Samsung JK Shin: we’re not happy with US market share, we like Android, but Windows Phone isn’t selling very well
And that seems to be part of the reason why this S 4 unveiling was held in no other place than New York. There is a lot more than Samsung’s U.S. market share that Shin speaks on, though. Starting from current day affairs like Samsung’s relationship with Google and Microsoft and ending with flexible displays, take a look at some of the answer Shin gave below, and for the full interview go right at the source below.
On U.S. market share:
High-end Galaxy will be the focus for the U.S.:
On Android and Google:
On Microsoft and Windows:
On expectations for the year:
On the future and flexible displays:
source: Wall Street Journal
1. xperiaDROID (Posts: 4666; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)
Does this means that Samsung will not release any Windows Phone 9 devices?
24. akki20892 (Posts: 2285; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)
yep......samsung you guys have to do hard work with new windows phone os....Specially nokia doing their job......!!! and windows phone sell well not like android phone but good for nokia and windows phone....!!!
25. xperiaDROID (Posts: 4666; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)
Yup, only Nokia can make a true Windows Phone.
26. GALAXY-STORM (Posts: 328; Member since: 13 Oct 2012)
samsung can make this platform succeed if they want, but tizen is in the back of their mind.
28. Timmehor (Posts: 599; Member since: 09 Mar 2013)
No they couldn't, Samsung like to have everything done for them, then they jump on board.
41. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 2957; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)
Galaxy-Storm...why don't you go home do some research?
Don't just follow Samsung blindly...you realise what S4 did to most of you? Like i told you...most of you are disappointed.
Now please don't cry and change the subject.
33. lyndon420 (Posts: 1469; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)
Now only if Nokia could sell some units.
37. Ruckus (Posts: 276; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)
Lyndon your not very bright are you? Nokia is selling Lumia's :)
38. lyndon420 (Posts: 1469; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)
Ruckus...I'm actually quite bright. I'm also very sarcastic....please tell me you are familiar with the term. I'll dumb it down for you - now if only Nokia could sell 'lots' of units.
48. Timmehor (Posts: 599; Member since: 09 Mar 2013)
Don't be all "superior" and boasting of intelligence, just lets keep to tech talk.
2. henrickrw (Posts: 402; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)
Good toughts from the boss. I'd rather keep loyal to sammy
30. therealestmc (Posts: 129; Member since: 23 Jul 2012)
I am American and I tend to want American companies to better than foreign ones.
45. chadrick0814 (Posts: 208; Member since: 23 Nov 2011)
Even if that american phone is made in China with parts supplied by the foreign company mentioned above?
54. Rydsmith (Posts: 88; Member since: 20 Jun 2012)
Then we need more Americans with higher education degrees and training which we are rather far from.
3. tiara6918 (Posts: 1200; Member since: 26 Apr 2012)
Windows devices aren't selling well just yet as android but I'm sure it will in the future. Just leave the windows devices to nokia and htc, ativ line-up isn't really successful at the moment.
10. Ruckus (Posts: 276; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)
The Ativ lineup in terms of hardware isn't competitive against the Lumia models at the moment. It reminds me of Samsungs early Android lineup that wasn't competitive to what HTC or Motorola had.
42. haseebzahid (Posts: 1764; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
i BET if wp takes off high in future Samsung will start copying Nokia on every part till they steal all their tech and ideas and name it their own. that is buissness model of Samsung
5. Ruckus (Posts: 276; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)
Actually many Windows based products are selling well like the Lumia's, PC's and the Surface tablet.
SAMSUNGS'S Windows products aren't selling well. Poor advertisement on Samsung behalf and really lack of good hardware to go with it.
Nokia is doing quite well.
15. rusticguy (Posts: 2810; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)
Selling well and still 3% share? PC's are excluded i think He meant handheld devices i guess.
43. haseebzahid (Posts: 1764; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
3% was wp7 in 2011 share noob wp8 gained to 6% in 3 months
55. Rydsmith (Posts: 88; Member since: 20 Jun 2012)
No....no it didn't.
Latest NPD numbers have WP at 2.5%.
16. snowgator (Posts: 3149; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
There is a ton of truth to the fact that Sammy doesn't need WP. But to look at the non-support and non-promotion of their line ups since the Mango release, and it is pretty much a non-issue that Samsung is all in on Android (duh) and excited for their next project in Tizen.
I understand it, and think it is a good stragety for them, but do not lump all WP into that group.
6. THE-ONE (banned) (Posts: 28; Member since: 14 Mar 2013)
Wp is not selling well?
Cause it has no apps and games.
This is good news.
11. Ruckus (Posts: 276; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)
Lack of games and apps? Does everyone prefer quantity over quality?? Sure Android has "more apps" but the apps Windows Phone has seem far superior.
13. faisolbauuz (Posts: 121; Member since: 05 Jan 2013)
"the apps windows phone has seem far superior"
Can you give me an example of superior wp apps ? :)
27. Ruckus (Posts: 276; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)
@faisolbauuz sure for one my wifes WP8 has a ringtone app that smothers Zedge (Androids best ringtone app). Oh yeah no ads either!!! As for games how about the Xbox live marketplace. The Google Play store is flooded with Apps that have viruses/spyware and not to mention those DAMN annoying ads!!
I updated GTunes on my Photon and now everytime I go to play a song I have to watch a 30 second ad.. Yay!!! (Sarcasm)
17. THE-ONE (banned) (Posts: 28; Member since: 14 Mar 2013)
You mean far to expensive than AppStore and playstore, rip off.
29. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 944; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)
Lumias are doing just fine with WP8, and it's Samsung that isn't selling well. That's cause their smartphones are crap, compared to what Nokia can offer ;o)
31. Ruckus (Posts: 276; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)
Listen I think in the interest of both sides, Samsung doesn't need Windows Phone and Windows Phone doesn't need Samsung.
Windows Phone does very well with Nokia.
Meanwhile Samsung does very well with Android.
I don't think Microsoft is sweating over Samsungs comments. Especially when the only Samsung WP8 device launched thus far in the U.S. isn't even comparable to the next model in terms of specs or raw power.
Pathetic try on Samsungs behalf. They obviously mustn't be trying too hard.
34. Ruckus (Posts: 276; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)
@THE-ONE I take it you haven't heard of "Blue Stacks"?? Otherwise you wouldn't day that ;)
52. donfem (Posts: 461; Member since: 30 Mar 2011)
And the "superiority" is not translated to sales? Great post. I wish the CEO of Nokia will take that "superiority" to the shareholders.
44. haseebzahid (Posts: 1764; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
yes i heard of mejestic Apps on android some like Android-RAT (malware) takes ur contacts emails and many personal stuff and uploads to unknown server
and bravo Google play store has removed all ad blocker apps now which means mistakenly taping those ads can lead u anywhere isnt that Closed minded move not letting ad blockers stay in store
well i guess it is now -100k apps for u now
7. vandroid (Posts: 232; Member since: 04 Sep 2012)
windows I lacking in features and customization no surprise there
18. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 5472; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
no its because theirs not enough demand for WINDOWS phone in the U.S. or certian markets. if their are more HANDSETS made for WINDOWS plus DEV needs better hardware too use the software but thats in my opinion
8. monomilkman (Posts: 25; Member since: 11 Feb 2013)
I hate the Windows mobile operating system (as I hate Windows 8), so no matter how good the phone, the operating system alone will keep me away
12. monomilkman (Posts: 25; Member since: 11 Feb 2013)
that being said, I do like Windows more than Apple...just not these new blocky versions of the OS
21. snowgator (Posts: 3149; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
WP is a "love it or hate it" type of UI, no doubt. But isn't it a little respectable that MS took this big of a risk, instead of just jumping on the grid-style OS's of Andriod and iOS?
Samsung has perfected it's Android offerings, and I respect them. However as a WP fan and Samsung WP owner, I would have LOVED to see them give WP the same effort and dedication of their Andriods, just once. Without the promotion and support, some great devices just sold poorly.
Oh well, sour grapes done. For WP there is Nokia, for Android there are options. The way it is right now.
23. rusticguy (Posts: 2810; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)
Since they have Tizen to support they will not be serious with Windows. It's all a question of demand and supply. 3% market share and so many players ...
9. rsiders (Posts: 193; Member since: 17 Nov 2011)
Well Mr.Shin if Samsung put just a little effort into marketing their Windows Phone offerings and actually tried to differentiate their software with exclusive apps like Nokia is doing, I'm sure Windows Phone would sell better cause the OS is definitely growing. They just want to put a phone out there and put no effort behind it. I don't want to live in an Android and Apple only world.
14. bojan (Posts: 188; Member since: 06 Oct 2012)
samsung in the US is not number 1 in the us market is because they make plastic phones and most people here don't like plastic or they want better desgin.
20. VZWuser76 (Posts: 896; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)
Gee, thanks for speaking for everyone here. Tell me, what do we think on politics and morality as well?
39. lyndon420 (Posts: 1469; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)
Wow. Phones to my knowledge have been made out of plastic since day 1, and now people are complaining about it? If all you people care about is glass and metal go buy a mirror with a metal frame - they all come with a free picture of your nose's - which you can't see past obviously.
19. MC1123 (Posts: 1219; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)
your windows phone ain't selling well coz the real king owns the market on it, NOKIA!!!
coz if nokia will sell android, i'm pretty sure you'll return on being 2nd rate trying hard copy cat!!!
but ofcourse, i dont want that to happen! i want nokia to continue meego with jolla on it!
32. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 944; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)
Samsung is claiming that Windows based products are no longer in demand? Perhaps it's time that Microsoft stopped giving Samsung the right to market Windows based laptops, as well as restricting PC driver support for Samsung printers, monitors, and cameras. The PC world can live without Samsung, or Android for that matter...
46. chadrick0814 (Posts: 208; Member since: 23 Nov 2011)
I I believe Microsoft uses Samsung in their PC commercials. Since OEMs pay Microsoft a licensing fee, I doubt it's in MS's best interest to stop supporting driver's.
35. lyndon420 (Posts: 1469; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)
Ask anyone to describe the sales of WP's, and you will probably hear one of two words (or both) - 'micro' & 'soft'.
36. Ruckus (Posts: 276; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)
They more than doubled their sales in a short tine. I even read in the U.K. they now have 17% of the market. It seems soft now but Android 2 years in seemed soft too.
Verizon had an interesting article on how Samsungs Android demand didn't impress and yet the iPhone keeps increasing sales on big red. Should we call Samsungs Sales "weak" or "not as good as we were expecting!"
Keep this in mind. Think of all the money Verizon poured into "DROID" and how until they did the Android OS was only known by very few people. If Verizon wanted to push Windows Phone to that degree, in a few years im sure Windows Phone would catapult to where iOS and Android are today.
40. lyndon420 (Posts: 1469; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)
Yes you are correct. But this is now, the world does go beyond the borders of the U.K. and Verizon isn't the only carrier. Think globally please. The sad part is that ms and Nokia have been making electronic devices longer than most others, yet they are so late in the smartphone game. I was about to get an HTC touch diamond (back in the day) which was running Windows Mobile, and then I read about this new mobile OS from Google that was going to be released and I was hooked...I knew what I needed. The iphone was already out, but I wanted nothing to do with it. FYI...if we lived in a world where there was only apple and microsoft - I'd chose windows (only because I despise apple).
47. b1acktiger (Posts: 185; Member since: 19 May 2012)
So, Samsung can't establish a newer OS and relying on the success made by other OEM's. We have seen Bada, Symbian, and Now Windows Phone has been ditched.
50. Odeira (Posts: 15; Member since: 29 Jun 2012)
... So if their logic is to be followed, instead of actually supporting Windows Phone, they'll be making it harder for Windows Phone because Samsung is poised to release ( and actually support(!) ) Tizen OS!
51. speckledapple (Posts: 877; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)
Samsung can leave WP to those who actually want to invest in something other than the big 2 ecosystem (Android and iOS). There are many others that will take up this banner I am sure. That said, this company really does have Tizen on the mind with Android front and center now. Eventually, they will want to control the OS as well and that will bring about Tizen which as they say will fork or push Android. Oh its going to get interesting.
56. Twisted247 (Posts: 193; Member since: 12 Oct 2012)
If you want more U.S. market share quit giving us the weaker version of the device in the s series DUMB ASS.