Google granted a new lockscreen patent
This is an important distinction, because obviously, the more patterns someone adds means a higher likelihood that at least one of the gestures could be copied. But, with the limitations, all data outside of the specific app would be safe. It's a cool idea, and definitely one we'd like to see hit phones soon.
source: 9 to 5 Mac
4. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
this is probably a direct responce to Apple getting the slide unlock patent.
8. snowgator (Posts: 3414; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
Remind me.... was Apple's patent for the actual slide to unlock, or for the graphic for the slide to unlock? I thought it was just the graphic.
21. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
ummm.. not completely sure at the moment. i think it was for a "graphic slide unlock" or something.. it was pretty vague so it could stretch to anything, that much i remember.
34. quakan (Posts: 1293; Member since: 02 Mar 2011)
I thought it was for the actual slide to unlock not the graphic, if i remember correctly
5. Q8cavalry (Posts: 14; Member since: 03 Nov 2011)
Apple think they are the only one innovate while Samsung and Google do it every day but they don't patent them like Apple.
Apple are losers and arrogant hopefully lawsuits smash them down
33. ph00ny (Posts: 791; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Samsung actually has a huge patent portfolio but they don't really go after others as much as apple does.
6. xiobnb (Posts: 74; Member since: 11 Nov 2011)
i think google should just put a team to work for applying all kind of patents ... since you never know thatsomething you invented might ended up patent by someones else...
7. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
That is the purpose of patents -- to invent, to create as opposed to steal.
9. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
I remember the outcry when Apple was granted the slide to unlock patent. Just today I was told that Apple should not be able to patent gestures. Let's see if this gets the same outrage. I'm looking for comments such as
Shame on you google
Patent system is ridiculous
And other such rage just like Apple got.
10. snowgator (Posts: 3414; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
Which is why I asked for the clarification on Apple's gesture on comment #8. If Apple's patent was simply to protect it's graphic to slide to unlock as I remember it, than it isn't the same kind of patent as this. If I remember it wrong and the patent was the ACTUAL gesture, than yes this is the same type.
Now this is a unique system which allows the user to program in their own movements, so it is slightly different. Not to mention I remember a slide to unlock device before Apple's iPhone, just without the graphic. However my first response was the same as yours, Taco: Let's be consistent, here. If they are similar, do not bash one without holding the other to the same standard.
12. protozeloz (Posts: 5387; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
The problem with most apple patents its how vague their patent is making anything (including sense lockscreen) something that might fall victims to a patent. This patent is quite dumb but I guess Google and the manufacturers are just getting tired of having their ideas leeched away by certain companies while they are forbidden to do the same
23. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
I have a patent and I recall the patent examiner challenging my patent application. It was a tough period for me. Trust me when I say the patent process works, it's not perfect, but it works.
The Apple and Google patents support the notion to invent, to create, to try something new. These patents aren't dumb since these inventions allow a method to unlock a device. Image using this technology instead of a physical key to open your house. These have broad applications.
28. protozeloz (Posts: 5387; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
The problem I see whit patents is how they become everything but the idea of making things better for everyone, Specially software patents.
a patent comes to mind when a person finds a solution to a problem two persons can find two solutions for the same problem but only one becomes viable for the most eg slide to unlock these solutions make our live easy but also add new questions like (is is faster than having a button? is it comfortable when you need to get to that app as quick as possible?) other companies tackles the problems your idea creates using such a a basis if you use your idea to tackle those who have found solutions to the problems your idea brought then things aren't working as they should be. that is my problem.
and just for curiosity what kind of patent you have?
13. protozeloz (Posts: 5387; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
Also you already said we are a bunch of Hippocratic persons, so why would it matter anymore? If you hate so much that people here hate on apple then go get your news from a place they don't and stop complaining. Like you could talk double standard
22. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
Hippocratic refers to an oath by doctors and medical persons.
24. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)
I said its ridiculous they patent things relating to multi touch gestures, in other words the method by which we interact with our phones. Beyond the method that we use to interact, what the phone DOES with those interactions could be legimately patented in my opinion.
Regardless, I doubt you will see Google using their patents to try and ban products because they have no reason to fear competition at this point.
Who knows though, maybe I'll eat my words.
For instance, it would be ridiculous to patent using a key to start a car, but the first company to make individual keys for each individual in your family and the car adjusts mirrors/seats/radio favorites based on the person... that could be a different story.
Maybe that's a weak analogy but I thought it worked...
30. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
This is the same as slide to unlock. A specific gesture to launch an app.
It's the same thing and for you it's ok when google does it.
31. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)
Slide to unlock unlocks the phone what do you mean "launch an app".
Its a touch screen phone taco how else do I unlock it?
"OK, here's your new Android phone. In order to unlock it just click your heels three times and say "I wish I could touch the screen" three times."
Shut up taco.
11. Penny (Posts: 1476; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)
I think Apple's slide-to-unlock patent was for the motion, not the graphic.
Either way, not sure how I feel about this patent. I do think that the concept of a pattern unlock is worthy of a patent, if the technical process is adequately detailed (read: explains how the process works with enough specifics), but isn't Microsoft already using something similar in Windows 8 with the pattern unlock on pictures?
14. snowgator (Posts: 3414; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
"Either way, not sure how I feel about this patent. I do think that the concept of a pattern unlock is worthy of a patent, if the technical process is adequately detailed"
Well said, Penny. Exactly what I was fumbling around trying to form the thought of. I am sick of the lawsuits associated with patents, but totally respect the right of companies to protect UNIQUE tech. The problem is too much is based on general tech built off of existing, established tech. That is what is going to end up killing Mobile advancement. Not sure I like this patent either.
I am really am enjoying your posts, by the way. Glad you have joined PA.
15. protozeloz (Posts: 5387; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
As I've said software patents are dumb to begin with because in most cases just limits the way the users use a device. And cuts on innovation, but I guess everything is going down to the drain there days.
An example is the lockscreen on the iPhone. It had only one use unlocking the device making the accidental unlock nearly impossible and with this removing the unlock button. With this an issue came. Fast access to certain stuff was rather hard, so companies came with ideas that the lockscreen should not only be used to unlock a device but to deliver certain information like messages toogle modes and app shortcuts. That help the users not only unlock their devices but access information faster and it simply revolutionized how a lockscreen should be. Having the slide to Unlocks basic out of anyone else's hand would have just made the lockscreen we have today less likely to exist
17. sennarose88 (Posts: 54; Member since: 18 Jun 2009)
I think this is an old feature... Samsung already had it since 2008 if I'm not wrong.
18. protozeloz (Posts: 5387; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
Probably. The basic idea is using a gesture to go directly to an app instead of unlocking the phone.
The idea comes handy when you think of NFC where you could have a password that activates NFC payments from the lockscreen without compromising the info with a lockscreen shortcut
19. ivanko34 (Posts: 617; Member since: 04 Sep 2011)
Something apple could not steal and patent now
20. protozeloz (Posts: 5387; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
Just noticed the source days 9 to 5 mac should not be 9 to 5 Google?
25. gallitoking (Posts: 4704; Member since: 17 May 2011)
Wow people around here want Apple to be more like Android but is Android tbat is becoming more like Apple..... looks like team Apple will emerge victorious...
36. xiobnb (Posts: 74; Member since: 11 Nov 2011)
apple is becoming like android... the notification system maybe someday even the widgets!!! then apple would be all magical again
27. roscuthiii (Posts: 1949; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)
UGH!!! How in the hell did they get my slide-to-unlock pattern?! Damned internet spying!
Could always just go with the PIN combo on my luggage I guess, 1-2-3-4-5...
29. adilanis (Posts: 1; Member since: 19 Nov 2011)
Looks like Google is trying to beat iPhone.
32. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
So, google should create a 'Burp to unlock' option...and patent that....
37. redmd (Posts: 1067; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
what about double tap to unlock? will someone patent it?
39. jdrevolution (Posts: 87; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)
Soon we'll have eye scanners using the front facing camera!!