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First HTC UltraPixel Camera samples surface

First HTC UltraPixel Camera samples surface
The HTC UltraPixel Camera is the wonderous big pixel technology that might save the day for HTC and bring us better quality images on smartphones, and now we get to see the first UltraPixel camera samples.

First, though, let’s mention that UltraPixel is what HTC calls the 2-micrometer-pixel sensor on its brand new One handset. For the first time it’s not about the megapixel count (technically, you have a 4-megapixel backside-illuminated sensor), it is about the megapixel quality. Having a much larger pixel size along with a larger aperture (f/2.0), the sensor captures significantly more light. Actually, it is nearly twice as much as the common f/2.8 8-megapixel smartphone camera - impressive.

At the same time, a 4-megapixel camera with great quality shots means those images take up less space.

Add to that 2-axis optical image stabilization, and you get a very solid argument in HTC One’s favor. So with no further ado, here are the actual camera samples posted by HTC, check them out right below along with some graphical explanations on the new UltraPixel camera.

source: HTC

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posted on 19 Feb 2013, 11:09 8

1. darkskoliro (Posts: 995; Member since: 07 May 2012)


So the pixels are literally bigger? PA you should do an in depth review on the ultra pixel segment! :)

posted on 19 Feb 2013, 13:20 1

16. raunak (Posts: 505; Member since: 12 Oct 2011)


yep. Phones like 808, iphone 5 and lumia 920 have 1.1 microns (1.1 x 10^-6 maters) whereas this phone has 2 microns.
If we assume 1 micron as base parameter, then this phone has 8, ip5 1.1 x 8 = 8.8, 920 has 1.1 x 8.7 = 9.57 and 808 has around 45. So details, if my theory is right, will be less than other phones.
Ofcourse my theory is just a wild guess and can turn out to be completely wrong.

posted on 19 Feb 2013, 13:35

17. raunak (Posts: 505; Member since: 12 Oct 2011)


i think the number we are getting by multiplying refers to the size of the sensor. You know, no. of pixel x individual pixel size. So it seems to me that htc didnt increase the sensor size, they just decreased the no. of pixels. If sensor area remains same, then the more the pixels, the lesser the size of one pixel and vice versa.

posted on 19 Feb 2013, 13:47

19. raunak (Posts: 505; Member since: 12 Oct 2011)


oh sorry turns out its the xperia z that has 1.1 microns. all the other phones i mentioned have 1.4. it might explain why xperia's 13 mp is just as good as other 8mp phones.
1.1 x 13 = 14.3
1.4 x 8 = 11.2

posted on 19 Feb 2013, 20:05

28. Hunt3rj2 (Posts: 396; Member since: 11 Nov 2011)


That's not really a valid way to go about it. It's a 1.21 square micron pixel on the Xperia Z, 1.96 square micron for the 8MP sensors, and 4 square micron for the HTC One.

So Xperia Z has total area of 15.73, 8MP has 15.68, and HTC One has 16.

posted on 10 Mar 2013, 20:04

35. sn8jg (Posts: 4; Member since: 10 Mar 2013)


los pixels del htc son grandes comparados con moviles como el lumia 920, el galaxy s3, el iphone 5... pero no tienen nada que ver con el tamaño del nokia 808 en resoluciones de 8mpx y ni mucho menos en 5 megapixels.
- Lumia 920,galaxy s3, iphone5 pixels= 1.4micrones
- Nokia 808 pixels in 8megapixel mode = 3,17 micrones
in 5megapixel mode = 4,01 micrones
in 3megapixel mode = 4,67 micrones
por lo que en una resolucion mas grande como son 8 y 5 megapixels el nokia 808 usa pixels de hasta el doble de tamaño que el htc one por lo que avance en ese aspecto si que han hecho pero ya hay moviles que sacan fotos con pixels bastante mas grandes.

posted on 19 Feb 2013, 11:13

2. jsdechavez (Posts: 708; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)


And compare it with the phone cameras with big pixels such as the 808/N8 and the iPhone/S3..

posted on 19 Feb 2013, 11:15 7

3. _Bone_ (Posts: 2137; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)


I'm not saying anything until I see full size comparison with other devices, but I'm rooting for spectacular abilities. I must say however that the marketing of large or "ultra" pixels is a bit of a bull considering the sensor itself is not bigger than it's rivals', it just captures 4 million inputs over 8 or 13. Whether that will result in pixel sharp shots outperforming rivals remains to be seen.

posted on 19 Feb 2013, 11:52 3

8. RiseAgainst94 (Posts: 281; Member since: 03 Mar 2012)


Only to find out that those pictures are full size. lol. 4mp...can't get over it.

posted on 19 Feb 2013, 20:08

30. Hunt3rj2 (Posts: 396; Member since: 11 Nov 2011)


Those pictures are around 300x200 pixels.

This is basically an insanely good 5 MP camera with almost zero noise and incredibly sharp detail.

posted on 19 Feb 2013, 12:58 1

15. Feanor (Posts: 317; Member since: 20 Jun 2012)


I think it's a marketing suicide. And let's face it.... if you want to compare with the competition which sports 8 or 13 MPx, you will have to scale their pictures down to 4 MPx res. where some disadvantages like blurry edges are not visible anymore. Many people complain about such problems when the pictures are scaled to the max. If you compare them to a 4MPx camera, I think the competitors will look nicely sharp too.

posted on 19 Feb 2013, 20:06

29. Hunt3rj2 (Posts: 396; Member since: 11 Nov 2011)


The pixel is literally twice as big as the a pixel from an 8 MP sensor, and it's 3.3 times bigger than an Xperia Z sensor.

That's a huge amount of extra light per pixel.

posted on 19 Feb 2013, 11:22 14

4. bragzter (Posts: 48; Member since: 21 Feb 2012)


Not impressed. It's an over hyped marketing tactic. That sensor, no matter how much the boast, will not outperform and 8 or 13 mp, and wouldn't come any where close to the 808 PureView's class leading 41. Am sorry HTC, you tried to change the game, but you did poorly. MWC is only a few days away, and Nokia is going to bring something that will blow this away.

posted on 19 Feb 2013, 11:48 5

7. raunak (Posts: 505; Member since: 12 Oct 2011)


This is exactly what I was thinking. They said the same thing about galaxy nexus. That megapixels don't matter and all.
The pixel size is 2 microns. Other phones like 808, 920, iPhone 5 have 1.1 microns. So from what I understand, it loosely translates a bit less than 8 mp's if you take in account the bigger pixel size.
Mark my words, the details are going to be less than 8mp phones let alone 13 mp phones.

posted on 19 Feb 2013, 11:55 1

9. raunak (Posts: 505; Member since: 12 Oct 2011)


Edited:
This is exactly what I was thinking. They said the same thing about galaxy nexus. That megapixels don't matter and all. the next thing you know, it had the same 5mp quality that you'd expect from 2010 phones.
The pixel size is 2 microns. Other phones like 808, 920, iPhone 5 have 1.1 microns. So from what I understand, it loosely translates a bit less than 8 mp's if you take in account the bigger pixel size.
Mark my words, the details are going to be less than 8mp phones let alone 13 mp. I honestly couldn't care less. Waiting for Nokia's announcement.

posted on 19 Feb 2013, 14:21 2

20. OptimusOne (Posts: 694; Member since: 22 May 2012)


megapixels don't matter!!!!!!!!!

the 808, even though the camera is 38 mp, the shots it takes are actually only 5 mp!!!!!

and, are you really going to differentiate between 4 mp and 8 mp? I always scale my photos down to 3.2 mp, even if I take them on a 8 mp camera, and I don't see the difference between and 8 mp one and a 3.2 mp one.
don't fall for the stupid ten quadrillion megapixels marketting trick

regardless of what you think, this is true innovation. All those stupid samsung and apple gimmicks are not.(s-pen is) smartstay, toggles in notification bar, another row of icons, a battery meter in the percentage, a water droplet lockscreen, slide to unlock, THOSE AREN'T INNOVATION.

the ultrapixel camera is true innovation. No android phone before ever had ultrapixels.
every feature that samsung boasts aren't all new, s-bean came fromandroid beam, nofication toggles and status bar battery came from custom rom, smartstay came from custom rom.

posted on 19 Feb 2013, 14:47 5

21. raunak (Posts: 505; Member since: 12 Oct 2011)


trust me, megapixels matter, no matter what htc wants you to believe. mp has always been an important property of a camera.
if you are increasing mp by decreasing pixel size, then megapixels dont matter.

however if you're keeping the pixel size same (or increasing it) AND increasing the mp count then it does matter. (in my knowledge, the only way to do these two things simultaneously is to increase sensor size). which is what nokia did with 808.

posted on 19 Feb 2013, 18:40

27. cretinick (Posts: 147; Member since: 25 Jan 2011)


But the 808 (and I think the N8 too) is the only one who have a bigger sensor. All other shrank the photosites to put more Megapixels in the same size sensor (1/3 inch).

I'm not saying that the HTC One is all that they say. But, In theory, it can take very nice photos (but still is a Cellphone Camera!).

It will not be better than the 808! But IF it is better then the SIII, Xperia Z, and particularly then the iPhone 5, I don't bother to have "only" 4 MP pictures (2688×1520 for crying out loud!)....

Let's wait for the Review and camera comparisons!

posted on 19 Feb 2013, 14:56

22. raunak (Posts: 505; Member since: 12 Oct 2011)


they kept the pixel size at 1.4 microns and increased the MPs. the result was that 808 could deliver ip5 quality shots AT 38MP. think about that. delivering ip5 quality at 5 times its size. and when you shrink those images they become 5 or 8 mp but details are awesome and noise levels are down.

posted on 20 Feb 2013, 09:28

34. robcar (Posts: 78; Member since: 18 Jan 2011)


How can you complain about this?

You do not know how the camera behaves so you do not have to come with your fanboy comment.

posted on 19 Feb 2013, 11:42 1

5. R-vjn (Posts: 165; Member since: 07 Jan 2013)


I've always preffered higher quality to megapixel count..! If the 4MP camera is gonna be as good as the pics shown by HTC, I'm happy.
One thing, you will have a pain cropping the image..!

posted on 19 Feb 2013, 11:45 3

6. tusshharish (Posts: 342; Member since: 23 Oct 2012)


i still love nokia in imaging ..........just wait for another pureview lumia's anouncement...

posted on 19 Feb 2013, 11:56

10. ahmed_ali_yossef2010 (Posts: 159; Member since: 26 Jul 2012)


i think the aperture is so small it should have been bigger like 2.2 because this will bring a very wide field of view

posted on 19 Feb 2013, 12:00

11. rizevnarastek (Posts: 332; Member since: 06 Sep 2012)


f2.2 is smaller compared to f2.0;)

posted on 19 Feb 2013, 12:16

13. ahmed_ali_yossef2010 (Posts: 159; Member since: 26 Jul 2012)


yup that's right i made a horrible mistake but i see in all pictures that the field is so wide and the faces are far I think you under stand what i am saying

posted on 19 Feb 2013, 12:04

12. muhsen (Posts: 265; Member since: 07 Jun 2012)


what's impressive in " nearly twice as much as the common f/2.8 8-megapixel smartphone camera" where nokia's 808 superpixilized photos packs 5 times more information than normal 8 mp photos ??! and oh the 808 is one year old

posted on 19 Feb 2013, 12:17

14. lallolu (Posts: 245; Member since: 18 Sep 2012)


How does the picture fare when image is zoomed? Does the low pixel count not affect picture quality when zoomed?

posted on 19 Feb 2013, 13:38 2

18. aokde (Posts: 186; Member since: 09 Jul 2012)


what the hell! do you call those pictures quality pictures? my fathers old nokia n73 with its 3.2MP shooter can take sharper photos than those!
for a moment i thought htc was going to change the game, i guess i was wrong.

posted on 19 Feb 2013, 20:10

31. Hunt3rj2 (Posts: 396; Member since: 11 Nov 2011)


Those are 300x200 reduced images. Stop judging image quality from a 300x200 image.

posted on 19 Feb 2013, 16:35 1

23. -box- (Posts: 3858; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


I, too, am looking forward to Nokia announcing a phone that blows this out of the water... something along the lines of "Oh, well, that's nice HTC, good option for Androiders. Now for the best overall phone camera, let us introduce the Lumia ### PureView!"

posted on 19 Feb 2013, 17:29

24. lansky1213 (Posts: 11; Member since: 31 Jan 2013)


Lumia preview is on the way. HTC One Looks like a premium device though.

posted on 19 Feb 2013, 18:05

25. Edmund (Posts: 656; Member since: 13 Jul 2012)


I generally like HTC's handsets, but I'm not convinced the camera on this will be anywhere near as good as Nokia's next flagship camera phone. Contrary to popular belief, I doubt that the Lumia 1000 will feature an 808 style 41 megapixel sensor. Nonetheless, I do think it will employ the same "Foveon" technology that many tech writers are incorrectly reporting as being present on the HTC one.

posted on 19 Feb 2013, 18:35

26. Edmund (Posts: 656; Member since: 13 Jul 2012)


You need sensor pixels of around 5-6 microns in size to make a notable difference in the amount of noise that will be present in a photo. I hate to burst your bubble, but this phone will produce the same crappy pic's as previous generation htc handsets.

posted on 19 Feb 2013, 20:36 1

32. ChiX017 (Posts: 308; Member since: 09 Nov 2011)


the Leading competition is obviously not Lumia 920, because the low light photos suck

posted on 20 Feb 2013, 02:14

33. jackhammeR (Posts: 1548; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)


htc doesn't use quality optics so = crap
low lights photos and videos without ois = crap
zooming = crap
image chip 2 = the first one was a marketing babbling and a crap

posted on 10 Mar 2013, 20:11

36. sn8jg (Posts: 4; Member since: 10 Mar 2013)


the bigger the pixel is, the more information takes the sensor (each pixel has more photodiods to take information) to make each pixel.
..................
Lumia 920,galaxy s3, iphone5 pixels= 1.4microns
..................
Htc one pixels = 2 microns
..................
Nokia 808 pixels in 8megapixel mode = 3,17 microns
in 5megapixel mode = 4,01 microns
in 3megapixel mode = 4,67 microns
..................
The 808 pictures have more resolution and a lot bigger pixels and..... Carl Zeiss lens!!!!
and to take low light pictures it can be 2.7 secs taking each picture

posted on 08 Apr 2013, 08:34

37. m4dg33k (Posts: 1; Member since: 08 Apr 2013)


improving the optics.. a promising step in the right direction for sure. It was always disappointing to get those massive size photos of blurry darkness..

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