Mozilla will officially end support for Firefox OS in May
2. maximumpayne (Posts: 13; Member since: 13 Jan 2012)
I don't know what were they thinking. Even Microsoft with all their effort are struggling and Mozilla wanted to create mobile os like is a some small app ?
13. GreekGeek (Posts: 1276; Member since: 22 Mar 2014)
Same thing will happen to TIZEN (or even worse)
If you can't offer anything ground breaking or something new, you'll likely gonna fail
19. elitewolverine (Posts: 5111; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
Not about ground breaking, its simply getting into the carrier space. Why would a carrier want to carry the phone, then advertise the phone?
3. Tanujtiwari (Posts: 77; Member since: 18 Mar 2015)
Phonearena, it's not ios and Android duopoly. It's still a monopoly. Android has had a major share for Years. Agreed?
4. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 11849; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
It's a duopoly. Don't kid yourself thinking otherwise. The only reason Android has such a huge share is because the overabundance of cheap Android phones and cheap Android tablets that gullible users fall for.
Both iOS and Android are dominant. Firefox should stick to browsers and leave the OS doing for the big boys. Even Windows is feeling some effect and Blackberry just isn't relevant at all.
6. nepalisherpa (Posts: 211; Member since: 17 Jul 2015)
One thing I would like to add to that is, the reason for Android's popularity is affordable handsets in 3rd world countries.
7. DoggyDangerous (Posts: 776; Member since: 28 Aug 2015)
When microsoft's turn will come? I am waiting to hear that finally microsoft quit mobile and tablet market. I hope it will happen quickly.
8. Podrick (Posts: 505; Member since: 19 Aug 2015)
Not happening Doggy. Surface phone will come to save Microsoft's arse! I hope so.
15. DoggyDangerous (Posts: 776; Member since: 28 Aug 2015)
I hope it will fail badly and will push microsoft to release its fanboys from a misery
16. shahrooz (Posts: 712; Member since: 17 Sep 2013)
too much fanboyism, you are stepping into idiocy
23. DoggyDangerous (Posts: 776; Member since: 28 Aug 2015)
too much fanboyism? your statement sound very strange to me. I am showing my hate towards microsoft. If it is called fanboyism, then I am a very big fan of microsoft.
17. snowgator (Posts: 3558; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
I think that is a half-legit half-silly statement, DoggyDangerous (love the screen name and the avatar, by the way!!).
As a user and a huge fan of Windows Phone from the WP7 Mango days until now, I am at a loss for how MS rebounds from their horror story of 2015. Their market-share, while small, was tending up and had us users of it's OS at ease until their complete inactivity last year gutted them. Sitting at 1-2% is just unsustainable. I am on pins and needles my favorite OS just received it's death blow with the crap release of W10 for mobile and the sub-par devices. It is totally a legit conversation to wonder if MS's next fiscal year slices off that mobile portion, or if a "do-or-die" ultimatum is coming.
But tablets??? MS isn't going anywhere there. They have had a ton of success and profit gains there. Silly to question their dedication to that market.
20. elitewolverine (Posts: 5111; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
subpar devices? I am waiting for a single Android device to have all the features of the 950xl. You can find an Android that has this or that...but not as a single device and you will compromised on one thing or another. The closest is Note series. (that I can get in the states easily)
Using w10 daily along side android and ios as part of my job, it is hardly a crap release. I could go on and on about 'releases' bricking stuff from an OS but no one hung them. Talking about ios9 to the point they had a roll back to 8...as an OFFICIAL release.
24. snowgator (Posts: 3558; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
Yes- subpar. I am extremely glad you are happy with it- but I drove from Danville IL to Indianapolis IN recently and made a special trip just to see the 950 and 950XL at the MS store here, fully prepared to roll the dice and buy one outright. What I got was a loose, not very solid device that flexed and screamed "half-effort" at me. The screens were great, but so are most devices in this price range. The camera is fine, but it's specs, armature, so on so forth are not any better the most Android. Lumia used to set the standard with cameras. Most of the reviews I have read are panning these devices for so-so battery life and a ton of software problems.
I dislike Google as a company, and I think iOS is dull and way overpriced. But W10 mobile devices were not ready for prime time DESPITE the inactivity of MS to release Hero devices last year and having nearly 18 months from the Icon getting kicked out.
That is on them. And it could spell the death knell for the OS I prefer if developers do not adapt to universal apps to take advantage of Windows 10 reach in tablets and PCs.
25. elitewolverine (Posts: 5111; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
"reviews" Dear god if I bought a device on reviews I wouldn't be able to buy a single one.
Like I said I work in the carrier space, I get to handle the note 5's that simply no longer have the screen working. The google update that bricked calling and sms for MONTHS (yes call that software problems to the MAX), see iPhone 6 calls for weeks about software glitches that took 5 updates or more to finally iron out. Seriously the list goes on.
Lets go about your list shall we?
Screen: again it is as good as it gets, there is nothing subpar about its brightness nor pixel density, you will need a flagship from another OEM to match it.
Camera: Android has finally caught up, and yet, nothing they do can beat my 1520...so if that experience is replicated and tweaked on new hardware in the 950xl and 950...then they have lost nothing here. (should say nothing as I can surely nitpick like longer exposure etc)
Software: I could fill volumes of 'proper' OS releases that screwed people over. Just ask Nexus owners. I loved getting Nexus 5 or 6 calls when the new 4.4 or 5.x came out and they had issues with camera, battery, freezing, slow encryption default and more. I rather have sms crash every so often, then my device not even take a picture.
Devs will develop universal apps whether there is a mobile OS or not, because all signs hint that the universal app code will not go away, it is not the default coding base for anything you try to code. You basically have to go out of your way to code differently now. Though this is me seeing forward, I know there are die hards that still code with crap code at starbucks and release the battery hogging crap they call an 'app'.
5. nepalisherpa (Posts: 211; Member since: 17 Jul 2015)
Android has more share but users have a choice between Android and iOS, and that is why it is a "duopoly". By definition, monopoly means "the exclusive possession or control of the supply or trade in a commodity or service" which is not the case here.
9. oozz009 (Posts: 517; Member since: 22 Jun 2015)
That's just sad. I always find it exciting to see new OS's being created. I truly hope that a company ends up buying the OS and further develop it for their own phones (that would be a fit for the struggling Sony Xperia line!).
10. monoke (Posts: 282; Member since: 14 Mar 2015)
Agree. I have used both ios and android but was hoping my next handset was something different and refreshing. There's no product differentiation anymore especially among android. Choice is becoming deader by the minute and it sucks.
14. kartik.07 (Posts: 13; Member since: 04 May 2015)
And some people are trying to reduce already limited no. Of choices by asking companies like samsung to not add there skin on top and make every phone ui look like stock.
11. shinnsd (Posts: 12; Member since: 26 May 2015)
It is funny that there are some people always claiming that more competition is good under every artical related to small OS. Let's just face it, competition is only good when the new player is really strong and can really compete. It is not like five years ago when both iOS and Android were still having lots of issues and new players could use the chance to catch up. Nowadays you just couldn't hope people to trade their convince to support your development. People will not use your OS unless they have a acceptable ecosystem. And in order to build a good ecosystem, you need a good amount of investment. which is impossible for small companies to afford. A few years ago, smart phone platform still had a Chicken-or-egg issue. If your OS was really good, people would try your OS, then you can use your userbase to attract developers. However, it is no longer the case now. You don't have enough users that are willing to switch to a lack-of-apps OS. The only way you can make it is to pay developers out of your own pocket and have them develop apps for you. Even Microsoft is still struggling, I don't see how small companies can make it.
21. elitewolverine (Posts: 5111; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
Lack of apps is only a small pain point. It has been shown that most android devices don't install more than what 7-12 apps out of the 1.5million with games being the big one.
What matters is, ads and salesman. I will say it time and time again, I have yet to walk into a single store where the agent wasn't getting a kickback from Samsung/htc/apple...to push their devices. They are not interested in fitting a phone for you...they are interested in their bonus.
Case in point. Last week, user brought in a s2, that had 2 apps, 2 apps that were found on all 3 ecosystems. The user didn't even know what android was. User didn't want to spend a lot of money, instead of directing them to the 640 at 70 bucks, they directed them to a G4 for 400, or grand prime for 200. I stepped in as a customer, because the user was sad that they had to spend that much. About 10mins later they walked out with a 640. I could have showed them the LG Leon...but that so far has been a mess for us here.
22. shinnsd (Posts: 12; Member since: 26 May 2015)
The thing is, these users who don't use a lot of different apps and who will not buy new phones so frequnetly, will not contrinute much to the new OS. By comtribution, I mean sales volume. Firefox OS was originally targeting low end market, and it turned out that its price was not that competitive comparing with low enf Android devices. What's even worse is, they couldn't pish their device through the “free with contract signed” channel because carriers don't even want to develop those bloatwares for the OS. And majority of people who didn't know a lot about phones got their pgones through contract back then.
And the Lack-Of-Apps I was talkong about was the lack of popular apps. And web apps just xouldn't deliver even an acceptable experience
26. elitewolverine (Posts: 5111; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
I agree, that the single biggest problem is carriers, nothing more, and the sales person.
While apps play a huge role...in the end, carrier sales people are the worst at fitting a device to the customer.
18. Inotamira (Posts: 173; Member since: 06 Feb 2016)
Did anyone ever actually own any of these devices? It's like the "Facebook Phone" everyone seemed to just collectively roll their eyes and forget about it almost as soon as it was announced. Hell, sometimes I forget that Microsoft has it's own phone line sometimes...love their iPhone and Android apps, but their system is a joke on mobile devices.