High quality Verizon Nokia Lumia 929 images leak along with specs
1. Gemmol (Posts: 792; Member since: 09 Nov 2011)
wish I could have this as a back up to the 1520
2. terabyteRouser (Posts: 457; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
would like to know when this phone will be released
3. cripton805 (Posts: 1444; Member since: 18 Mar 2012)
If windows is so stable on most of their phones, whats the point of upgrading to a "better" Nokia? Almost all of the Nokias look the same to me and seem to have just about the same features.
4. Beijendorf (Posts: 340; Member since: 27 Aug 2013)
What is the point of any smartphone upgrade if the phone you have still works?
The short answer is "Incremental technology improvements".
With each generation of smartphones, all components gets slight improvements, whether its the camera, display, processor, memory capacity, compatability or a million other things. Nobody is forcing you to upgrade, and Nokia phones just like Apple phones have exceptional build-quality and can last for a long time if you're not in the technology spearhead race.
Why you choose to aim your criticism at Nokia instead of the smartphone industry in general is a mystery to me.
9. cripton805 (Posts: 1444; Member since: 18 Mar 2012)
Incremental? The technology is there and they could add a ton more features. Too bad Windows doesn't support the top of the line hardware available. It's not even about the hardware, all Windows has to do is implement more features into it's OS instead of giving it's consumers the same experience on their top tier phones than some of their low end phones or even old phones. What's wrong with expecting more, when there should be more? After your done with the hype of the camera and better processor and some more ram, you're left with the same phone because it's offering nothing more to the table. Whats the point of the better processor or ram right now? If the OS doesnt even need it. Maybe by the time 2 other Lumias come out 1-2 years from now.
18. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3576; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
You obviously don't know what WP has to offer as far as features go.. You're just repeating the same old BS that the other haters say without any prior experience using the OS.. Who says that WP is lacking features, Android fans who hate WP, and have never used one before? You better get a more reliable source.
25. cripton805 (Posts: 1444; Member since: 18 Mar 2012)
I have experienced all the most recent OS. IOS7, WP8, and Jellybean.
I guess you don't like innovation. If Android becomes a monopoly, they will stop innovating. Android has made the most radical changes for the better. Just to think that I was using Froyo in 2011 because they have had to compete with the iPhone. But now, they are becoming way too strong much too quickly without any real competition. Id like to see someone else to compete with google to continue to see radical changes in innovation. I guess fanboys will never understand. I strongly believe Microsoft will fight back stronger than ever with a much much better flagship now that they aquired Nokia. BUT will Windows be enough now that Android is going to go head on toward the low end market too?
32. 9thWonderful (Posts: 232; Member since: 24 Jan 2013)
"any real competition" is an opinion-based statement but you speak as if its factual. talking about Android as this juggernaut OS is opinion-based as well. if the ppl that ACTUALLY design this technology that we are so addicted to thought like you...i think technology as a whole would be in trouble. without choices there is no innovation b/c believe it or not...every good thing about your OS of choice borrows from something that was already done by another.
27. Gemmol (Posts: 792; Member since: 09 Nov 2011)
lol curious to know what is missing from the top of the line hardware.....or you just trolling......s800 is in it just like Note 3, it use a bigger battery then other tablet phones....camera is on another level, Nokia Build Quality.....display is better then other tablet phones.....come on man....you must of had a bad day so you just wanted to troll to get your anger out.....Windows features I cannot say about I do not own one, I only own a Note, but I promise myself a few years ago once Microsoft phone have same chips as top droid/iphone, I would switch and give it a try........before you say or someone else say I wont like Windows, remember I do not edit or do anything extra to my note I keep it the same way as I get it out of the box and no I do not use the pen.....so if windows can give me same out of the box functions I will be good.....
28. cripton805 (Posts: 1444; Member since: 18 Mar 2012)
So you're saying that this phone is comparable to the Note 3's hardware? Really... Anyhow, if you didnt catch my drift, software that can utilize the hardware. If you cant understand that, then there is nothing I can do for you.
33. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 949; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)
Android certaily does offer something that WP8 OS is lacking: master-key trojan backdoors, as well as other security flaws that are inherent in the OS code itself. This should really come as no surprise, since Android is based upon the "open garden" concept. It basically means poor security, and Android is heavily plagued by viri and spyware, the likes of which do not exist for WP8 OS. Now that Blackberry/RIMM is virtually dead, business will have to turn to Microsoft/Nokia for their mobile device needs...
As for offering better hardware, why not? Games and apps that incorporate rich multimedia related features can benefit from having greater RAM, as well as more processing power. However, WP8 OS itself runs fine on lesser machines like the Lumia 520/521. Android obviously does have greater customization options, and a wider selection of apps, but it will never be secure. Every platform has it's vices and virtues.
34. cripton805 (Posts: 1444; Member since: 18 Mar 2012)
Obviously you don't know what you're talking about based on your comment. There is a setting on the phones themselves that don't allow you to download any apps from unknown sources.You must uncheck this option under settings if you want to allow this option. If you download apps from third party websites or programs that is not Googles fault. There was an article about this exact issue over a year ago here on phonearena itself. If you're going to spread lies at least research them a little more instead of what you read around from peoples comments.
As far as RAM and processing power, now you will see lower end devices suffer the inability to play certain apps properly that are going to be optimized for the higher end devices. It will be a while until you see this though or even the use of any of the extra power this phone is going to have. Right now, W store is not a money maker, so dont even expect apps to use any of the hardware that will actually be available for you to use. Its like buying a PS4 to strictly to play 8 bit games or something. The support wont be there unless they actually start promoting real high end devices. It kind of sucks that a 520 will do the same thing as their premium 929. The should at least upgrade the OS to have more on higher end models.
39. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 949; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)
cripton805, the only person who is telling lies here is yourself. Trying to convince others that Android is a secure OS is an unspeakable crime. Also, Google's Playstore has a sketchy reputation, and their security standards are not up to the same level as Apple and Microsoft. Stop trying to spread misinformation, or the rest of us might as well assume that you are in fact a blackhat thug that steals personal info, or working for Google/Samsung, or possibly both...
Also, it's natural that high end devices will run wares faster and better than low end hardware. Since when is that unfair? The 520 will not do the same thing as a flagship 929: it only has a 5MP cam, versus 20MP, as well as less memory and weaker graphics, and a lot worse audio too. So what? People who are willing to pay more deserve more. It seems to me that you are doing your best to try and present WP8 devices in a negative light. I have used the Lumia 920, L520, and the L1020, and all of these are excellent phones with different capabilities. The L929 is going to be a good addition to the family, and your attempts to portray these devices or WP8 OS as vastly inferior to Android give away your true intentions. The "third eco-system" is here to stay: deal with it!
40. cripton805 (Posts: 1444; Member since: 18 Mar 2012)
Go do some research on Android OS seriously. You dont know anything about it. Obviously you don't read any of my comments. I said I wanted Windows to stay. So then, does Windows lag or not? Some of you bag on Android and say it lags, but now youre saying Windows can get faster. How can it get faster with no lag? That doesnt make much sense. It does mostly the same thing as far as the OS goes. A majority of people use their phones for web browsing, texting, and calling. Which requires heavy use of a phones OS. If your primary function is taking pictures or listening to music. You are the minority. So, most people will enjoy both devices just the same. But where is that WOW moment when you realize you can multi task, watch videos while you text, or even as simple as a slider to skip music. I didnt check that, has that "finally" been added or a simple wallpaper or toggle switches? Heck, even the little things you guys call "gimmicks". Those little things add up to your experience and a higher end model should have more of those options.
Whats the problem with wanting more for your phones? Do you guys want to stay behind the pack or move forward? Why would you utterly defend a product that can be better and very easily so. Except the company isnt willing to risk the money for something that still hangs. But it will stay hanging until they do something about it. Nobody is interested in making apps for Windows. Even very populated web sites and games seem to be ignoring the OS. Why??? Do you have a basic app like snapchat yet? maybe?
41. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 949; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)
cripton805, you seem to have some extreme bias against Microsoft and/or Nokia. Also, I never said that WP8 OS was perfect, or that it has all of the features and customization options that can be found in the current build of Android OS. However, Android is not as secure (despite your claims to the contrary), and it does in fact run slower, especially on less capable low end mobile devices. WP8 UI will run the same on an L520 as it does on a high end 1520, the only difference being that the appz or games will execute at the speed of the hardware contained in the device. In other words, you won't notice any slowdown in the UI, but obviously games will run faster on a Snapdragon 800 versus an S4. Makes sense, huh?
I don't need to research Android to know about the advantages and disadvantages for WP. I already know it's limitations and strengths, but the fact is that GDR3 will correct a number of weaknesses, and further updates will address some if not all of the disparities that you seem to be eager to point out. However, if security is your main concern, then WP8 already has major advantages over Android, and iOS as well. Also, Nokia camera technology is unmatched, and exclusive to the WP platform. For those of us who love photography, it makes the choice rather easy. It's also untrue that there is no interest in developing apps for WP, and while it lags behind Android and iOS, there are now close to two hundred thousand wares to choose from. I guess somebody must be interested, because those apps were not all created by Microsoft or Nokia.
Stop bashing this platform, and just accept that while Android has it's virtues, it doesn't excel in every area (especially for security). WP8 has it's place in the world, as does iOS. Live and let live, okay? Peace out.
45. cripton805 (Posts: 1444; Member since: 18 Mar 2012)
Read this article and learn something instead of spewing nonsense. Phonearena has covered this too. Android is secure.
46. elitewolverine (Posts: 5185; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
That really didn't prove much. That is like saying, Windows ME is secure, but the users are not. Really? You don't say....
Not only that, the data presented only catches the verified app glimpses.
On all platforms, users are the week link.
The question becomes how easy can the user, cause damage to the phone because of something silly.
I get corrupted OS calls all day on droid, because they put in a sdcard, or downloaded an app, etc. Entirely their fault, entirely. But in the end, it still allows for great data corruption.
And the best part is of that long review, it goes outright and states the protection only goes so far as the installation of an app. Meaning once the app is there, and user idiocracy, droid and google are no longer protecting any data on the phone.
6. roldefol (Posts: 4302; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
Well, for one, this is the first Lumia with a 5" 1080 screen and a quad-core. Not everyone wants a phablet, but judging from the number of Galaxy S4s I see out there, everyone wants a nice screen, a good camera, and something that won't be obsolete in a year. This phone is more important to MS/Nokia than people realize.
8. woodshop20 (Posts: 459; Member since: 14 Sep 2013)
Well, I don't agree with the first part of your statement. We were bashing Nokia before about the 1020 only having dual core + 1gb ram, and now we're saying that they don't need it? But I agree that all Nokias look the same. At least Sony, HTC and LG show some design variation with their model but all Nokias literally have identical aesthetics.
10. cripton805 (Posts: 1444; Member since: 18 Mar 2012)
Yes, a year ago Nokia fans were bashing on everything they could. Saying they wouldnt need a Quad core when the GS3 came out. Microsoft and Nokia called it a gimmick to lure in customers. Then Nokias Quad core comes out and suddenly Microsoft and Nokia say they need it.Ya don't say? Maybe it was that your Playskool OS and devs didnt support it back then and would never admit they are behind. Bring a true powerhouse to the table and support it!
13. Deaconclgi (Posts: 405; Member since: 03 Nov 2012)
There is a difference between a need and want.....also, the GPU matters more than the number of cores at this point in mobile software development.
I want the most powerful mobile devices, does that mean the OS needs that amount of power? No.
I want the most powerful WP, Android, iOS, Maemo and Symbian devices.
The most powerful device I own currently is an iPad 4, it will have some fierce competition by a Nexus 5 that I will add to the stable next year to join my current 1020, 920, 808, N8, iPhone 4, Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 and random Android devices.
Each device was sufficiently powerful for that generation and the only thing that taxes them, that makes them seem slow are newer apps that need a stronger GPU to handle the new effects.
My 920 and 1020 don't NEED a quad core CPU to run Windows Phone 8, but I want one just to have a better GPU and better game compatibility.
14. roldefol (Posts: 4302; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
Call me an apologist, but I would argue MS-Nokia was waiting for the best quad-core they could get. They skipped from the S4+ (a mature dual-core) to the S800 (a mature quad-core with a stellar GPU). It's pretty clear MS hasn't been jumping on every trend in hardware. They're implementing goodies like quad cores and 1080 screens now that they can do so smoothly and efficiently.
15. cripton805 (Posts: 1444; Member since: 18 Mar 2012)
The GS3 and some of its android competitors have been just fine with it's quad core and it was released over a year ago. So, it is always picking oldie but goodie hardware, but everythings been there done that for while.
This is why Microsoft is behind. Google took the bull by the horns and has been dominating. Its about time Microsoft does the same. Now, with Kit Kat, Google is now going to focus more attention to the low-mid end phones. Now that they are on top. Microsoft is focusing on its low end phones and implenting the same OS on its high end phones. Which is fine, but its severely affecting their oppurtunity to come at the competition strong. Now is the time to focus on using their OS and use it with more powerful hardware. Now, that they have their low end phones set.
20. freebee269 (Posts: 539; Member since: 10 Aug 2012)
i guess right now the snapdragon 800 is old hardware huh? i guess 2gb of ram that is lpddr3 is old hardware? a 20mp camera is old? a display that has an exciting technology called assertive is old?
you android only fans are like clockwork. first you complain a platform doesnt have up to date tech. when they do get it then you complain they are behind getting it and soon it will be old. the same old tired arguement. i like android as much as the next person but at the same time i appreciate what other platforms have to offer and might bring that android doesnt have. right now i have an lg g2 that is better than the galaxy s4 that i used to have and they both came out this year. technology moves so fast it is certain that when something comes out it will get passed over by something better in a few months. android just now addressing low end android devices is not going to affect windows phones. the difference there is nokia is bringing low end devices for low prices that offer more than the android counter-part. it doesnt matter if android optimizes for 512mb ram devices. the oems still have to build compelling devices to rival what nokia is bringing at that price point. in my opinion i dont see that affecting nokia/MS that much.
22. cripton805 (Posts: 1444; Member since: 18 Mar 2012)
If android had not focused on high end devices they wouldnt be where they are today. The GS4 is better than your phone. Sure, specs wise it is a tiny bit better. Not enough to say its "better phone" over all. It is older and it still packs better features. Samsung is currently on top of the game with their superior UI with more features.
Dont you get it? Im not picking sides. Zune failed and Windows has failed numerous times against BB and Apple. Google knew that Windows/Nokia was going to release something like the 520/521 with Kit kat right around the corner to compete directly with it. A year or even months is a long time in tech. Windows is way behind. I have used WP8. Have you? Just to change anything, you have to dig into the phone from either the live tiles and/or numerous scrolling menus. It doesnt even let you personalize the phone that much at all. It needs a major overhaul with its next update for both its low end devices and high.
29. freebee269 (Posts: 539; Member since: 10 Aug 2012)
i have a lumia 920 and have had a lumia 1020. i dont have to "dig into the phone". i enjoy the OS. sure it doesnt have everything my lg g2 does, but what it does have it does it well. and i can appreciate that. it already had a significant overhaul with the introduction of wp8 from wp7. changing kernels is a big overhaul. and as far as gs4 and lg g2 goes. i had a gs4 and it was laggy with samsungs touchwiz UI on top of android 4.2.2. i had to change roms to a dev one that took all the extra gimmick stuff that samsung put in it that did make it smoother or i went to an aosp rom that was very different in terms of smoothness in the UI. my lg g2 didnt have any of those issues out of the box like my gs4 did.
37. cripton805 (Posts: 1444; Member since: 18 Mar 2012)
So, you can just toggle stuff on and off from you live tiles? I have used the LG G2 and a GS4 as well. The LG is quicker, but I didnt check the animation settings. Samsung is heavier on animations. It amazes me that people call features "gimmicks" just because the phone does more than another. It would be like saying that some of Nokias cameras were gimmicks. It is a feature. Whether you choose to use it or not, that is your opinion. The point of the fact is that its there and it offers more. I like touchwiz and I still own a GS3. I rarely crash or lag. But the 1 or 2 times it does it every couple weeks doesnt affect my experience with it. I do hope that Kit Kat and an updated touchwiz will save more battery and be less power hungry. Im not losing any sleep over it and I havent needed any more RAM.
17. cripton805 (Posts: 1444; Member since: 18 Mar 2012)
Kit kat is Googles answer to the low end Lumias. If Microsoft doesnt focus on the high end phones, they are going to be beat. Windows wont compare to Android if Kit kat works. That is with their much better marketplace and more expandable OS. Microsoft WP8 is much too basic this far into the game. Its fallen way behind IOS7 now. Not mentioning the Marketplace.
Id like to see Windows stay in the game and fight much harder. We need a stronger competitor for high end devices besides Apple.
21. freebee269 (Posts: 539; Member since: 10 Aug 2012)
i disagree. i honestly like how microsoft has brung up windows phone 8 with their oem partners. make devices that are easier to get to get it into more people hands because of the low prices. once the interest in the platform starts to grow then bring along a few mid range devices. when those doing good enough and the platform is still growing (which it is whether you want to admit it or not) then bring out a couple high end devices while still bringing new low end devices.
i think this is a good strategy and it is a safe one to get continued growth in their platform. they dont need to have 15% world wide market share in the first year of windows phone 8 (it is only a year old). they just need to have continued growth y.o.y. while continue to add things to the platform that their followers want.