Here’s why there is no 16GB Microsoft Surface: Windows RT with Office is nearly 12x bigger than iOS
Windows RT with Office and essential apps on the Surface takes up a whopping 12GB, according to members of Microsoft’s Surface team.
Answering a question about how much space Windows RT occupies, Ricardo Lopez, a test manager on the Microsoft Surface team said he had nearly 20 GB of free space with Windows RT, Office RT, and "a bunch of apps."
So while we can't exactly say how much Windows RT takes up, fact of the matter is that you should get around 20GB of free space. And that's not much more than the nearly 14GB of free memory on the 16GB iPad.
And that explains why you don’t have a 16GB Microsoft Surface - it simply wouldn’t have enough space for storing things outside the operating system.
And that’s what bothers us. The Surface is already up for pre-order but important details like this one are only now appearing and not even through the official channels. We wouldn’t rush to get it until we know all the final details - it does seem like a beautifully designed product, but we know little more than that.
source: Reddit via Business Insider
1. darkvadervip (Posts: 341; Member since: 08 Dec 2010)
Sounds like jealousy and someone trying to kill Microsoft sells.
19. MeoCao (unregistered)
But 32GB is certainly better than 16GB b-c we can port Android to Surface which will free up a lot of memory.
26. 8logic (Posts: 131; Member since: 05 Mar 2012)
hmmm..... but since its arm based, i think i would work fine
40. B3BLW29 (Posts: 237; Member since: 02 Mar 2012)
yeah but why woul u do that. when Surface supports SD and external memory via USB... :)
28. -box- (Posts: 3858; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
Did the author forget the Surface has USB ports and a MicroSD card reader for storage expansion? Onboard doesn't matter as much when you have expandable memory. Not only that, cloud storage!
32. drahmad (Posts: 480; Member since: 20 Aug 2011)
phonearena wont like to mention the number of features windows has more wrt ios. windows rt is a full os except that thirdparty legacy apps need to be rewritten.
3. eisenbricher (Posts: 971; Member since: 09 Aug 2012)
I think this is just a rumor. This may be true with the Pro version as it offers the full windows experience, but with RT, no way it's gonna consume 12GB space.
24. saiki4116 (Posts: 358; Member since: 31 Mar 2011)
It may consume that much space because,they share the same kernel.The stack above the kernel in RT might have been toned down in order to accommodate in tablet.But In the end,it does not matter for a consumer,when it can get things done and the pricing too is not that bad..
5. eli577 (Posts: 81; Member since: 29 Jun 2010)
Interesting....when the Iphone 5 went on pre-order, no one cared about what the phone actually will be like in real life. There was a media event, where nobody could touch it, and then tha pre-orders started.
17. BillyG (Posts: 305; Member since: 24 Sep 2012)
i can't believe how stupid you are, apple open the pre order the next day, by then media event and bloggers already posted some hands on, even only a little, and all the specs are crystal clear stated on keynote. the size of the OS, you can already see it on ipsw file, so you can get picture of it. comparing to that, what MSurface do is to make buyers buy cat in a bag -- schrodingers cat -- it can be alive and it can be dead already.
29. -box- (Posts: 3858; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
Technically they opened it 2 days later.
6. the_best (Posts: 137; Member since: 14 Oct 2012)
"you have roughly 20GB, not much more than the memory on the 16GB iPad."
you mean a fourth of the ipads memory isnt big enough difference for you to pay the same money, and feel that you got more of the deal?
7. the_best (Posts: 137; Member since: 14 Oct 2012)
and another thing, do you acually have 16gb free on the ipad?
10. random1204 (Posts: 27; Member since: 26 May 2010)
No. No you don't. You have like...12-13gb.
36. CellularNinja (Posts: 303; Member since: 27 Sep 2011)
That's what I don't get. Surprisingly, PhoneArena seems slightly biased against the surface. "20 gigabytes doesn't seem like much more than 14?" uhmmmm I don't know how you define "much more" at Phone Arena, but 6 gigabytes is plenty more when you're paying the same amount of money
8. MarcMaiden (Posts: 25; Member since: 24 Nov 2009)
Hey PhoneArena - you took the guys comment out of context a bit here - he said "After loading office 2013 and a bunch of apps - I still have over 20gb free.
I highly doubt the OS takes 12gb itself.
11. Victor.H (Posts: 450; Member since: 27 May 2011)
Thanks! We've actually mentioned this in the article, but you do have a point. I've now made some corrections so it is extra clear that it's not just the OS, but Office and some apps as well.
9. dcutting (Posts: 1; Member since: 17 Oct 2012)
This is not true. When asked in a forum, they said that win rt plus default apps and OFFICE, there would be over 20GB left. The OS itself is not 12GB.
12. Mobile-X-Pert (Posts: 565; Member since: 20 Dec 2010)
The OS itself is not 12GB. MS said that you only get 20GB of free space because of all the Programs pre-installed on it, such as MS office, etc.
13. GJanee (Posts: 214; Member since: 29 Jun 2011)
looks like someone forgot about the microSD expansion...
39. jeff1434325 (Posts: 95; Member since: 07 Aug 2012)
.....yeah, and it also has a USB port for extra storage. (pathetic article)
14. pongkie (Posts: 505; Member since: 20 Aug 2011)
it has an micro sd card and usb so it may compensate somehow
15. xtroid2k (Posts: 427; Member since: 11 Jan 2010)
Windows RT is a full version of windows however it only supports the ARM architecture. This does make sense as win 7 takes up to 10gb or more on a clean install as opposed to XP which only took about 2 to 3gb as it was thought the user would install additional features as needed. Remember MS designed a new mobile platform and not really a mobile OS. So with all the built in products such as office and metro style apps its easy to reach 12GB.
16. B3BLW29 (Posts: 237; Member since: 02 Mar 2012)
Agreed OS might be slightly bulky but there's no way Ppl at Redmond are that dumb. That 12GB out of 16 GB for Man this new sure is from iPhone Arena :).
I just remember a couple of years back they went after Iphone, was it AntennaGate or some other goof up, PA was down for some reason :P. Since then they have been pro Fruit Ninja :D
18. ogy_dogy (Posts: 453; Member since: 29 Jun 2012)
Well for the same money you get more storage space, but all of you and pa are forgetting that the surface has a sd slot for up to 64gb cards plus a real usb conectorr for thumb drives and even hard drives. So basically you get a lot more for the same buck. Not to mention that w rt is a kick ass os, not a upscaled phone os...
20. speckledapple (Posts: 879; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)
I am not sure what the point of this is. We all know that operating systems take up a certain amount of memory on drives. It is also no question that Windows RT or Pro is a much more robust offering than what is on the iPad or Android; which obviously accounts for the greater space. My question is what is the point of stating the obvious? With expansion cards, something which other tablets except Android, do not have, is there a limit? Really its not.
22. DontHateOnS60 (Posts: 863; Member since: 20 Apr 2009)
The only thing I don't really understand in all of this is how RT differs from WP8, let alone W8. The only thing I get is that it runs on ARM hardware meaning its less resource hungry. But what about functionality? Can I install VLC player or something on RT?
23. ogy_dogy (Posts: 453; Member since: 29 Jun 2012)
You can run only apps from the w8 store and no legacy programs. And windows phone is a completely different os made for phones...
30. -box- (Posts: 3858; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
Not COMPLETELY different, just slimmed down and made for mobile needs, not to be a computer. Same kernel, after all
33. Joshing4fun (Posts: 1052; Member since: 13 Aug 2010)
Seriously, Microsoft is playing coy here. Telling us that think can replace laptops and tablets alike, yet idk if i can even sync it with my printer or use flash in the browser. Can i download music onto it and sync them to my phone? Can i upload a dvd to it and watch a saved movie? Or is this just an iPad with a stand, microsoft office, and very little apps?
25. TheDarkKnight (banned) (Posts: 88; Member since: 12 Oct 2012)
12 gb?!?!???????? What they add to the software?
27. kanagadeepan (Posts: 710; Member since: 24 Jan 2012)
WOW... 12GB of M$ bloat???
If it comes with Carrier bloat then there will be no 32GB version also... Since M$ bloat + Carrier's bloat will come upto 28GB then...
31. downphoenix (Posts: 2376; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)
I am more interested in the surface now that I got to play around properly with Windows 8, booted up the Consumer Preview into my HTPC and was pleasantly surprised. It was fast and better usability on my TV than Vista or 7 was.
34. 7thspaceman (Posts: 1119; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)
Hmm you get 20 gigs of storage and extra gigs of storage by adding an SD chips plus you have Microsoft office in the surface RT computer hey that is still a good deal for
499 dollars folks Microsoft home/Student cost 150 dollars the last time I went to staples to get it for my desktop PC and you can get it for free preloaded on a Tablet computer hey that sounds cool to me. the Only main weakness the Microsoft Surface RT has is special apps have to be written to run on it and they all have to be Tile style
apps like you see on a windows 8 tablets it will take time for a lot of them to become available for windows surface RT tablets Now the Microsoft "Surface Pro" coming out next year is really a PC in the form of a Tablet computer and it runs Full Windows desktop and laptop level programs and they number in the thousands made from the year 2000 to 2012 and I was told that the surface can be put in windows 95 compatibility mode to run windows 95 programs too .I don't know anyone who would want to do that do you? the reason the Surface pro can do this and the windows surface RT cannot is that Microsoft windows RT tablets that just came out use ARMS CPU's and the Microsoft surface pro uses Intel or AMD x86 CPU chips. which has programs written to run with them since before the year 2000 and earlier.
35. pikapowerize (banned) (Posts: 1869; Member since: 03 May 2012)
reasonable...at least you can get a 32GB version at $500 than iPad's 16GB version at same price!! and you can get Office apps already!
im so excited!!
i wish to see a LTE surface RT too!
37. danj833 (Posts: 2; Member since: 12 Aug 2012)
complaining because you get more storage (20gb vs 14gb) and a more complete, versatile OS than the iPad for the same price? that makes sense...