Apple calms Touch ID privacy concerns again, says chicken wings and fingerprinting don't mix
1. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
"Since the print is encrypted on the phone itself, the NSA also can't sent one of those sneaky letters to Apple requesting his or hers fingerprints either..."
4. msa1988 (Posts: 417; Member since: 30 Mar 2010)
Yeah right. I'll believe this as much as I believed the goverment wasnt spying on our social media and cell phone accounts.
6. Chaseism (Posts: 82; Member since: 08 May 2013)
Well remember that we allowed the government to pass the Patriot Act among other laws that made it legal for them to spy. If you only found this out because of Eric Snowden, then you really need to pay more attention to your politics.
39. Chaseism (Posts: 82; Member since: 08 May 2013)
Thanks night_elf. I keep calling him Eric...
13. Googler (Posts: 813; Member since: 10 Jun 2013)
Amen to that. Simple truth is the NSA doesn't need your fingerprints, they already have files on all their citizens that contain far more information than if you have an arch, swirl or loop print pattern on your thumb.
18. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
But by fingerprints you can exactly know who is using the phone.
21. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
Let's say that you bought the phone and use prepaid SIM so basicaly no one knows who are behind the phone. But now by fingerprints they can easely find you.
55. Sauce (unregistered)
People who use prepaid SIMs are the same smart people who will professionally dispose of the phone right after.
60. sniper1087 (Posts: 426; Member since: 31 Dec 2011)
They explained this already, the fingerprints are stored n your phone, not on their servers, and the information is encrypted, noone has access to the fingerprints but you, anyhow it doesnt matter still waiting for the xperia Z1, but no release date yet negrielectronics mentioned sept 20 but at a really high price, even for an unlocked device.
75. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
Seems that you don't understand whoe idea...
79. pelliot (Posts: 1; Member since: 28 Sep 2013)
Not only that; since the print read on the iphone uses skin resistance, they could probably use it in a similar fashion to a lie detector machine. Over time and usage they could build a profile based on skin resistance that could reveal what your emotional state is at the time you unlock your phone, based on the skin resistance data, and the tone of the communication you have afterwards.
Google this: "Personal Digital Privacy and Wireless Network Devices in a Vehicle"
this company ahh.biz posted a public service announcement about this stuff,
there is some pretty good tips here about minimizing your exposure to NSA surveillance by choosing devices that are designed properly from a privacy standpoint.
38. Zeus.k (unregistered)
Good point. +1.
P. S. You changed your account Jeff.?
10. darkkjedii (Posts: 14127; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Why because its apple, and not google? Can you please elaborate as to why you don't trust it.
12. night_elf (Posts: 41; Member since: 02 Apr 2013)
It's not about google or Apple, it's about they are forced by law to lie when the NSA asks them to.
27. darkkjedii (Posts: 14127; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
With you it's not google or apple, and I respect your post. I'd love an explanation from PAU though. +1
31. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
Because in my opinion there is no reasons to trust and there is reasons not to trust.
36. darkkjedii (Posts: 14127; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
That's not elaboration PAU, that's generalizing, but ok.
41. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Here is something to consider:
Since Apple has sandboxed the fingerprint scanner, there is no way to truly (aka objectively) know what is happening with your fingerprint scans. Apple says the fingerprint scans are only stored locally on the device. And since device data is encrypted on the device at AES256-level security, everything should be secure, right? The only problem I have with that concept is the fact that NSA has bent the process of standard-setting to enable it to be able to crack encryption that conforms to the latest standards. For example, the AES256 standard is not the hardest to crack. There was another finalist that was not selected because it was allegedly more secure than AES256....
The only way to separate fact from fairy tale, is to be a cryptanalyst, and those folks are by-and-large working for NSA. Fox guarding the henhouse, and what not.
Better to just have no expectation of security/privacy. Then you won't be disappointed.
63. darkkjedii (Posts: 14127; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Now that is an explanation dude. Well said, and agreed with. +1
56. Sauce (unregistered)
Dark I can't wait to read the praise and excitement when Samsung and others release a phone with a fingerprint reader. The conversations will completely turn around and everything will be just dandy lol.
64. darkkjedii (Posts: 14127; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Yep sauce you are spot on right. Everything will be cool then with the Sammites. +1
77. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
When moto atrix had a finger print scanner not a huge deal was made because it was pre NSA and prism stuff but since then anything to do with security will now get big eyeballs as the NSA stuff has brought security to the fore front for a lot of non techies too which is why I think a lot of phones will have it soon and not because apple have it. The one Max is pretty much guaranteed and note 3 from earlier leaks had it in the pipeline but decided against it, my guess they going to leave that for the s5 as a USP. Am all for finger print but I want it to work 99% of the time. Apple seem to have done well but looks like people who use lotions and body oil etc might have issues. Hopefully you don't need totally dry skin.
50. Long1 (banned) (Posts: 399; Member since: 18 May 2013)
As them , why Apple don't give developers access to the scaner, then? LOL
17. illusionmist (Posts: 134; Member since: 29 Jan 2013)
Allow me to quote David Pogue of NY Times here:
"Furthermore, if you’re convinced that Apple is lying and the world is out to get you, why aren’t you equally worried about using a login password? How do you know Apple’s not transmitting that to the N.S.A., too?
If that’s your worry, I submit that you have much greater worries. You must also worry that Verizon is listening in to your phone calls, Visa is laughing its head off at your purchases, and Garmin is tracking your road trips on a map somewhere."
33. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
"...aren’t you equally worried about using a login password? How do you know Apple’s not transmitting that to the N.S.A., too?"
I don't know.
42. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
And Apple is prohibited (by law) from telling you they have provided your data to the NSA.
47. RebelwithoutaClue (Posts: 1820; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)
A login password is not traced back to me. Passwords can change, fingerprints can't. If David can't see the difference there, he's quite sortsighted. And yes I do worry sometimes what all those companies ergo NSA knows about people.
61. illusionmist (Posts: 134; Member since: 29 Jan 2013)
I see you think 5S just takes a picture of your fingerprint and then stores and uses it, which is not how that works, at all.
80. RebelwithoutaClue (Posts: 1820; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)
No I don't think that, I read enough to know it doesn't do that. Still doesn't change the fact the device knows my fingerprint. You are telling me Apple can't reproduce my fingerprint with the data stored in the A7 chip?
68. Sauce (unregistered)
Sure they can. Just dip them in acid and voila! No more fingerprints!
81. RebelwithoutaClue (Posts: 1820; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)
lol that's a bit more extreme than changing my password
51. McLTE (Posts: 731; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
sorry, but putting a FINGER PRINT on the same "worry" level as a password is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. EVER.
32. Tsoliades (Posts: 216; Member since: 22 Dec 2012)
The thing is, iOS isn't open source so we can't know for sure.
48. Long1 (banned) (Posts: 399; Member since: 18 May 2013)
Not giving access to the developers, showes that Apple or WSJ are deceptive here.
In other sorce is writen - WSJ " an unnamed Apple spokesperson has provided some important..."
7. HansGoneInsane (unregistered)
You got it! Each day since the presentation I get more and more convinced of the iPhone 5S. Also the debate on PA about the 64bit CPU is going into the wrong direction. If you check more tech-serious websites, one can see how the user still benefits of the 64 bit architecture even with less than 4GB of RAM.
The discussion of below the article of the last link is very good in my opinion.
8. darkkjedii (Posts: 14127; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Me too, it gonna grab one come Friday. Thanx for the link HGI, I'm clicking it now.
43. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
You are going to grab a 5C? According to Apple, the 5S is available 9/20.
9. darkkjedii (Posts: 14127; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Once Google and MS complete their platform convergence, it'll make more sense. Apple got out the gate first with this 64 bit mobile phone CPU, now I see what they meant by forward thinking. Thanx for the link, great article. +1
19. THE.DARK.KNIGHT (banned) (Posts: 269; Member since: 09 Sep 2013)
Read both articles. If that's apples strategy then they are on the right track. On a side note, considering the number of leaks regarding the partnership between intel and apple, could it be that intel built this chip (since its 64 bit)? I know that your links claim that apples chip it's an ARM 64 bit chip but the writers of those articles are assuming.
22. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
"...could it be that intel built this chip (since its 64 bit)?"
I almost sure that no.
29. darkkjedii (Posts: 14127; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
This processing power is a clear sign of something big in the near future from apple. They may be about to throw a heater
40. THE.DARK.KNIGHT (banned) (Posts: 269; Member since: 09 Sep 2013)
Indeed! As future ios devices will all be 64 bit
54. Whateverman (Posts: 3235; Member since: 17 May 2009)
I'm picturing an actual Mac, in a 5 inch display and cellular connectivity... AND I LIKE IT!!!
Just imagine, no more iOS. Full Mac OS but on a phone. Maybe that's a bit much to ask, but that would make me forget all about Android.
57. Penywyz (banned) (Posts: 255; Member since: 13 Aug 2013)
Or they did it because they knew apple fanboys like yourself would buy it, and or to try and appeal to people who are concerned with specs.
59. HansGoneInsane (unregistered)
It is not my article but an article from ZNET. Who knows who built that CPU. We need to wait until ifixit did a tear down of the iPhone 5S. They usually provide that on launch day or one day after that.
14. Googler (Posts: 813; Member since: 10 Jun 2013)
This entire thing is overblown, your thumbprint isn't much of a piece of information. Guess too many people have watched Mission Impossible and like shows far too much.
46. SprintGuy22 (Posts: 13; Member since: 10 Jul 2013)
your fingerprint isnt much of a piece of information?.. I suppose when the next one asks to prick your finger you wont be concerned either..
69. Googler (Posts: 813; Member since: 10 Jun 2013)
You saying a blood sample is the same thing as a fingerprint?
3. istitch (Posts: 177; Member since: 19 Mar 2013)
45. THE.DARK.KNIGHT (banned) (Posts: 269; Member since: 09 Sep 2013)
Nice joke...... But it ends there, it's just a joke
5. itsdeepak4u2000 (Posts: 3306; Member since: 03 Nov 2012)
But there should be one more security layer needed after finger print scan in case IMO.
15. _Bone_ (Posts: 2146; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)
NSA pretty much pushed for the tech.
Haven't been arrested? No booking at the local police station? You're one touch away from sharing your fingerprint data with common criminals.
16. mclifford81 (Posts: 69; Member since: 26 Jan 2010)
The major issue here is that just very recently the public has been made aware of the NSA and "PRISM" which was being withheld from the public view for years now. Who is to say that another program code named "IGYS" I got you sucker won't come out in the future and bam all of our personal privacy rights go out the window yet again. To make matters worse there are and always will be hackers out there who can figure out a work around to gain access it's only a matter of time. I personally would just disable the option for the finger print scanner altogether then it's no foul no harm to an extent.