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Nvidia wins first round at the ITC, complaint might see Samsung's Galaxy Note 4, Note Edge, S5, and more, banned from the US

Nvidia wins first round at the ITC, complaint might see Samsung's Galaxy Note 4, Note Edge, S5, and more, banned from the US
A little over a month after Nvidia first filed a complaint with the ITC over Qualcomm's and Samsung's supposed infringement of its patented technology, the not-exactly-judicial federal body has ruled in favor of the former, and an investigation is in order.

"We are pleased with the ITC decision today to open an investigation and look forward to presenting our case on how NVIDIA GPU patents are being used without a license" said Nvidia's executive vice president and chief administrative officer, David Shannon.

For those of you who missed out on the original story, Nvidia first felt compelled to act on September 4, as the company thinks that the $9 billion it spent on R&D since 1993 deserves some sort of a return, and that's impossible with companies that refuse to license its tech. At least the company feels so. Samsung was lightning fast to react and asserted that it will tkae "all measures necessary" to fight off the allegations made by the chipmaker.

At the core of the complaint are 7 specific patents that Nvidia claims Samsung and Qualcomm (but also ARM and Imagination Technologies) are infringing upon. According to the original statement from the company, they chose to act after several rounds of talks with Samsung led to no agreement -- Samsung, purportedly, refused to deal with the issue, as the electronics giant felt that this is an issue with its suppliers. It's quite obvious that Nvidia doesn't feel that way, and is asking for a number of high-profile Samsung devices to be banned from the States, including the Galaxy Note 3 and Note 4, the Galaxy Note Edge, and the Galaxy S4 and S5. Also threatened are Samsung slates like the Galaxy Tab S, the Galaxy Note Pro, and the Galaxy Tab 2. The issue here is that these are powered by Qualcomm or Exynos chipsets, both of which Nvidia considers to be making unfair use of its patent portfolio. 

In any case, it'll probably be a long while until we know anything for certain. We'll keep you posted.

source: Nvidia via VentureBeat

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posted on 07 Oct 2014, 09:38 14

1. darkskoliro (Posts: 1076; Member since: 07 May 2012)


Will be interesting to know what patent was violated.

posted on 07 Oct 2014, 10:53 2

40. akki20892 (Posts: 3900; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)


naah, that just time pass.

posted on 07 Oct 2014, 11:19 12

49. Ashoaib (Posts: 3229; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)


thats unfair, qualcomm is the one who made soc so go after qualcomm or Arm or powervr... why putting someone else's crime on samsung's shoulders

posted on 07 Oct 2014, 11:56 1

56. JC557 (Posts: 1431; Member since: 07 Dec 2011)


except nVidia isn't justified as there were others in the graphics field, some even existed prior to nvidia and it makes sense that such tech should trickle down to mobile devices considering a laptop is also a mobile device albeit lacking cellular connectivity (well there are some laptops that came with built in cards).

posted on 07 Oct 2014, 11:57 3

58. renz4 (Posts: 317; Member since: 10 Aug 2013)


when the news about nvidia suing samsung and qualcomm first break out nvidia already explain that. (check anandtech for detail. AFAIK most site reporting the news did not mention it). people asking why they go after samsung when samsung only use IMG / ARM gpu design for their exynoss. then nvidia mention the licensing agreement they have with intel. the licensing fee intel pay to nvidia wasn't just for the access to nvidia GPU IP but also for the Power VR gpu used in intel SoC.

i think there is still a lot of stuff not known to the public. so far only samsung say they will fight back. last i heard qualcomm still try to re-evaluating the situation. ARM refuse to comment and IMG only says that they believe their gpu tech is well protected and unique.

posted on 07 Oct 2014, 12:55 3

63. vincelongman (Posts: 4252; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


Also why just go after Samsung?
If Nvidia win this case it would probably encourage them to go after every other OEM, e.g. Apple, Sony, HTC, LG...
Since all OEM use GPUs from either Qualcomn, ARM & Imagination Technologies
Even as a big fan of Nvidia's new Maxwell GPUs, I think this could be potentially very bad for mobiles

posted on 07 Oct 2014, 13:43

69. renz4 (Posts: 317; Member since: 10 Aug 2013)


that's one possibility but there are also possibility that company like Apple etc already in talk with nvidia and progressing towards agreement.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/05/us-nvidia-qualcomm-samsung-elec-idUSKBN0GZ2N220140905

note in the article that when he was ask about going after Apple Huang decline to comment about that and mention: "we continue to have productive conversations with a lot of other companies out there."

posted on 07 Oct 2014, 18:55 2

79. joey_sfb (Posts: 5551; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)


Current patent system allow for vague interpretation. Up to the patent holder to implies what their few sketches of drawing means.

You need to have millions or billons to fight off patent trolls in order to conduct a legit business.

posted on 07 Oct 2014, 20:54 2

82. Jommick (Posts: 221; Member since: 10 Sep 2013)


> patent troll
> nvidia

right...

posted on 08 Oct 2014, 00:45

86. Ashoaib (Posts: 3229; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)


yeah, draw some sketches on the paper and the technology is yours for 20 years, thats the US patent system... sure these rules were created with bad intentions, 5 years are more than enough for any patent

posted on 07 Oct 2014, 09:39 7

2. bendgate (unregistered)


Nvidia did what Apple had been trying for years.

posted on 07 Oct 2014, 11:48 3

53. The-Sailor-Man (banned) (Posts: 1095; Member since: 25 Mar 2014)


If Nvidia can sue Samsung for buying , Qualcomm made soc , than Nvidia CAN SUE THE PEOPLE THAT BUY SAMSUNG DEVICES , too.
Right????
So , don't buy Note 4 ,

posted on 07 Oct 2014, 17:02

77. elitewolverine (Posts: 5172; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)


Most likely due to other things other than 'just buying the soc'.

posted on 07 Oct 2014, 09:40 3

4. power_x (Posts: 264; Member since: 28 Aug 2013)


Guess who is taking Apple's place in the court :D

posted on 07 Oct 2014, 09:44

7. Martin_Cooper (Posts: 1374; Member since: 30 Jul 2013)


Would love for you to make a patent/buy one and let other people use it for free while they make billions and you 0 from it.

posted on 07 Oct 2014, 13:16 2

66. shuaibhere (Posts: 1986; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)


Why don't they go after qualcomm or arm??? why everyone aims samsung???need publicity huh???
Or that others can't pay thesum they want....
From now I'll never buy nvidia gpus...

posted on 07 Oct 2014, 13:16 1

67. shuaibhere (Posts: 1986; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)


Why don't they go after qualcomm or arm??? why everyone aims samsung???need publicity huh???
Or that others can't pay thesum they want....
From now I'll never buy nvidia gpus...

posted on 07 Oct 2014, 09:43 5

5. Settings (Posts: 1530; Member since: 02 Jul 2014)


Cheaters never win. Why must Samsung always copy?

posted on 07 Oct 2014, 09:49 1

11. bendgate (unregistered)


Because they are crazy. In many cases originality would've been much better.

posted on 07 Oct 2014, 09:50 11

12. NexusPhan (Posts: 625; Member since: 11 Jul 2013)


Better say the same thing about every other smartphone manufacturer as the patents in question are supposedly infringed upon by ARM, Qualcomm, Apple, Sony, LG etc. All of them. Not sure why they picked Samsung.

posted on 07 Oct 2014, 09:53 2

14. bendgate (unregistered)


Because they have more money than others.

posted on 07 Oct 2014, 10:07 7

20. AnasMalas (Posts: 2; Member since: 07 Oct 2014)


Samsung MAKES exynose chips!! also qualcomm and arm are facing charges!! if samsung just used snapdragons maybe it would have not been sued!!

posted on 07 Oct 2014, 10:49

38. NexusPhan (Posts: 625; Member since: 11 Jul 2013)


Ah, excellent point about the Exynos. Forgot about that because they don't use them here in the states.

posted on 07 Oct 2014, 10:51

39. kamejoko (Posts: 201; Member since: 10 Nov 2011)


I think you can not read and understand it?. All devices SS sell in us is qualcomm cpu, not exynos.

posted on 07 Oct 2014, 11:08

47. Twisted247 (Posts: 282; Member since: 12 Oct 2012)


Not true dipsh!t check your facts before you open your idiotic mouth..

posted on 07 Oct 2014, 12:43 4

60. tedkord (Posts: 10922; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


But even with the Exynos, the GPU the Mali-T760, which is designed by ARM. Again, ARM would be the infringing party, if indeed the is any infringement.

posted on 07 Oct 2014, 13:19 3

68. shuaibhere (Posts: 1986; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)


Exynos is purely based on ARM design...which samsung licensed from ARM..so that too is not a fault of samsung...it's ARM who should pay not samsung..

posted on 07 Oct 2014, 10:12

23. VZWuser76 (Posts: 4039; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)


Actually that'd be Apple. But I'm sure they'll also say that's the supplier's fault and nothing more will come of it.

posted on 07 Oct 2014, 10:18 6

24. tedkord (Posts: 10922; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


What did Samsung copy here? They bought a part. If there was any copying, it was by their supplier.

However, notice that nVidia has also named Imagination, which is used in the iPhone. They're calling out pretty much all mobile GPUs.

posted on 07 Oct 2014, 16:18

75. jroc74 (Posts: 6004; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


Hey tedkord.....making sense of this is not allowed....its supposed to be an 'ah hah Samsung the copy cat' pile on....

posted on 08 Oct 2014, 02:06

87. joey_sfb (Posts: 5551; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)


That what i would do, higher chance of winning a foreign company Samsung in US.

Before going after the bigger fish. Apple made SOC are Imagination and ARM designs.

'Settings' comment is bias against Samsung as usual.

posted on 07 Oct 2014, 11:59

59. donfem (Posts: 643; Member since: 30 Mar 2011)


A very unsmart question I dare say

posted on 07 Oct 2014, 12:43

61. tedkord (Posts: 10922; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


Much smarter than the answer it got.

posted on 07 Oct 2014, 09:45

8. sip1995 (Posts: 1571; Member since: 07 Feb 2014)


No ban Samesung in Europe...

posted on 07 Oct 2014, 09:47 2

9. bendgate (unregistered)


Breaking News- Nvidia is going to make Apple A9 chips.

posted on 07 Oct 2014, 10:03

18. vuyonc (Posts: 1004; Member since: 24 Feb 2014)


Off topic. I'm considering a gaming desktop next year and I'm not which brand of graphics card to pick. Nvidia seems to have better priced cards (gtx 970/980) while AMD has better multi card support.

posted on 07 Oct 2014, 13:05

64. vincelongman (Posts: 4252; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


Dont care about Nvidia vs AMD
Just buy whatever GPU has the best price vs performance at the time you buy
Right now the best value card IMO is the $330 GTX 970 or $300 R9 290 or the $230 R9 285

But It will change soon, when AMD launch their 300 series and Nvidia launch their GTX 960

posted on 07 Oct 2014, 13:53

70. vuyonc (Posts: 1004; Member since: 24 Feb 2014)


I guess I'll wait for the 300 series. But the GTX 970 OC looks so good :P

posted on 07 Oct 2014, 10:05

19. marcski07 (Posts: 598; Member since: 25 Apr 2014)


ouch. that's gonna hurt.

posted on 07 Oct 2014, 10:23

26. B-power (Posts: 242; Member since: 22 Feb 2014)


Why can nvidia do things Apple can't do Apple has way more money.

posted on 07 Oct 2014, 12:45

62. tedkord (Posts: 10922; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


Maybe nVidia patents are patent worthy.

posted on 07 Oct 2014, 10:28

28. Gadgety (Posts: 172; Member since: 03 Sep 2012)


So here's hoping that the in stock Note 4s intended for the US, may be coming to other markets at a discounted price?

posted on 07 Oct 2014, 10:30 1

30. Taters (banned) (Posts: 6474; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)


Nvidia are being bitches like Nokia was about some lossless audio crap. Same situation. Either way, some American politician has to step in and clean this BS up like that lady had to step in and fix the American education system by removing all those teachers with tenure that was abusing it.

Too many tech companies abusing BS patents and acting like babies. Not surprised about it though since this is just how the good old USA rolls.

posted on 07 Oct 2014, 10:39 2

35. StraightEdgeNexus (Posts: 3689; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)


Wow I hope this doesn't happen, will be a huge loss for Samsung.

posted on 07 Oct 2014, 11:04

45. sip1995 (Posts: 1571; Member since: 07 Feb 2014)


I hope this will happen in Europe too...

posted on 08 Oct 2014, 02:37

88. joey_sfb (Posts: 5551; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)


Don't up your hope up its unlikely to happen to both US and Europe.

Even if Samsung just sell Note 4 to China it's going to surpasses WP8 worldwide total sales.

posted on 07 Oct 2014, 10:57 1

42. CX3NT3_713 (Posts: 2269; Member since: 18 Apr 2011)


Damm u NVIDIA

posted on 07 Oct 2014, 11:36 1

51. poppy.a (Posts: 41; Member since: 24 Sep 2014)


lol, about to open an investigation , joke case , doesn't hold water

posted on 07 Oct 2014, 19:36

80. JMartin22 (Posts: 1966; Member since: 30 Apr 2013)


nVidia makes mediocre SoCs that have no power efficiency whatsoever.

posted on 07 Oct 2014, 21:58

83. Taters (banned) (Posts: 6474; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)


The courts should punish Nvidia somehow if this ends up being a shut and run case for Samsung. To discourage this sickening Apple esque behavior from Nvidia.

Microsoft has a case and are entitled to their 6.9 million, I don't know what the Samsung legal team was thinking there but this is almost as bs as Apple.

posted on 07 Oct 2014, 23:48

84. skymitch89 (Posts: 1295; Member since: 05 Nov 2010)


I could see Nvidia going after Samsung for the "use of its patients" in the Exynos SoCs, but not for the Snapdragon SoCs. For that, Nvidia should be going after Qualcomm. And if they're going after the Snapdragon SoCs, then they should try & ban any and all devices that have one.

posted on 08 Oct 2014, 13:34

89. gaara6775 (Posts: 738; Member since: 20 May 2014)


Ban samesung in India too xD

posted on 10 Oct 2014, 03:04

90. Sinnott (Posts: 1; Member since: 10 Oct 2014)


Author, please use spell-check. You should know how to spell "take."

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