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The NSA can listen to your calls without a warrant

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The NSA can listen to your calls without a warrant
Before Congress could make comments against the NSA, the agency told lawmakers in a secret meeting that interpretation of federal surveillance law allows the NSA to listen to domestic and international calls. We're not just talking about metadata here, but both sides of a full conversation. This most likely includes your texts and emails. All that is required is an analyst to give his or her thumbs up and your phone call has a third party involved that you are you are unaware of.

This information comes from Rep. Jerrold Nadler, a New York Democrat who revealed last week the NSA's briefing on Capitol Hill. Nadler was stunned to hear that the only thing required for the NSA to listen in on your calls is an analyst's approval and does not require prior legal authorization. The NSA's annual budget is undisclosed but is believed to be in the range of $10 billion which allows the agency to own the technology giving it the ability to record all domestic and international calls.

According to a published report, the NSA has a listening post in Utah that enables it to go through billions of phone calls whether the call was originated in the U.S. or internationally. Carriers like AT&T that allow the agency to comb its servers, receive immunity from civil or criminal liability thanks to a law passed in 2008 which was renewed four years later. And while the law says that the NSA "may not intentionally target any person known at the time of acquisition to be located in the United States," some legal experts say that this can be interpreted to say that the NSA can grab as much domestic information as it wants, as long as it wasn't targeting a particular person.

source: CNET

UPDATE: According to information from the AP, fewer than 300 phone numbers were checked by the NSA program and the program prevented terrorist activity in more than 20 countries. In addition, the Obama administration has clarified earlier information and says that despite Congressman Nadler's initial comments, a warrant is still required for law enforcement officials to listen in to your phone calls. However, theNSA can, with this approval, listen in to complete conversations and receive more than just the metadata involving a phone call.

source: AP

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posted on 16 Jun 2013, 20:36 1

1. darkkjedii (Posts: 12568; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


I'll give them something to listen to. Nosey jerks!!!

posted on 16 Jun 2013, 20:37 5

2. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6726; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)


NSA ARE A BUNCH OF D!CKS

posted on 16 Jun 2013, 20:44 6

3. quesoesgrande (Posts: 217; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)


This has gotten out of hand. The NSA shouldnt have this kind of power. This is nuts. I really hope next term we can get some real leadership in the White House; Republican, Democrat, or indifferent.

posted on 16 Jun 2013, 23:28 1

11. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5950; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


"I really hope next term we can get some real leadership in the White House; Republican, Democrat, or indifferent."

Fuggedaboudit.

posted on 16 Jun 2013, 20:47

4. Dorothy69 (banned) (Posts: 498; Member since: 21 May 2013)


Dear Mr O-BamBam:
I hope you aren't monitoring what I write herein but if you are, please know, I could give a ratz @ss. Furthermore, I really wish you would do something about those elephant ears. It's very embarrassing when asked by every foreigner I meet if I've ever flown on Obama Air; I always have to respond by explaining that the ears, unfortunately, also need jet propulsion to cross the Atlantic. Anyway, thank you for Nationwide Health Coverage and all the other federally funded social programs that you continue to impose on the U.S. taxpayer. And, by the way, loved you in Independence Day!!

posted on 16 Jun 2013, 22:06 1

8. Zero0 (Posts: 583; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)


Because socialized health care is the biggest travesty.

The US is basically the only civilized country without it. Hell, the American taxpayer funds government healthcare in Iraq, but not in its own country!

It's no wonder that the US has the least efficient medical system in the world. All that government intervention and whatnot.

posted on 17 Jun 2013, 02:42

15. rallyguy (Posts: 574; Member since: 13 Mar 2012)


Because socialized medicine sucks. Experience both then you will see. Least efficient? Anytime the government gets involved in anything is when it becomes inefficient. It's still the best, but going down hill fast.

posted on 17 Jun 2013, 06:44 1

17. Dorothy69 (banned) (Posts: 498; Member since: 21 May 2013)


Just look at every other U.S. public agency or office (Federal or State) that are ALL swimming in inefficiency:
1. Social Security Administration / Medicare - TRAGIC
2. U.S. Postal Service - PATHETIC
3. U.S. Passport Office - ABYSMAL (unless you come across someone who knows what they are doing)
4. Department of Motor Vehicles (State) - I'm sure there are DMV's with competent employees somewhere but in New York DMV workers are just as bad as postal workers.

Just to name a few!! Health Care (Social or otherwise, under Federal guidance) will be what tips this country into mediocrity.

Bottom line: if you're dealing with civil employees (Federal or State or City), you may as speak the universal Section 8 language.

posted on 17 Jun 2013, 09:32

18. Zero0 (Posts: 583; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)


http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.XPD.TOTL.ZS?order=wbapi_data_value_2011+wbapi_data_value+wbapi_data_value-last&sort=desc

We spend a lot of our money on healthcare, despite being among the most wealthy nations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

Yet we're number 33 in life expectancy.

Go figure. Countries who have less money and spend a smaller percentage of it on healthcare actually have better healthcare systems. They probably have free market systems, except for, I don't know, basically all of them.

posted on 16 Jun 2013, 21:12

6. InternetToughGuy (Posts: 1; Member since: 16 Jun 2013)


Story debunked by ZDNet (no link, since I am new, but search under new headline "Congressman denies report claiming NSA can listen to calls without warrants"):

Update at 2:50 p.m. ET on June 16: We're pulling the plug on this story, following Rep. Nadler's comments that debunk CNET's story. In a statement to our sister site, Nadler said: "I am pleased that the administration has reiterated that, as I have always believed, the NSA cannot listen to the content of Americans’ phone calls without a specific warrant." We've left the amended article (post the previous update, below) in tact for transparency, but corrected the headline.

posted on 16 Jun 2013, 23:33 1

12. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5950; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


"the administration has reiterated that, as I have always believed, the NSA cannot listen to the content of Americans’ phone calls without a specific warrant."

This is a distinction without a difference. The warrant part is just the fig leaf that makes everything legal. How do you think the phone calls are listened to the moment a judge has signed the warrant?

posted on 17 Jun 2013, 11:12

19. newuser1 (Posts: 116; Member since: 10 Dec 2010)


they can do anything to you without warrant.

posted on 17 Jun 2013, 02:43

16. rallyguy (Posts: 574; Member since: 13 Mar 2012)


Oh wow, the government denies doing it. Well that makes me feel better. Because the government doesn't lie. (extreme sarcasm)

posted on 17 Jun 2013, 02:10 3

14. jibraihimi (Posts: 695; Member since: 29 Nov 2011)


This is really very sick....... :(

posted on 17 Jun 2013, 11:15 1

20. newuser1 (Posts: 116; Member since: 10 Dec 2010)


this country is totally messed up.

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