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iPhone 5: what our writers think

0. phoneArena posted on 14 Sep 2012, 03:24

The iPhone launch is always a major event in the mobile industry. This year has not been different, as pretty much all of the attention this week was focused on the iPhone 5. We've given you plenty of coverage about the new handset, discussing every single detail of it - from the specs and the design, to the software and carrier support...

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posted on 14 Sep 2012, 03:31 58

1. Ragnarockd (Posts: 47; Member since: 27 Aug 2012)

They seemed satisfied but not impressed....

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 03:49 17

6. AhmadAlsayegh (Posts: 314; Member since: 18 Jul 2011)

The only thing is that we are talking about apple, they are not targeting the tech savvy crowd as much they are targeting the mass public, so my expectation is that apple will sell like hot cakes now that apple established their brand very well, and I would not be shocked if someday apple took stones, printed their logo on them and still could sell them to the public

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 03:55 20

8. bobfreking55 (Posts: 866; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)

because our expectations were set, they were satisfied.

apple was once a leader, once revolutionary. now, they aren't much. they're good and they act like they're the best. The sad part is, the majority of the world thinks it still innovates major stuff and they think the price tag is reasonable since it's the best.

that's why they try ban. they want to be the best without innovating. i hate their plan and I hate their followers - but not the product.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 04:18 5

24. Dr.Android (Posts: 23; Member since: 06 Sep 2012)

i totally agree!

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 04:31 8

29. AppleConspiracy (Posts: 637; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)

It's a wrong perspective. Apple was only revolutionary because they introduced new mobile computing paradigm. It was never about the device itself.

There is a great article from Scott H.http://www.phonearena.com/news/Hyperbole-fatigue-Is-the-iPhone-5-really-14-more-magical_id34398

He argues that this is just a mobile paradigm maturing, so expecting a "revolution" again is not so realistic.

There could be another revolution of course but the question is what ground or sense does it have, when we are just stepped into mature phase of this paradigm.

Everyone is anxious without true reason. They just want revolutions and innovations, like kids wanting movie sequel to be ever more explosive and grandiose.

Apple doesn't care for that. They care for perfecting the perfecting the products, and that was always their goal. It's just that revolution was collateral effect of perfecting something utterly flawed in 2007... but they never wanted revolutions. Now they are doing the same thing - perfecting products, but now everyone wants revoltion again. It's so pointless within this timeframe.

Other manufacturers are just bumbing up specs and everybody call that "innovations". They are not, they are just maturing the paradigm. There are no true innovations yet. It will be when world opens up a new "hole" in its technological infrastructure that combines technology and everyday life.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 05:05 16

37. Daniel.P (Posts: 108; Member since: 14 Jul 2011)

True. Remember Sergey Bubka, the famous Olympic champion pole vaulter, whose record still stands to this day? Well, he broke the world record 35 times, and each time he asked for the bar to be raised with just 1cm, so he could collect the cash prize for a record at each competition. This so-called "salami tactics" is what Apple's game with the iPhone is as well.

It catches up to Androids, which have at least two yearly upgrade cycles now, but always gives extra something that is unique for the platform, be it in software, hardware or design. Since Apple created and owns the platform, it mostly needs to compete against the previous iPhone announced, though.

This holistic approach works like a charm every time - we still got the biggest upgrade in the iPhone's history with the screen going larger, which is what's considered a revolution at Cupertino HQ.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 05:29 5

40. AppleConspiracy (Posts: 637; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)

I'm not familiar with that example, but it's good!

Apple carefully holds their products out of the competition. They are upgrading only in comparison to previous Apple products, and they upgrade only in balanced manner.

This iPhone seemingly didn't bring anything revolutionary since 4 inch screens are there for years, but in context of iPhone, it's the biggest thing they did since first generation.

They are aware of that and they emphasise it even in their main commercials.

However, the society now doesn't separate Apple from others anymore. We compare them more and more every day. Apple should think abou implication of that on the long run. But I'm sure they do think about it. Remarks on how Apple is lazy, uninterested and unaware of competition is something that is probably the stupidest of all thoughts following Apple's introduction of new products in the last couple of years.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 13:08 1

75. MartyK (Posts: 949; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)

" So he could collect the cash prize for a record at each competition".

This is so true, but until the media and the people who job is to test tech and electronic stands up to say," the King has no clothes on" then this corporation will keep getting reward.

You see how every smart phones that comes out, most people call them Iphone, or Apple invented this or that; when anyone who's been around KNOWS they did not....

So as long as they get reviews from cowards or people afraid to upset the King, they will get reward for minor upgrade.

Can HTC-SAmsung-Motorola get the same review that you boys gave Apple for a minor upgrade?...we all know the answer to that question.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 22:11

82. ScottSchneider (Posts: 336; Member since: 06 Dec 2011)

"This holistic approach works like a charm every time - we still got the biggest upgrade in the iPhone's history with the screen going larger, which is what's considered a revolution at Cupertino HQ."

Exactly Said... Good One...

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 05:38

43. TheOldOne (Posts: 196; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)

I don't understand why you got so many thumbs down... is the only interesting post in this page, "our writers' personal views" included!

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 05:46 7

44. neutralguy (Posts: 1152; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)

"He argues that this is just a mobile paradigm maturing, so expecting a "revolution" again is not so realistic."

Basing on what nokia outed, the lumia 920, there's so many rooms for revolution.

If you really want some innovations, put those R&D into real work. Invest more with them.

Perfecting a product without innovating them is like trying to perfect a true or false type of exam by answering letters a b c or d.

This is technology we're talking about. There's no room for "no" innovation. Innovation will continue as time passes by. That's how the world goes.

True, apple was revolutionary. I totally agree with that. The OG iPhone was truly an innovative and ground breaking product. It opened the eyes of so many companies on how things should be treated.

And again, true that bumping specs are not innovations. But bumping those specs by a different process makes it innovative. An example would be PureView. No one can argue here that it's a true innovation.

If I compare nokia and apple, there's a thing I can say. Apple had it, but now, they're not trying their best to offer the best in the market. It's like nokia once again. A decade ago, nokia was like that. They were once best, but let it go. They didn't really focus on producing innovative smartphones, now they're suffering.

If you want to stay on top, don't stop when you established your brand/company name as the best. There's always room for innovation. You just have to look for it, and make a good use for it.

Anyways, +1 for you for giving a decent opinion.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 06:06 4

47. AppleConspiracy (Posts: 637; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)

Nokia is now paying the price of inertness by working hard on forcing the innovation that would "change the game". However, since this is ontologically not the time for paradigm shifting, their efforts will be useless. I appreciate what they are trying to do, but as the introduction and campaign showed, they are no match for Apple's genius of handling the market.

They need to realize that innovation is never on technical level, but ideological. Here lies the upcoming doom of Nokia. Because no matter what they do, it will always be compared to Apple, and this only means that they are not innovating a new system, but only racing within old one.

Nokia did not innovate something paradigmatically different, just aesthetically and technologicaly. It's failure will show that te evental space did not form a void from which a new paradigm could emerge. It's gonna be a while till this happens, and then we'll see if Apple without Steve Jobs' paradigm-changing mind will be able to introduce new stuff.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 07:41 3

54. neutralguy (Posts: 1152; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)

That's my point.

You don't need to create a new paradigm to have something innovative. Nokia's newest flagship is the most innovative smartphone as to date,IMO.

Innovation is the process of improving an existing invention in new ways. What you're saying that innovation is never on technical level is plain wrong. What your pointing out is "marketing". It has nothing to do with innovation. And apple has it. They are good at it. No let me correct that, they're the best in terms of marketing. And that what make them victorious compared to these OEMs.

Nokia on the other hand, is best with improving their products. They always find ways to be the best, but what really brings them down are the mindset of people that nokia is doomed to go down. That having a nokia product will not give you the bragging rights the apple or samsung or even htc's way. No matter how they try, if people really hate the product in no main reason, they won't buy it.

But in what they are pointing out, it would come to the point that, the hype will end especially now that Apple is just playing catch-up game with android. We may not really realize its effect by now, but comes the time that it will end.

I want Apple to relieve the hype, the Steve Jobs' way. The hype together with what you're saying a "paradigm-changing" innovation. I want a true innovation the apple way. I don't want the disappointments every after an announcement.

posted on 15 Sep 2012, 05:58

85. AppleConspiracy (Posts: 637; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)

By "true innovation" you mean paradigm shift.

Did Nokia bring some innovation? Actually, no.

They perfected the existing systems, taking it to the nect quantitative level. Photos and videos are now stable and more beautiful, the screen is faster and of higher quality, charrging is now wireless, user experience is better - but the product itself belongs to the same mobile paradigm established through 2007.

Did Apple bring some innovation in 2007? Actually, yes.
Because they changed paradigm.

They didn't invent any technology, but they assembled it into a product not only qualitatively on higher level than others, but product which *no one has ever been even able to imagine*.

This is the condition for innovation. Unimaginability. The breakthrough from the void, that has not been concievable before.

Now, you (and the whole world) are wrong in both cases: you think that Nokia innovate, and you want for Apple to innovate.

Apple and Nokia cannot innovate right now. They can just improve on existing innovations. Both in their respectable fields. iPhone is not competition to Nokia, it's a competition to itself. It has its own standards which it sets even higer every years. It doesn't care for competiton - not the Apple as a company, but iPhone as a product. They know very well in Apple that this is the only way to keep competition out of the way. And they are pretty successful regardless of "expert" opinions who think they know what innovation is.

posted on 15 Sep 2012, 07:01 1

86. neutralguy (Posts: 1152; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)

What? Nokia as not innovative?

See, you don't need to introduce a new paradigm just to be innovative. We can argue all day long but, that's really wrong.

You can innovate something without shifting the paradigm you're into. Like what you're saying before, perfecting a product. But you can't perfect a product without introducing new ways/innovations to go into your goal.

What you're saying that innovation is paradigm shifting is called revolution. Sure, you can shift the paradigm together with an innovative product, but the thing is, that's called revolution.

Like what all the OEMs are doing this days, they are finding ways to innovate products by staying in the paradigm introduced by Apple from its revolutionary product.

And also, you must be blind by saying that nokia is not an innovative company. GSM? They're one of the pioneers. Without nokia's innovation and also revolution, apple smartphone could have not been existed.

Apple is revolutionary. Nokia is innovative. That's it.

posted on 15 Sep 2012, 07:58 1

88. AppleConspiracy (Posts: 637; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)

To some extent you're right. But I say to "extent" because what you are referring here is technological innovation on a smaller scale. For instance, moving lens on PureView Phase 2 in Nokia's new phone. It is innovation on a scale of camera technology, but only a linear progress, an evolution in making better photographs.

To this level, we could say that Apple also has this kind of "innovation". Not in the same field though, but nevertheless improvement just like Nokia's improvement - they did not introduce tech innovation around camera but they DID MAKE PHOTOS BETTER. In the field of quality of construction, Apple did innovate.

And so we can go to absurdities - endlessly counting the small tech innovations and comparing their number. Besides, who are we to judge on their value - some will say innovating the way something looks or feels is much less valuable than innovating on quality of camera etc. And then we are lost between different qualitative and quantitaive categories.

The point is - Nokia and Apple are innovating, in their respective fields - the small technological solutions and their implementation. But you don't want that. You want BIG stuff.

So far you actually believed that Nokia brought you the BIG stuff. Because some innovations on a small scale you value, and some of them you don't. But that's just your abitrary preference.

posted on 15 Sep 2012, 10:38 1

91. neutralguy (Posts: 1152; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)

I agree with you in the part where you say that as of now, innovations are on small scales or part. In that it can't create a new paradigm you're talking about.

But at the same time, I beg to disagree with you saying that I believed that Nokia brought me the BIG stuf because some innovations on a small scale I value.

The thing is, Nokia is one of the pioneers in this industry anyways. Without it, Apple can't have the GSM as the most fundamental way of connectivity of our mobile devices, (or CDMA in US).

Nokia brought so many big and super innovative stuff in this industry just like how apple revolutionize the smartphone industry.

True, we can argue here as much as we want because we have some different beliefs, but somehow, at least, I can say what I really know and what I really am learning in school(communication and its evolution).

Anyways, kudos for the stuffs you've introduce in this argument. :)

posted on 15 Sep 2012, 12:50 1

97. AppleConspiracy (Posts: 637; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)

Thanks (thumb up).

Nokia undeniably changed the communication paradigm with mobile industry, and developed it for decades with better devices and newer technologies. They even upgraded it to cover other aspects of consumer technology, like photography and multimedia in general.

Nokia pushed others in those areas to improve and give us top-notch devices, and it finished with smartphone.

However, the paradigm then came to its end. End of its "cycle", that is. The next step would be to integrate IT industry with mobile industry.

But in 2007, Apple did it in a right way. I have recently tried to use my old SonyEricsson P900 touchscreen smartphone. I was shocked by the fact that I called it "smartphone" back then. It's almost unusable. And it's more usable than Nokia or Samsung "smartphones" from that time.

The way we use smartphone today is nothing similar to smartphones from that pre-iPhone era.

Nokia was revolutionary, and then Apple was. But both companies cannot deliver another true revolution within their systems.

This paradigm will probably also come to an end and then there will be space opened for new things, which will somebody turn in their advantage.

This also reminds me on changing MP3 paradigm. MP3 players today are dead in symbolic sense of the word. They are not a sign anymore. Apple was the king of this paradigm but now even Apple can't control it, because they are their own death. Because of iPhone, iPod fell to the second... pardon, third place. And whole industry followed.

BTW the same thing is happening with cameras. No more need for standalone consumer cameras, as those technologies converge.

So, those dynamics of the industry I would call revolutions. Change of systems.

Apple is not currently making it, neither does Nokia. It's not realistic to expect innovations except on a small scale in purpose of upgrading the quality, efficacy, aesthetics, build quality etc.

Samsung is trying something with the Note, but that's another long story...

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 16:13 1

80. lyndon420 (Posts: 5017; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)

Too bad apple doesn't care too much what their customers want. Before the big unveil there were some concept videos floating around that had hologram displays and a virtual laser keyboard. Now I know these concepts are just that, and concepts rarely move beyond that, but the fact that some ifans put these together shows that someone is dreaming of something more for their iPhones. The way I see it, Google can just sit this year out and either take a break or focus on something else for awhile because they have more than enough phones (from last year even) that outshine the iphone5. Kinda sad when last year's tech out does this year's tech from the worlds richest company.

posted on 15 Sep 2012, 05:45

84. AppleConspiracy (Posts: 637; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)

How many times do I need to say this: it's never about the technology. Technology itself is irrelevant.

It's all about projecting meaning on a product or even sign. This meaning is ultimately the only true relevant thing about smartphones.
iPhone is the most advanced device in this term - everything it has is perfectly harmonious in terms of its meaning to consumers and what they do with it.

So, meaning. And Android has still a lot meaning to create to catch up with iPhone.

Actually, the Google's enormous efforts, and also Nokia's and Microsofts' ones, are focused on achieveing some meaning to be able to even start to compete with Apple in this matter.

posted on 15 Sep 2012, 12:15

93. lyndon420 (Posts: 5017; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)

What do you mean? Lol

posted on 15 Sep 2012, 13:33

98. AppleConspiracy (Posts: 637; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)

I mean what I have written.

posted on 17 Sep 2012, 12:33

102. JohnZimmerman (Posts: 15; Member since: 17 Sep 2012)

Come on now. Let's be realistic. No man-made device is "perfectly harmonious" with anything in nature.

We're not talking about perfect slabs of apple-branded gold floating in the heavenly iClouds (versus whatever those unGodly google devices are which lack so much meaning to consumers.)
We're talking about phones, whose meaning to each consumer is different depending on the consumer's perspective.
To me, an iPhone means a relatively fast and stable smartphone with all the features and applications I like to use, and an android phone means a similarly fast but less stable smartphone with all the features and applications I like to use.

To others, the devices mean much different things, which make iPhones or android phones more appealing to them.

Technology is very relevant. Without comparable speed, the iPhone would mean something less desirable to me than an android phone. But for now, I prefer iPhones (with my limited little perspective).

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 09:11

63. Fallout09 (Posts: 421; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)

College Humor said it best..... "COASTING. From now we will be coasting"

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 04:03 4

14. anywherehome (Posts: 971; Member since: 13 Dec 2011)

of course, officially it is "iPhone 4 SS" = iPhone 5 :)

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 06:14

50. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)

i agree with all of them. really nice article and thoughts from all the writers! it's the new iPhone, not iPhone 5! Steve jobs would never agree to this, cause its to "LONG" and doesn't look right....

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 08:26 1

56. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)

Of these, I think I agree with Michael, Daniel, and Nick the most.
John V's words embodied exactly what I expect from apple buyers. "Yes, it's better, but wait until next year!", compared to recent sentiments for Android, especially Samsung, along the lines of "This is the best device they know how to make, it's awesome, and I'm beyond satisfied", or Windows Phone, "This is nicely different, well-done, and the efforts for hardware and software are very impressive, as they focus more towards overall and individual quality and experience rather than insignificant benchmarks and upping the spec sheet for the sake of it."

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 08:31 1

58. zuckerboy (banned) (Posts: 898; Member since: 22 Dec 2011)

seems we have to wait next year to see impressive phones ...

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 03:38 1

2. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)

their opinions are similar to ours and many around the world.......which will indeed influence the number of sales this time around

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 03:48 6

5. E.N. (Posts: 2610; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)

It's not really about the iPhone 5. At this point its Android OS vs iOS vs Windows - chose which you want. Even if Apple added NFC, and wireless charging, and even if the iPhone 5 proves to be one of the fastest LTE devices on the market, the people who don't want one, don't want one. That's fine, all the power to everyone and whichever OS/device they choose. Just don't break into my home and attack me (or worse disconnect my wifi) while I'm pre-ordering.

...and just kidding about "or worse" part. Obviously being attacked is worse. *I feel the need to clarify so the fandroids don't actually believe I value the iPhone 5 more than I do my life.*

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