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Yes, Nokia's X phones are Android-based, but will regular users know, or care?

0. phoneArena posted on 28 Feb 2014, 23:57

Nokia has turned to Android for its new family of affordable smartphones, but most users may not see these devices as "Android phones" - and they may not care what OS they're using...

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posted on 01 Mar 2014, 09:29

49. VZWuser76 (Posts: 4752; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)

So why not ramp up production on the 500 series Lumia devices, rather than split resources between them and the X series? If they can't keep them on the shelves, why wouldn't you throw the resources for the X at increasing production of the 500 series?

When you mentioned hardware constraints, did you actually mean hardware requirements? If so, while android doesn't have any per se, if the hardware is too low it will be a dog. WP needs less in terms of resources to run smoothly, so it would do better with lesser hardware.

No MS doesn't have to pay Google anything to use stock android, but they don't have to pay themselves to use WP either. I know Nokia isn't a part of MS yet legally, but let's face it, for all intents and purposes, they are.

As far as cost, like I said above, the lumia 500 series phones are the same price or cheaper compared to the X line, so that makes no sense why it'd be better to go with the X series over the Lumias. If the X phones were cheaper than the Lumias it would make sense, but they're not.

On the subject of apps, again why not use what you have (Lumia 500 series) and make an emulator to run android apps? There was already a story on this a few days back. The cost to do that would be cheaper than designing and producing three new phone models along with the cost of changing android for their liking.

My whole point is, if MS wants people in their ecosystem using their services, why not use an actual WP device to do so? By using android to be their gateway, it almost sounds like either they're not confident in their OS, or they're trying to trick people into their ecosystem using a lumia phone in android clothing. While true stock android doesn't involve Google at all, that's what the majority of people think of when looking at an Android phone, the same way some people call every android phone a Droid. The author points out that Amazon has done this with great success, but the difference is Amazon didn't have an OS before android, and MS does, so why not use it? You bring up that they want a device to sell that's available before the 8.1 update goes live. So are WPs unusable without 8.1?

They're spending quite a bit to r&d the device and it's iteration of android, when they have an in house solution. I don't get how android is cheaper for them when compared to using their own operating system. Are they having to pay themselves for it's use?

posted on 01 Mar 2014, 20:10

60. elitewolverine (Posts: 5192; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)

I wonder the same thing, but more than likely app gap currently and because the hardware in these phones at this time are not win8 capable.

While 8.1 will allow it, when these go on sale with the hardware that was designed months prior, it just wasn't 'feasable'.

Also while droid requires more resources, it doesn't have the all inclusive play services that give me a headache in tech care every day for crashing.

I think it was more a double edge sword, emerging markets where droid is highly popular and launching an entire new os to them such as win8 or 8.1 would have been much harder than to just code a fork of android.

I find it silly like you do, but we can only guess at the motivation. I am thinking patents, and emerging markets where 521 hardware may not work with others nicely.

posted on 03 Mar 2014, 19:08

71. bhinibirocha (Posts: 2; Member since: 03 Mar 2014)

I wish they would bring back windows mobile 2003 se on today's hardware specs i bet it would be fast. Just my two cents. :)

posted on 01 Mar 2014, 06:11

42. Whateverman (Posts: 3284; Member since: 17 May 2009)

Ive wondered the same thing. We always see stories of Nokia just killing with their low end devices for the emerging markets. If that's true, why not expand that market instead of taking a whole other os, stripping it, customizing it to look almost like a 520, then tell these "non tech savvy" consumers they can sideload apps instead of having the Play Store? This just seems like a huge waste to me and Microsoft ifs more concerned with sticking it to Google, and not so much with listening to what people say they want. So will people care? Many will not, but after seeing this side by side with unforkred Android device I think many will feel like this was a bait and switch.

posted on 01 Mar 2014, 09:44

50. VZWuser76 (Posts: 4752; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)

That's what I thought myself. Elitewolverine said using android was cheaper, but not when you factor in r&d on the X line and changing android to fit their needs.

Using an emulator to run android apps on WP makes much more sense. You still get access to the apps. But I think the reason they aren't doing that is image. It would make them look like WP isn't as capable as android. Here they're producing an android phone that runs with android apps, but you'd have to side load them since you don't have access to the Play store.

Which bring up two potential problems, piracy and malware. These people are going to have to sideload the apk files, and for paid apps how are they going to pay the developer? Short answer, they aren't, so this is almost like MS endorsing piracy of android developer's apps. I wonder if those same developers are going to want to create apps for an OS where its parent company was behind taking money away from them. Second, malware could be a problem as well. When side loading an apk file, there is always that risk that it could be malware. When installing apps using the Play store, there is some peace of mind knowing that those apk files have been vetted. But downloading and installing them outside the Play store offers no such protection. You take a risk every time you do it, and that's the OS MS wants these people to buy into? No thanks.

posted on 06 Mar 2014, 11:15

72. Jason78 (Posts: 279; Member since: 10 Apr 2013)

The Nokia 520 was released Feb 25,2013 and cost $185 when first released. It is selling for $60 today because it is a year old and has been replaced by the Lumia 525. Nokia is getting rid of old stock at a big discount. The Lumia 525 costs $185. That is a lot more than the X phones especially in developing countries.

You can't compare prices of a new phone to one that is a year old.

posted on 01 Mar 2014, 02:08

25. noteseries (Posts: 80; Member since: 29 Oct 2013)

all i need is HERE maps on my note3, when will it happen?-_-!

posted on 02 Mar 2014, 20:39

67. Kaiser2007 (Posts: 173; Member since: 16 Nov 2013)

You can install Nokia Store when they release it.
Or, ask XDA:http://www.phonearena.com/news/Nokia-Xs-Nokia-Store-ported-over-to-other-Android-devices_id53367

posted on 01 Mar 2014, 03:03 1

31. dratomic (Posts: 483; Member since: 09 Oct 2013)

i care because of that girl whos holdin it :)))

posted on 01 Mar 2014, 05:04 1

36. XperiaFanZone (Posts: 2223; Member since: 21 Sep 2012)

Not after it lags soon.

posted on 01 Mar 2014, 05:30

40. AfterShock (Posts: 3698; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)

I suspect this back firing.
Once users see, android is all that an runs good on low end hardware using these phones their choice of OS may be challenged as a sham with migration to a better phone afterwards powered by android.
Not one charading as a full os.

posted on 01 Mar 2014, 06:03

41. kabhijeet.16 (Posts: 813; Member since: 05 Dec 2012)

The only think in favour of Nokia Android devices is its Price. It will be a sure hit if priced below Lumia520.
But this might also bite Nokia. If these phones perform well, due to WP UI on Nokia X's, WP will gain popularity.
However, if opposite happens, even Lumia line will be destroyed..
And as per WP Fans, android is pathetic.. That means Nokia X's are pathetic. That means WP is affected. Coz common people dont know/care about OS. So, they should be ready for devastation of WP.

posted on 01 Mar 2014, 08:24

47. jroc74 (Posts: 6019; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)

All those saying it wont work ...see Kindle Fire. All those saying it wont care or matter its associated with Android....every Kindle article mentions Android. "Android based"

Only way it wont matter is those who dont research it, read articles online.

posted on 01 Mar 2014, 08:47

48. kindlefireowner (Posts: 503; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)

Why are American writers, and the Fandroids talking about the Nokia X like it's being released here in the states. It's not, so your dream of seeing Nokia make an Android phone is over.
The phone was made for first time smartphone users in emerging markets. Do you actually think most of them care about the side loading of apps when they will have thousands of apps available to them. Everytime they show the X, I see the red Opera icon. Take it from a person that owns the first Kindle Fire. Forked android is not that bad.

posted on 01 Mar 2014, 09:53 1

51. VZWuser76 (Posts: 4752; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)

So because I live in the US, I cant have any opinions except for what hapoens in the US?

See my reply to whateverman above. When side loading apps you aren't able to pay developers for paid apps, which leads to piracy. Unlessnthe developer wants to host the app themselves of course. Also, whenever you sideload an app, you do run the risk of malware. It's not as safe as using the Play store that's for sure.

posted on 01 Mar 2014, 14:03 1

56. kindlefireowner (Posts: 503; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)

The Fandroids on this page look at the Nokia X like Nokia was their girlfriend who broke up with them, and now is dating their 3rd cousin on their mama's side. In their mind, they can't stop thinking about what could've been.
It's just a phone people.

posted on 01 Mar 2014, 14:35

57. papss (unregistered)

If they are anything like most android users then no they won't know.. Goes with the intelligence of the user base.

posted on 01 Mar 2014, 22:29

61. VZWuser76 (Posts: 4752; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)

Ignorant users who bash on what they don't like is limited to any one OS either apparently.

posted on 01 Mar 2014, 18:22

58. rkoforever90 (Posts: 284; Member since: 03 Dec 2011)

i dont think most of the people really dont care , they just buy samsung because its popular many dont know samsung sony htc and zillion othe chinese oems runs on android . basically its about availability of apps than the os

posted on 02 Mar 2014, 06:01

62. Arnav (Posts: 5; Member since: 23 Feb 2014)


posted on 02 Mar 2014, 07:24

63. 7thspaceman (Posts: 1580; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)

New smart phone buyers are more likely to buy something like a Nokia XL then seasoned buyers because I= they think with their pocket book. 2= they are not a fan of any type of
smart phone because they have never had one and invested a lot of time and money buying and using apps for it. A nokia XL for instance is a 5 inch android smart phone that if it was sold in the USA would cost 138 USA dollars plus tax's lock stock and barrel. A lot of USA New to smartphone buyers would buy it and love it despite it's faults because it's cheap and they did not have to sign a contract to OWN it. They do not know it does not have as many app as other smart phones have. Hell it's cheap! they might not even care about that. Folks I think the Nokia XL Android smart phone will come to the USA in a more advanced form. when it does it will be a hit with new to smart phone buyers. even some seasoned Android folks would buy it why it will cost 150 bucks cheap or nothing on contract why not.

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