Will you disable Apple's power management if your older iPhone could shut down?

Apple did the right thing after the whole older-iPhones-get-throttled controversy, and, besides $29 battery replacement service, will be giving users the right to choose whether they want a performance hit but stable operations, or would gamble on current peaks that can force an aging battery to shut the handset down in certain scenarios...
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66 Comments

1. Zack_2014

Posts: 677; Member since: Mar 25, 2014

Why does this have to happen with iPhones only?

2. mootu

Posts: 1360; Member since: Mar 16, 2017

It's due to Apple using cheaper smaller cells that have to be charged more often which leads to faster degradation. If they had spent a few dollars more for cells that can take 600 or 1000 charge cycles the problem would not exist.

4. shaineql

Posts: 520; Member since: Apr 28, 2014

They have 1000 ish charge cycles , but you use those twice as fast compared to Android phones with 3000mah+ cells

5. mootu

Posts: 1360; Member since: Mar 16, 2017

iPhones have no where near a rating for 1000 charge cycles, why do you think the warranty on their cells is only 1 year. It's more likely they are rated around 300 cycles. They are $4 cells.

28. yann

Posts: 604; Member since: Jul 15, 2010

Very, very biased article, masked as poll. "Apple did the right thing..." How slowing down performance with 60-70%, without to inform the client(user) is right thing?!? The whole case lead to following thoughts: 1. Apple force you to buy new iPhone; 2. Apple force you to change your battery. If battery itself cost 4-5-7-10$ why they charge you 29$, not to mention 79?!? How Tim Cook explain as pure lie: we just take fraction of the performance... Fraction? 60-70% is a fraction??? And you poll is just masked advertisement of Apple.

43. deleon629

Posts: 437; Member since: Oct 04, 2014

Reading your post shows the benefit of Tim Cook's lie: The enhanced obsolescence of their products is the reason why they get sold equally as fast as they hit the shelves, in addition to having higher resale values as well, because no iPhone user ever gets the full usage of their device to the same degree as would a premium Android user: Premium Android users have the features of a small computer in-hand, and this puts a heck of a lot of 'wear and tear' on a device. So is everything you said unethical? Yes. Does it guarantee more money in the short run? YES.

13. sgodsell

Posts: 6710; Member since: Mar 16, 2013

The thing is Apple right now is in full control of the speed of all your iPhones. You have no say. Also Apple could hide things like faulty SoCs that might fail and reboot at regular clock rates, but might not fail at all at lower clock rates. Apple could point the problem at a battery issue. But in reality it would require an iPhone replacement, and since it's clock speed is reduced some users would never notice if they browse the web, or do task that don't tax the iPhones SoC. This iPhone that needs to have a recall could slip right by, and Apple gets by Scott free. Talk about shady.

9. DolmioMan

Posts: 290; Member since: Jan 08, 2018

Nothing to do with that, just the availability of batteries, even the suppliers are having trouble keeping up with 500 cycle batteries just for replacements. The problem is iPhone parts draw more power when on full tilt. This issue affects the Nexus 6P and surely other phones.

18. Leo_MC

Posts: 6323; Member since: Dec 02, 2011

A fully charged iPhone with good battery can be used for ~6-7h; that's at least on par with a 3k mAh Android device (the Plus version gets to 10h, which is way more than similar Android devices manage). So you are simply wrong.

50. wando77

Posts: 1166; Member since: Aug 23, 2012

iPhones on par with Android battery.....lol Only on PhoneArena and in your head. ALL my iPhone using friends run out of battery part way through the day. Android friends.....hardly ever

17. Leo_MC

Posts: 6323; Member since: Dec 02, 2011

800+ cycles here with the battery at 90% of initial power - 1 year of usage.

20. Back_from_beyond

Posts: 1137; Member since: Sep 04, 2015

800+ cycles in 1 year time, I think you qualify as a iPhone addict then, either that or battery life is much worse than you stated in your other comment.

31. Leo_MC

Posts: 6323; Member since: Dec 02, 2011

I bought the phone to use it.

22. tedkord

Posts: 17076; Member since: Jun 17, 2009

You're completely contradicting yourself - you claim the iPhone has battery life on par with other phones, yet you've got 800 charge cycles on your's in a year, which means you're fully charging it more than twice per day, which means it's got pretty poor battery life.

32. Leo_MC

Posts: 6323; Member since: Dec 02, 2011

Or it means I have very busy days and I truly am a power user.

36. cmdacos

Posts: 3807; Member since: Nov 01, 2016

So youre confirming what I already knew. The throttling isn't because of battery degredation...

55. Leo_MC

Posts: 6323; Member since: Dec 02, 2011

I was just saying something about the battery, I don't know anything about throttling.

38. tedkord

Posts: 17076; Member since: Jun 17, 2009

Based on your own numbers, you'd need to be screen on for 13.5-15 hours per day. That's pretty much your entire waking day, when you include the 2-3 hours it takes to charge it back up. I suspect that what it actually means is you made up your numbers of 800 cycles and 90% capacity and had no idea what a charge cycle meant.

56. Leo_MC

Posts: 6323; Member since: Dec 02, 2011

Your calculations are incorrect.

52. vincelongman

Posts: 5601; Member since: Feb 10, 2013

I call BS Apple claims that only 500 cycles will degrade iPhone batteries to below 80%https://www.apple.com/batteries/service-and-recycling/

57. Leo_MC

Posts: 6323; Member since: Dec 02, 2011

The right way to interpret things is: your battery is warranted to hold at least 80% of power with 500 full cycles; it can very well hold 90 or 95%, but it won't go down less than 80.

59. vincelongman

Posts: 5601; Member since: Feb 10, 2013

Unfortunately its the other way round "Your battery is designed to retain up to 80% of its original capacity at 500 complete charge cycles." i.e. on average after 500 cycles it will retain up to 80% Perhaps 70%, 75%, 65%, but not more than 80%

61. Leo_MC

Posts: 6323; Member since: Dec 02, 2011

Again: you are wrong. I, for instance, have 90% with 800 cycles.

63. vincelongman

Posts: 5601; Member since: Feb 10, 2013

Well you must have got a golden iPhone battery or the report is f**ked Since Apple themselves 500 cycles it will only retain a max of 80%

64. Leo_MC

Posts: 6323; Member since: Dec 02, 2011

I have told you before: you misunderstood. Apple is saying that the battery will retain AT LEAST 80% of its original capacity for the first 500 complete cycles; it can retain 99% or it can retain 81% - any number is correct as long as it's over 80. And it drops under 80% only after 500 complete cycles; it can take 501 or 1001 a any number is correct as long as it is bigger than 500. Anything other than that, it means that the device is flawed and it will be fixed/changed for free (while in the warranty time limit) by Apple.

65. vincelongman

Posts: 5601; Member since: Feb 10, 2013

Unfortunately that's not how batteries work Just read Apple's official statement word for wordhttps://www.apple.com/batteries/service-and-recycling/ "Your battery is designed to retain up to 80% of its original capacity at 500 complete charge cycles." "RETAIN UP TO 80%" i.e. perhaps 80%, 70%, 75%, 65%, but not more than 80% Not "AT LEAST 80%" as you claim

66. Leo_MC

Posts: 6323; Member since: Dec 02, 2011

I can't stop you from being dumb, if that's how you want to be.

21. piyath

Posts: 2445; Member since: Mar 23, 2012

Wrong answer. Apple never uses cheap components in their products ever like some Android manufacturers. This battery issue is universal, it even effects android phones. The thing is android people do not notice this battery degradation due to larger mAh capacities in their batteries. Even that reason is maybe irrelevant in this case as this is all about peak current flow for power hungry heavy tasks, not the typical current for normal usage. Yes Apple has rated their batteries to have 1000 full charge cycles without degradation, beyond that point Lithium ion batteries will start to lose their charge and thus performance of the phone.

26. Back_from_beyond

Posts: 1137; Member since: Sep 04, 2015

For iPhones Apple uses batteries that only go 400 cycles before they expect a battery capacity to drop below 80% due to degradation. I'd call that pretty cheap since most people expect them to last 2 years and Apple only expects them to last 1 year at best.

33. Leo_MC

Posts: 6323; Member since: Dec 02, 2011

"Apple has rated their batteries to have 1000 full charge cycles without degradation" Apple has not done such a stupid thing; they rated the battery as capable of "retain up to 80% of its original capacity at 500 complete charge cycles". That's 2y for the average Joe.

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