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Why some “4G” phones are not quite 4G

0. phoneArena posted on 16 Sep 2011, 08:51

In today's state of the market, one of the most touted and sought-after features in phones is 4G. Indeed, the ability to take advantage of much faster data speeds, compared to what we had just a year ago, is nothing short of awesome...

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posted on 16 Sep 2011, 16:09

76. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

also, bio,
here is a scenario

Say Tmobile doesnt merge and survives on its own. It has said that it will go to LTE-A in a few years. IF that happens, then Tmobile will not only have LTE-A but it will also have 84mb/s HSPA+ to fall back on, not 1.5mbs CDMA

and its still cheaper than everyone else.

posted on 16 Sep 2011, 14:50

58. Whateverman (Posts: 3284; Member since: 17 May 2009)

What plan makes T Mobile 60% cheaper? There's no denying they are cheaper, but that sounds a bit high.

posted on 16 Sep 2011, 14:58

59. Whateverman (Posts: 3284; Member since: 17 May 2009)

Never mind. Just looked it up, and yeah. VZW has no defense against that kinda pricing! And I love VZW, so that's a bitter pill to swallow.

posted on 16 Sep 2011, 15:40

66. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

Value plan. Unlimited talk text and 2gig of 4g data before throttle.. 59.99 :) 5 gigs for 70 VZW is 130 or 140 for 4gig of data plus overage (too lazy to look it up ATM lol).

which is why my point continues to be, if both are blazing fast, and both have full service where you live, why WOULDNT you be on Tmobile instead of VZW?

posted on 16 Sep 2011, 15:47

68. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

I love VZW as well. They are the best company for total coverage and speed if you live in a LTE area. If im not on Tmo, ill be back on VZW. But if they both work in your area, why the heck would you pay the price difference? Just to brag that you pay more?? lol

posted on 16 Sep 2011, 16:03

74. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

are you for real? there is no sgs2 quad core. its a dual core. OI.

posted on 16 Sep 2011, 09:58

9. Marcus Edwards (unregistered)

I have an evo 3d and a mt4g and my mt4g is way faster than my evo.

posted on 16 Sep 2011, 10:00

10. milan03 (unregistered)

Just to add ATT infuse 4G is their only 21mbps device as its category 10.

posted on 16 Sep 2011, 10:01

11. pt (unregistered)

The infuse actually has the higher speed classification.

posted on 16 Sep 2011, 10:10

12. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

ATT doesnt have a single phone that is actually "4g". Their HSPA+ only goes up to 12mb/s. Evil empire lies again. Suprised they didnt call the iphone4- 4g.. lol

posted on 16 Sep 2011, 10:42

16. applesauce (unregistered)

You should re-read the article. HSPA+ has a theoretical top speed around (or maybe exceeding!) 100Mbps, which is what T-Mobile is aiming for in the next few years, and why they haven't devoted mcuh to LTE, focusing on the AWS spectrum instead. All of AT&T's "4G"-branded phones get up to 14.4 Mbps (not 12 as you state erroneously), and the Infuse gets up to 21. Granted, Verizon offers LTE speeds of up to 30 Mbps right now, but most speeds are between 12 and 22 Mbps, which is in the same ballpark as the HSPA+ currently available from AT&T, but network congestion and signal strength rarely allow the AT&T's non-Infuse phones much above 11 Mbps. However, once AT&T launches their LTE network (Sunday) they'll be able to offer LTE customers similar experiences as the Verizon LTE customers: higher consistent speeds with lower congestion, but with the added bonus unavailable to Verizon customers: HSPA+ to fall back on when LTE isn't available, compared to Verizon's CDMA "3G" (closer to 2G) which maxxes around 2-3 Mbps. And with LTE still under development and expansion (and with AT&T's lower data prices), I'd much rather go with AT&T for my high-speed data needs, between the two. But I have T-Mobile so it's theoretical in my case

Oh, and the iPhone? Yeah, it maxxes at 7.2, the same as the other 3G phones, so it doesn't qualify for the 4G moniker.

I do agree that no phone or device on the market should be labeled as 4G, but thanks to Sprint who started the whole thing with the Evo 4G, Verizon and T-Mobile started doing it, then after the ITU ruling about changing the name, AT&T started doing it as well

posted on 16 Sep 2011, 11:35

25. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

phone capability and network capability are not the same thing. ATT HSPA+ is network capped at 12mbps.

posted on 16 Sep 2011, 12:57

42. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

and vzw's real world CDMA maxes out around 1-1.5 mbps.

yes, ATT's fall back speeds will definately be faster, but as of right now they dont have true 4G service through HSPA+, no matter what the phone says it can do, it can only go as fast as the network will let it, which is 12mb/s. Who knows what their LTE speeds will be. I have a sneaking feeling they wont be near VZWs speeds but something lower and capped, which means they would still be slower than VZW and Tmobile.

posted on 16 Sep 2011, 10:21

15. WirelessCon (Posts: 311; Member since: 11 May 2010)

False advertising. Isn't there regulations about false advertising?

AT&T makes people have 4G plans even though their phone isn't 4G.

It's criminal. Why hasn't an advocacy group done something about this?

posted on 16 Sep 2011, 11:05

23. nb2six (Posts: 298; Member since: 27 Apr 2011)

the price point for the plans is exactly the same no matter what device you have. The feature is just given a different name.

I still agree it's a joke that the BBB lets companies get away with stuff like this. I don't know how many times throughout my day I have to explain to a customer that they have been mislead by advertising.

posted on 16 Sep 2011, 11:42

26. darth8ball (Posts: 520; Member since: 02 Aug 2011)

actually I looked online just now and the 5GB data for 3g is 60 a month and just 50 for 4g

posted on 17 Sep 2011, 12:07

94. hepresearch (unregistered)

It costs money to file a complaint with the "Better Business Bureau"... therefore, few people bother to do so, and since few people file complaints, the people at the BBB sit back until someone does pay them. They probably get more money from corporate bribes than they do from people filing complaints. Hence, why should the BBB bother "investigating" the people who actually pay them to do nothing at all?

posted on 16 Sep 2011, 10:46

18. bluechrism (Posts: 99; Member since: 09 Sep 2011)

Agree that this is false advertising. To be honest, phone should ditch specification monkers from their names, be it speed, screen size, overhyped 3D,disk size or camera size, unless there is a version of the exact same phone which doesn't have the feature.

But specs like this should be accurate. T-Mo's 4G network will be significantly fatser once they role out devices at 42mbps than their 21mbps offerings, but what are they going to do there - call it 5G, or start adding "42" to device names - "Samsung Galaxy S II 42" for example. Just because something is significanly faster, doesn't make it meet the standard to deserve the name.

Incidently, early on this applied to verizon, and is probably going to be true for many companies at some point, but I read that the initial LTE speeds (first LTE devices, on new network) were slower that HSPA+ speeds. Still 4G?

As for cable companies, they should advertise speeds which represent a realistic average too.

posted on 16 Sep 2011, 10:50

19. YeahBOyy (unregistered)

No one cares what technology is behind the faster speed as long as it's faster. If T-Mobile upgraded their towers from 48 MB to 96 then to 192 by years end no one would care about battery hogging LTE or WiMax or what the ITC initially said. Just deliever the speeds in the most effective and battery efficient way as possible :)

posted on 16 Sep 2011, 11:02

21. gallitoking (Posts: 4721; Member since: 17 May 2011)

a few weeks when i said that most phones were not even 4g that in Canada and Mexico they dio have truly 4G speeds.. now ... the truth comes out... told you who are the sheeps now... beeeeee

and the as expected.. the fandroids dispute anything that is not in their favor...

posted on 16 Sep 2011, 11:49

28. darth8ball (Posts: 520; Member since: 02 Aug 2011)

since there is no 4g iPhone what do the isheep care about whether it is truly 4g or not.
BTW back in 08 when I moved to a new place while waiting for Fios to be installed I ran my computer off my Tmo HTC Dash and it did a better than expected job.
Data speeds depend on location, traffic, time of day and device used. so one persons crap speeds could be anothers high speed download.

posted on 16 Sep 2011, 11:54 1

29. gallitoking (Posts: 4721; Member since: 17 May 2011)

because a few topics ago... they were bragging that a 3g phone was outdated and I responded by saying that most of the phones out there were not truly 4g... it just showed me how ignorants fandroids can be... believing their plastic phone has 4G speeds...

did you understand or you want me to go kindergarten on you

posted on 16 Sep 2011, 12:35

36. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

Darthball gets crushed by logic and facts( a fandroids worst enemy)

posted on 16 Sep 2011, 12:59

43. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

whats worse, believing advertising saying that your phone is 4g, when its not... or thinking your phone is 4g because it has the number 4 in it? lolol.

what was it, 25% of iphone4 users think its 4g?? lolol

posted on 16 Sep 2011, 12:38 2

38. p0rkguy (Posts: 685; Member since: 23 Nov 2010)

Sadly, your same message applies more on iPhone users than Android users.
iPhone 4 is believed to be a "4G" phone.
Android phones that moniker the 4G actually have chips for a better network when compared to 3G.

Also, next time you try to quote the uneducated Android users, you're going to be responded with all the uneducated iPhone users which their lack of knowledge on their own device which is second to none. But that's okay, iPhone users are paying a premium price for it, might as well believe in premium service.

posted on 16 Sep 2011, 12:56 1

41. corporateJP (Posts: 2458; Member since: 28 Nov 2009)

Porkguy smashed that nail on the head.

posted on 16 Sep 2011, 14:12

53. gallitoking (Posts: 4721; Member since: 17 May 2011)

ok ok ...lets get something straight...

iPhone 4 is believed to be a "4G" phone.
hmmm by whom?.. uneducated apple user,,, we can include them and I can prove Android user are dumber than those 20% that think the "4" in the iphone was meant for the 4G..

Android phones that moniker the 4G actually.... hmm this was an easy one... Android lies ... read the title of this article.. ok ..."Why some “4G” phones are not quite 4G"... forgat the uneducated Androids... the only one that has the best coverage in 4G is VRZ.. and only have 4phones in 4G all crap except for the overrrated Bionic...... Sprint and T-mo we all know they dont have 4g so i wont even go there... ATT well you heard barely rolling LTE ... so please educate on 4G again porky... and all the goodnes of it... please... get this straight....only a few.. FEW really enjoy 4G... bet you are not one of the... F..E..W.. for the slow Android readers...

posted on 16 Sep 2011, 14:50

57. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

like always, you have no idea what your talking about

Tmobile still has the widest "4g" coverage of every carrier.

And your an idiot, everyone has 4g except ATT, by IPCC standards.

posted on 17 Sep 2011, 02:12

87. p0rkguy (Posts: 685; Member since: 23 Nov 2010)

Did I hurt you too hard? Why are you getting so emotional about it by being direct with just me? You bet I'm not one of the few that are able to enjoy it?
Why change the subject?
Fact is over 1/3 of iPhone users believe it's 4G, why? I don't even know why, they don't even have the ability to turn on the moniker'd "4G".
Fact is that those Android phones that are able to moniker "4G" actually have a switch to turn on 4G.
Android users believe in their devices.
Apple users believe in the bulls**t your savior Jobs fed to you when you didn't know a single damn thing about technology. Now go along and tell your friends about how much you know about technology because you know how to use an iPhone.

posted on 16 Sep 2011, 13:00

44. darth8ball (Posts: 520; Member since: 02 Aug 2011)

The article is saying that the network is not capable of delivering the speeds to max out the capabilities of the devices. As the network improves the devices can reach their maximum potential but if you only have a 3g than that is your max.

If you spend alot of money on computer that has a 4gb processor and it only has 1gb of front bus speed your processor can only receive data at 25% of it's capabilities. So why do you need 4gb proccessing speed?

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