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Why Motorola will not be the exclusive Android manufacturer

0. phoneArena posted on 19 Aug 2011, 16:40

The debate has been going on since Google announced a deal to acquire Motorola, but now Gene Munster of Piper Jaffray has weighed in on the debate. He's putting real numbers to a hypothetical situation to tell us what we likely already knew...

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posted on 19 Aug 2011, 20:30 1

10. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

I would really hope that either Moto or LG buys up palm and uses some WebOS in their overlays instead of what they have. Sammy and HTC have a pretty solid system built in, Moto and especially LG need a way to vitalize and differentiate from other androids. Blur was a good theory but it was too much damage for too long before it was fixed a bit. And LG's system is a generic touchwiz rip off that is unstable.

One of you two.. buy palm! lol

posted on 19 Aug 2011, 20:37

13. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2720; Member since: 26 May 2011)

Given that Google owns Moto, would Moto even be allowed to buy webOS?

posted on 19 Aug 2011, 21:21

17. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)

Maybe Google buys webos and uses it to make Android more robust and user friendly

posted on 19 Aug 2011, 22:10

20. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

if they are still running as a "seperate company", then i dont see why not. Especially if they add the cards in and take out some of Blur. :)

posted on 19 Aug 2011, 21:50 1

19. Whateverman (Posts: 3284; Member since: 17 May 2009)

If Google software engineers re-wrote the code themselves, great. But it would have to be an app, redesigned with a more updated look and feel, and it still shouldn't call it Blur. I appreciate some people do like it just the way it is, but for me and many others, just the word Blur makes my lip curl in disgust. Motorola software is always horrible. Even my Motorola cable box has glitches that no tech has been able to explain or get rid of. Google need to clean house in the software department and maybe give the design team a stern warning, "You guys could be next if you don't freshen up the Droid line."

posted on 19 Aug 2011, 20:15

5. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)

As you said motorola could be used to pump Google TV but it can also be the horse Android at home needs. I bet you where impressed with the docks on the atrix something similar could become part of the Android system providing a feature rich system operating from 1-2 devices for everything at home. And creating a media rich experience. Also now Google has a much easy access to new hardware and lead better development. I think out of all the possible way for Google to recover the invested money giving Motorola certain exclusivity is the least lucrative one

posted on 19 Aug 2011, 21:06

14. VZW4LIFE (Posts: 34; Member since: 11 Jun 2011)

With individuals as stupid as, Gene Munster; the mystery as to, "Why is the United State's financial health is at risk?" has been solved. He probably thought he would share his, "bulls**t insight," with the world in-order to save, "Apple," from the,"Android threat." I wouldn't be surprised to discover Gene, has, "Apple," stock.

posted on 19 Aug 2011, 23:48

22. iankellogg (Posts: 155; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)

Does motorola Mobility really produce the tv set top boxes? Even if they do I can't imagine companies like Comcast who use Motorola set top boxes would be too trilled with google TV.

posted on 20 Aug 2011, 14:04

36. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2720; Member since: 26 May 2011)

Cable companies probably wouldn't be too thrilled, but at least Google would have an easier time negotiating with Motorola in its corner.

posted on 20 Aug 2011, 01:48

24. xenover (Posts: 174; Member since: 27 May 2011)

I don't see how any of this is related to Moto becoming the only AndroidOS phone manufacturer. Why should Sammy, LG, HTC, Huawei etc. etc. give up on Android?
It's the fastest growing mobile OS on the planet.

posted on 20 Aug 2011, 16:03

38. Whateverman (Posts: 3284; Member since: 17 May 2009)

@ Michael H. I've noticed the picture for this article has changed twice so far, and each image has gotten progressively more gruesome. Don't get me wrong, I see where your going with it and it's definitely a perfect illustration of why Google wouldn't go exclusive. But I asked a question several weeks ago, as to why I never see a tarnished image of Apple on PA, no matter how bad the news about Apple may be. Yet you always see green robots with devils, monsters, or just beaten and battered. Why can't we see illustrations like this on applied to bad Apple news? Can we see a rotten apple, an apple with horns or maybe a bull crapping out an Apple logo sometime soon? I am an artist, so I would be more than happy to draw something up for you. What do you think?

posted on 20 Aug 2011, 21:50

43. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)

The problem with the Android robot it's that it has transcended. Unlike the apple logo the Android logo has also become a meme making it more easy for people to consider mocking it or associating it with everything. People can go home and produce variations of the Android robot that match certain criteria with ease look at your avatar as it probably represents "ninja blur". Now when you see apple there is not much corporate meme for them aside from Steve jobs. Now with his complications its not easy to mock him anymore. And I thi there has being some pictures. Also remix and I are the ones to blame for the constant changes done to the picture. Its was done to adecuate it ....

posted on 21 Aug 2011, 03:57

44. Whateverman (Posts: 3284; Member since: 17 May 2009)

Ninja Blur?! I hate Blur! Many could tell you how badly I trash it on every Motorola related article. If Google pink slipped everyone on the Blur development team, I would gladly purchase another Motorola device. But until then, I will be looking forward to whatever HTC is cooking up for VZW next.

As for the artwork, Apple is the biggest, most universally recognizable meme there is. I know it's a logo, but its probably one of the first examples of a meme, because when people saw that Apple sticker on the back of someones car, in did convey to others the type of person you are. What type is up for debate, but that logo definitly said to this is who I am. At least before the iPod and iPhone, then they were just stickers. But the Apple mem has just taken a shift towards the mainstream and has become what it use to rebel against.

Look at any of the many "iPhone is greatest anything ever made!" type articles we see on PA and you'll see. Apple isn't just a meme anymore, it's the Borg! Yet Brian Tong manages to come up with something different for the "Bad Apple" segment every time. Honestly, it just looks like what people have been saying this whole time is correct. That PA is iPhone biased. I hope that I'm soon proven wrong, but I just don't think PA has the spine to

Now, if you will excuse me. I gotta get working on a new avatar. (Ninja Blur? protozeloz, that really hurt,)

posted on 21 Aug 2011, 10:14

45. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)

Sorry man never though it would be a lot of pain for ya .... I actually think the ninja blur may be the best type of blur (the ninjas sure know their code. *cough * compared to regular blur) not my intention to offend but every time I see a ninja robot I believe its ninja blur they say new updates make blur better I'll have to see. About the apple meme we are most likely to mock at the users and Job's rather that the whole company so not everyone is willing to go and mess with the logo. I don't think a picture makes pa biased towards apple some post might do. It's why so far I like MH (sorry but didn't wanted to misspell his name) I argued few times ago about the comparison of everything including the iPhone and I have to say that the photon vs evo 3D makes me consider my opinion or an article written regarding battery power on dual core Android phones that didn't match any of the reviews done about the devices before. Remember phonearena has several writers that post news and their opinion varies depending so many stuff also the page targets certain traffic between posts and one of the best ways to do it is by looking for people who desire to post and argument. And for that there have to be workarounds it's how things have to run sometimes

posted on 21 Aug 2011, 11:19

48. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

Lol, I made that image, no worries.

Actually, I had just read Peter's comment on how google should just forsake all its partnerships and make phones directly through motorola, and I made that picture to illustrate it. :)

We all know i sit in the android camp, so there isnt some conspiracy, I just thought it was funny and the original pic could use some sprucing up for the subject. Not bad for 10 mins worth of work, huh? :)

Im also MORE THAN happy to chop up some apples for a bad apple story :)

posted on 21 Aug 2011, 11:21

49. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

also, this just shows that u dont read all the comments!!!! :) michael and i were talking about the picture throught first page of the thread.. lol

posted on 21 Aug 2011, 10:41

46. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2720; Member since: 26 May 2011)

The first image change was because I didn't think I had done a very good job with the original. The new image is because remixfa offered to make one up, and while it was more gruesome, it was certainly better than what I'd made up.

I can't really comment on Apple on PA. I mean pro-Apple people like Taco and Miz will tell you that our site is completely anti-Apple and pro-Android. We've got a few readers who think that bada is the best and we don't do enough to cover that angle. And, we've obviously got some Android supporters with their own opinions.

We're not actively on one side or the other, we're just reporting the news. This image fit this story. When an Apple story needs a shocking image, I'll be sure to drop you a message.

posted on 21 Aug 2011, 13:36

50. Whateverman (Posts: 3284; Member since: 17 May 2009)

No, I agree. If I were to illustrate this story, the two dismembered Androids would have been my choice as well. It fits that particular senerio. What i'm saying is what's good for Android, is good for BBOS, WP7, WebOS, iOS, and Bada. Before Google bough Motorola, the last few Android stories have been so bad, from having certain products banned to the malware infestation articles. The illustrations with all of those stories reflected the tone of the articles very well, Android fan or not. But I've read Apple articles about journalist being treated as criminals for doing their jobs (It's not Gizmodo's fault some absent minded engineer left the phone in a bar), the iOS security patch that caused more security issues, and fear of competition Apple displays with all these lawsuits. All of these articles beg for an illustration to match, let see some of that. I just don't think Apple should be off limits.

posted on 21 Aug 2011, 14:06

51. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

well, then lets make them! michael seems to be a lot more open than some of the previous writers/editors have been. Hell, i can barely recall another editor being on the boards so much if even at all..
If we're allowed the opportunity, I dont know about the rest, but I'd love to make more illustrations.. especially for controversial stuff like the quick one i made here.. lol :)

posted on 21 Aug 2011, 15:47

53. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)

Im still waiting for a reply on this article for my claimshttp://www.phonearena.com/news/Almost-all-dual-core-Android-phones-suffering-from-power-consumption-issue_id19060

posted on 21 Aug 2011, 19:04

55. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

well, to be fair that wasnt michael, that was victor that wrote that.. and yea, i gotta agree the "claims" made in the article were absolute crap and PA's own reviews (just like u pointed out) said otherwise about pretty much all the dual core phones out at the time.

posted on 21 Aug 2011, 20:15

58. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)

Sorry I know the post was from Victor. Just pointed out that I like what michael does. He stands up and backs up his claims or clarifies. I wish everyone would do that. (We sometimes need a better explanation like the one for the pattent apple got granted couple of months ago) and when its mostly related to personal opinion from the writer we at least expect an answer to the claim with things that backs up what's said

posted on 21 Aug 2011, 16:41 1

54. Whateverman (Posts: 3284; Member since: 17 May 2009)

Agree with you 100%. Mad respect to Michael for coming in a participating in the discussions.

As for the illustrations, let's do it remixfa!

posted on 22 Aug 2011, 18:09 1

60. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2720; Member since: 26 May 2011)

I kind of agree with protozeloz. It's not even a matter of the other companies being off limits, it's that the other companies have limited options for their logos. The best that can be done with Apple is either a worm, or just a rotting apple. And, even that is more than can be done with the logos for WP7, BB, or the others.

On the other side, the Android logo is more of a mascot, and (much like the Android OS itself) can have a lot of personality injected into it. I mean take your user icon. You don't see that level of customization and personalization with any other company logo. (P.S. don't be surprised if you see a column from me about this issue and the Android mascot sometime soon.)

posted on 22 Aug 2011, 20:57

64. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)

To me Its easy to do anything to the Android mascot from showing it all rusty to giving it lightsaber and Jedi power (there is even an optimus robot already) when it comes to stuff the robot can be used to do virtually anything witch makes him into something people remember and have fun with. And that's not a bad thing that green robot its part of their success. People here looking for Android devices will think twice if they don't see a robot on any sales. It has completely outdone the original logo

posted on 22 Aug 2011, 21:02

65. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)

Oh and I have the perfect name for that! 'Lives and tales of the Android robot " it could contains history regarding the mascot and many other stuff

posted on 20 Aug 2011, 18:38

41. amdkalban (Posts: 3; Member since: 18 Feb 2011)

I think google want to have the combination of software and hardware. To. Create a better expeience on the upcoming android platforms. We are going to see one OS for both tablets and smart phones(android ice cream sandwich), so why not optimise it with the hardware? That's mu humble opinion.

posted on 21 Aug 2011, 10:44

47. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2720; Member since: 26 May 2011)

Has Microsoft had problems with Windows PCs by not having specific hardware to optimize the OS? Google strategy has always been to get Android on as many devices as possible, that means making the OS as broadly compatible as possible. There will be some hiccups, and some hardware manufacturers that don't build quality handsets, but Google wants to offer choice, and that means keeping it open.

posted on 21 Aug 2011, 15:16

52. amdkalban (Posts: 3; Member since: 18 Feb 2011)

Yes, performance varies from pc to pc, and microsoft windows has so many versions of the same os (home, professional, ultimate) on the other hand, mac has one os. The iphone is still a very good device. The difference in iphone devices are storage memory, so not much difference. Andriod evolving fast, yet still young. Ill wait and see if ice cream sandwich will have a big effect on the android platform. Let's wait and see. A good step google made with motorola. Let's hope they use it well.

posted on 22 Aug 2011, 18:14

61. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2720; Member since: 26 May 2011)

I think this still boils down to the simple difference in company aims. Apple wants big margins and revenue, that means vertical integration, a closed system, and deep ties to iTunes. Google wants OS ubiquity, so all search results lead to Google ads.

Regardless of variations in performance, Windows is still the dominant desktop OS. The same will continue for Android. So far, Google doesn't seem to think the potential gains from closer optimization with hardware is worth the hit to market share. That's why the Nexus line of devices are niche devices.

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