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Why Google went with Texas Instruments silicon for the Galaxy Nexus Android ICS poster child

0. phoneArena posted on 19 Oct 2011, 14:36

Whether it is because TI's OMAP 4460 plays well with LTE basebands, because it has excellent Image Signal Processor and the IVA3 multimedia accelerator, or just because of office politics, TI's OMAP family enters the spotlight with the Galaxy Nexus...

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posted on 19 Oct 2011, 15:35 3

21. roldefol (Posts: 4364; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)

If the number of megapixels on a camera is so important as to drive someone away from the Nexus, they probably don't need the phone. Oh well, more for those of us in the know.

(I was about to say "deserve the phone"...)

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 15:41

23. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)

remixfa, you are such the babbling village idiot. How can you not understand that this phone is going against the iPhone?

It's not just MP, it's what you do with it, so why can't the Samsung just include the same 8 MP as in the Galaxy 2 line.

Are you saying Samsung ran out of 8 MP shooters? remixfa, you can be really dense.

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 15:44 5

25. roldefol (Posts: 4364; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)

Maybe the 5 MP camera in the Nexus is actually _better_ than the 8 MP unit in the Galaxy S2. We won't know until reviews start appearing.

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 16:16 2

31. remixfa (Posts: 14604; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

are you going to "taco's school for lack of reading comprehension"???


maybe you should spend less time hurling insults and more time reading.

the 8mpx camera in the sgs2 is the same crap pinhole camera thats in pretty much every cell phone. The only phones that i can recall that have anything different are the Nexus Prime, i4s and nokia n8.

megapixel doesnt matter.. u really need to get that through your head.

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 17:26

40. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)

remixfa, taco made this great observation how when you lose a debate you start throwing things like things out of left field.

I have an iPod Touch 4G and I can record videos in 720P. The people who face the same problem now want to be able to record in 1080P.

remixfa, you harp on the camera FORGETTING that it is also a camcorder. remixfa, you are REALLY, REALLY dense.

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 18:32 4

44. RageQuit (Posts: 41; Member since: 05 Sep 2011)

If you are complaining about it not being able to record in 1080P then you need to read more. just because it has a 5MP camera doesn't mean it cant. 5MP is well above what is needed for 1080P.

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 20:45 2

52. remixfa (Posts: 14604; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

it records in 1080p at 30fps. i fail to see your point..

oh, because have none.. lol

ardent, like normal you are clueless, and full of hot air. thanks for referencing taco, proving that you are even more clueless. taco hasnt won an arguement in as long as i can remember.. lol he wouldnt know what i'm like when i lose an arguement to him, because it hasnt happened. you came close.. a heck of a lot closer than him.. but it just hasnt happened.

what happens when i make a mistake or am wrong in an arguement?

i say "woops" or "my faux pas" or "your right".

if you havent seen that, its because u havent won an arguement. heck, i used that terminology on the boards today, go find it.... lol.

go back to thumbing yourself up.... lol

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 17:12 1

35. maxican16 (Posts: 364; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)

I /THINK/ one reason to go with a 5MP camera vs 8MP is the zero shutter lag feature. The better sensor in the 5MP offering would offset any cheaper costs, and may even be more expensive than an 8MP shooter with lesser sensor.

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 17:14

36. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)

zero shutter lag is a software feature within ICS. any phone that gets the update should have zero shutter lag in the camera.

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 20:48 1

54. remixfa (Posts: 14604; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

that may or may not be true. the only thing a 8mpx has over a 5 by default is actual image size. the zero lag might not be possible at higher sizes just because of the image size. maybe it will be "quarter second lag" lol. who knows, but it actually sounds like a plausible reason.
we will find out really quickly though when other ICS phones come out or get upgraded with bigger cameras.

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 23:17

61. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)

i wouldn't imagine that happening to a dual-core phone that ICS is making it reach it's full potential but i suppose it's possible with updated single core phones.

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 19:07 1

46. NeXoS (Posts: 292; Member since: 03 May 2011)

The answer is most likely: ZERO LAG SHUTTER

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 15:20

16. tech-head (Posts: 133; Member since: 02 Sep 2011)

Well whats up wit dis?

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 15:53

28. Kevro_86 (Posts: 43; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)

While I have very little knowledge of what all of these specific benchmarks are actually measuring, I will say that the Galaxy Nexus appears to be outperformed by Galaxy S-II and iPhone 4S in almost all areas. Not cool. But, then again, what does all of this mean in terms of real world phone usage?

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 20:07 1

49. ojdidit84 (Posts: 458; Member since: 16 Jul 2011)

I have a hard time believing that the Galaxy Nexus is outperformed in almost every single category by my current EVO 3D...

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 20:53 2

55. remixfa (Posts: 14604; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

ok.. assuming that it is an accurate test..

your comparing pre release alpha/beta software against a refined monster like the SGS2 and iphone4s. Need I remind you how poorly the SGS2 performed in pre-release state? It got beat by a snapdragon and the tegra2.. lol

Would you say these prelim tests hold a candle to what the exynos was when it went retail?? not a chance.. optimized drivers can make a helluva difference in performance.


posted on 19 Oct 2011, 15:21

17. Daniel.P (Posts: 108; Member since: 14 Jul 2011)

Very good point about the cost structure, I was wondering about the wholesale price of the chipsets too, maybe in a teardown or two we can compare.

Actually the difference between the 5MP and 8MP modules could be only a few bucks, guess Samsung didn't want to undercut its own Galaxy S II versions and maybe the Note. In any case, it should have been cheaper to produce with Exynos instead of adjusting to OMAP...

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 15:25 1

19. remixfa (Posts: 14604; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

cost structure, wouldnt the Exynos be more expencive to buy at retail concidering there are less of them made and its the "premium" chip at the moment? economies of scale and demand say that it should be the highest priced dual core chip right now. of course, none of us will ever know the true pricing between suppliers more than likely.

the difference between the 5mpx n 8mpx camera is negligible for pricing.. your also assuming that all 8mpx cameras are better than all 5mpx cameras which isnt true. If the 5mpx camera is made of better equipment and is able to do more things, then its going to be more expensive than the 8mpx camera.

Maybe google is making a statement about quality over a number.

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 15:40

22. roldefol (Posts: 4364; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)

I think the vertical integration of Samsung using its own Exynos would negate the "premium chip" cost.

I completely agree on the camera though. Maybe if they'd used an 8 MP unit, the Nexus wouldn't be able to do its lagless and panoramic camera tricks as easily. I prefer to think it was a performance choice, not cost cutting or contrast with the Galaxy S2.

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 16:20

32. remixfa (Posts: 14604; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


maybe.. maybe not. samsung operates as many huge arms of the same company. who knows how it sells products to itself to retain profit margins. hell, it could sell itself its own products across arms at a higher cost to show increased margins on the arms it shows off (like mobile) vs the arms it doesnt (like its TV arm thats losing money)..

thats all pure speculation and conjecture but the point remains the same. Just because its all the same parent company doesnt mean each arm isnt working and operating independently and maintaining its own P&L reports.

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 15:44

24. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)

well it's still a MP count. it still matters but only if they both have similar capabilities like you pointed out there.

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 17:06

34. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)

remixfa, this is the same logic as your RD expense belongs in gross profit margins post. There's more to cost structure than economies of scale; economies of scale would be an argument for lower chip cost, not higher chip cost, etc, etc.

As for the 8 MP shooter, my point is since this is the flagship device, it should have the best available features and if 8MP is the current standard, the Google should launch the phone with the best possible 8 MP shooter. Obviously this simple point eludes remixfa, TBVIPA.

No one is talking about MP for the sake of MP (except remixfa since he has nothing else to grasp on). Here's the point: Apple has made the 8MP a feature to compete on and it is foolish of Google to walk away from this challenge over a few dollars.

Here's an analogy, when Lexus came to market going against established brands like Mercedes or BMW, you don't see Lexus skimping or cost cutting it's way to win customers. The LS 400 was a Tour de Force such that it established the Lexus franchise. Google needs to wake up and get someone who undertands the cell phone is being commoditized and unless Google stands heads and shoulder above the field, it too will be commoditized. How you know if a company is producing commodities as opposed to high value products: you look at its gross margins. Companies with single to low two digit gross margins are at risk for being marginalized.

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 17:16 1

37. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)

you're just not going to listen are you? xD

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 17:22 1

38. maxican16 (Posts: 364; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)

One thing is for sure... you certainly live up to your name.

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 19:37 1

47. roldefol (Posts: 4364; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)

Who says the Nexus needs to compete spec for spec with the iPhone? I for one stopped considering the iPhone when they stuck with the older design and screen size. The impression I got from the iPhone 4S camera presentation is that they needed to revamp the camera completely just to get as good or better picture quality from an 8 MP sensor. Which they can afford to do, since they didn't spend anything on a new design or screen tech.

The camera isn't meant to be the Nexus' star feature. That would be the screen and the OS.

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 21:32 1

59. remixfa (Posts: 14604; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

ever notice how you are the only one that ever agrees with you??

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 15:51 1

27. CX3NT3_713 (Posts: 2285; Member since: 18 Apr 2011)

Sooo?? We should see netflix HD, on LG thrill ?soon?

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 16:55 1

33. ph00ny (Posts: 1471; Member since: 26 May 2011)

LOL at browser benchmarks again. Same reasoning applies to this as well but these results are heavily depended on the browsers

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 17:24 1

39. maxican16 (Posts: 364; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)

Nice article. Excited to see real (not user submitted) benchmarks and see what this thing is really capable of!

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 18:01 1

43. knights4life03 (Posts: 131; Member since: 09 Jun 2011)

so how bout that droid razr!!! lol if we are talking about cameras, samsung might be on par with the 5 megapixel camera,even tho its not 8 megapixels. it might beat the droid razr (camera) because motorola hasnt been great with 8 megapixel shooters in image quality and on how it performs. their new devices like droid 3 droid x2 photon and droid bionic are the examples. O and one other thing, the first motorola atrix had a 5 mp shooter and it was superior over their new devices

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