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Why Google wants to kill SD cards, and what's holding them back

0. phoneArena posted on 22 Nov 2011, 15:30

Many have been curious as to why Google has left out SD card slots in the last 3 flagship devices, and while we don't have the official answer, we have a pretty educated guess...

This is a discussion for a news. To read the whole news, click here

posted on 22 Nov 2011, 16:13 1

9. rockstarlive (Posts: 307; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)

Not many people use them anyway. I have about 3 SD cards, 2,2gb and one 16gb.

I use the same SD adapter for all of them. Only time I used one was testing out Dodge Charger that has SD card input

posted on 22 Nov 2011, 16:15 2

10. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)

And you guys should STOP ROOTING YOUR PHONES.

posted on 22 Nov 2011, 16:46 1

18. MikeG77 (Posts: 415; Member since: 24 Nov 2008)

Im not sure what your point is BUT rooting our phones has nothing to do with the size of internal memory a manufacturer decides to place in a device.

posted on 22 Nov 2011, 17:57 5

25. LewsTherin006 (Posts: 140; Member since: 18 Nov 2011)

maybe you should stop being such a downer.

posted on 22 Nov 2011, 19:12 1

31. nickjjay (Posts: 79; Member since: 10 Oct 2011)

That is possibly one of the dumbest posts i've ever seen on this sight. How embarassing. Dont root your phone?

posted on 23 Nov 2011, 12:29

63. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

why would we ever stop rooting our phones? please elaborate.

posted on 22 Nov 2011, 16:16 1

11. warlockz (Posts: 156; Member since: 10 Oct 2011)

Very well written article. Bought some inside to understanding how efficient apps run on the Android os. Still one can't comprehend why not have a large internal storage and still have an option to have an sd card. With regards to cloud I understand the concept what I don't understand is how secure is your information isn't it just sitting on a server somewhere, again I have not done my research on the security flaws of cloud so I don't know.

posted on 22 Nov 2011, 16:28

12. rob5150 (Posts: 175; Member since: 31 Oct 2011)

Perhaps trying to eliminate the sd card is that the majority of people that buy the phones never actually use the extra storage. So by cutting it out. They can save space to slim down the phones at the same time expand battery. Or expand other things to make the camera better or \"beats audio\" chips or things like that. I am a power user.. And I admit I can get by without a sd card

posted on 22 Nov 2011, 16:28 7

13. Rotate (Posts: 26; Member since: 07 Dec 2010)

people always run out of storage, no matter how big it is... killing the sd card is just sounds bulls**t for me... you can't rely fully on cloud storage, not only because the data can be limited, but there can be allways problems with the coverage.. let's say going through a tunnel, or in a desert, or places with little to no coverage, or whatever... cloud storage is great, but it's greater to have a backup...

and if your memory card is full? you can buy another, and just swap them, you can carry with yourself unlimited storage, which easily fits in your wallet...

posted on 22 Nov 2011, 16:31 8

15. akhi216 (Posts: 61; Member since: 01 May 2011)

I don't like it. Why you ask?

iPhone 4S (16 GB), dual-core processor, 512 MB RAM, 3G connectivity - 199.99
iPhone 4S (32 GB), dual-core processor, 512 MB RAM, 3G connectivity - 299.99

DROID³ (16 GB), dual-core processor, 512 MB RAM, 3G connectivity - 199.99
MicroSD Card (16 GB) - 16.99

posted on 22 Nov 2011, 16:32 4

16. 14545 (Posts: 1676; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)

many problems with this. First being multimedia. I currently have a 32 gig SD card and it is almost full. I have no problem with large internal memory, but it really needs external memory also. Also, cloud storage is great and all, but when you're traveling, its not always the best. Especially with all these new data caps, or lack of cell service. So if I want to carry my tunes while hiking or whatnot, I can't. Because either A) I might not have service B) I might have data caps that prevent me from being able to use those cloud services. Last is the ability to back up data. So if unless El Goog wants to go to bat with the service providers to ease up on the caps, then cloud storage won't be a viable option. Then, you have the issue that you have to pay monthly for cloud storage, where I can just buy the SD card once. I already pay 200 a month for cell service, I don't want to pay another 10-20 a month for cloud access more than 5 gigs. Or the extra for data overages. All around this is a HORRIBLE idea. And with this idea, I will either find the manufacturers like HTC that will continue to support external memory, or I will find another phone to buy. I REALLY wanted the Nexus, but not now. I planned on buying at launch till I found out they decided not to add external support. This is about as stupid as non removable batteries like the RAZR. These are things that Android users have come to love. GOOGLE, I HOPE YOU"RE LISTENING.

posted on 23 Nov 2011, 09:36

56. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

to correct you on one thing.

with google you dont have to pay for storage unless you exceed 20k songs.

posted on 22 Nov 2011, 16:35 2

17. downphoenix (Posts: 3165; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)

one problem with sd cards is that not enough apps use them. A lot of androids are light on internal stoarge, then you have the fact that ALL of the google apps dont save to sd card, at least all of the ones I have on my phone. Then several other essential apps like Facebook dont either. With a few exceptions, every app should be savable to SD card. Another problem is how several apps on android market, etc. for larger apps like games, etc. will save directly to phone by default then you have to manually move to SD card, for example Plants Vs. Zombies on my phone took about 75mb, a lot of internal space, and there has to be that much free to save to it. Afterwards it can be moved to SD card and take a paltry .96 or some MB on the phone.

On the other hand, The Sims 3 is over 150MB of data, but EA did it smart by making a small install/executable and have the rest of the game install to SD card, IMO the right way to do large app installs. All Google seeks to do here is to further fragment the market even more and obsolete devices that need SD card storage to storage significant amts of apps, which is... most Androdi phones.

posted on 22 Nov 2011, 16:55 2

19. doubleD (Posts: 78; Member since: 13 Dec 2010)

As others have said, the cloud is not the end all solution, nor should it be. Not only do you have to have a connection and use data to use everything from the cloud, you have to invest all the time to put it there to begin with. The upload speed on my ISP is ridiculously slow, so taking a lot of time uploading movies to the cloud to view on my phone, rather than the few moments to transfer to an SD card is out of the question. Also, viewing movies on a streaming feed and trying to skip ahead is a real pain. The cloud is a fine alternative, but it's not as great as the author of this article makes it out to be.

posted on 22 Nov 2011, 17:03

21. downphoenix (Posts: 3165; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)

another problem with cloud is carrier data caps. Cloud heavy solutions would only really be acceptable with sprint's data network, because T-mobile throttles down to very slow speeds and you'll get charges tons on Verizon and AT&T if this became the standard. If the carriers got rid of draconian caps or at least make them very reasonable then fine.

posted on 22 Nov 2011, 16:59

20. sinple (Posts: 132; Member since: 04 Nov 2011)

phone should be like n8, droid etc. large internal plus memory. I usually prefer to store photo and song on memory card. you nv know when your phone might spoil, losing your content

posted on 22 Nov 2011, 17:04 3

22. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)

I want a 32GB internal memory storage on an ANDROID and 32GB more option for external - cloud service is nice, but what if it goes down? What, is GOOGLE trying to be more like APPLE? If so, I will move on....

posted on 22 Nov 2011, 17:24

23. EclipseGSX (Posts: 1743; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)

wait for it.....

posted on 12 Jul 2012, 19:08

75. lyndon420 (Posts: 5002; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)

Move on to what?

posted on 22 Nov 2011, 17:57 2

24. Univice (Posts: 39; Member since: 15 Jun 2010)

The idea of "removable storage" is just that, it is storage that is removable and it gives the consumer options. Personally I have nearly 200 apps and they are all on my phone memory with plenty of room to spare. But personal files that I want full control of go on the SD card (there are some things I don't ever intend to put "in the cloud"). Also I am occasionally without connectivity, but music I own and have on my SD card is with me. And when I switch phones I can easily just place the SD card into the new phone and I immediately have all my files with me. The card is easily backed up either by using the phones cable to PC or by removing the card and placing it directly into the PC (with an adapter if PC doesn't have card slots). I can even have multiple cards (giving unlimited storage capability) if I want. In this way I am not restricted to what the phone manufacturer thought was best at one time.

posted on 22 Nov 2011, 17:59 1

26. chack_fu (Posts: 46; Member since: 19 Jan 2009)

My Xoom has a sd card in it.... I don't know why you keep saying it doesn't

posted on 22 Nov 2011, 18:36 2

29. superguy (Posts: 309; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)

The Cloud argument sounds good, but it has some problems with it.

1. Many people don't have unlimited data. Do you want to keep burning bandwidth pulling down the same content over and over again? Or do you want to have to worry about swapping content in and out?

2. It also assumes constant connectivity. There are places where connectivity is either going to be limited, slow, or nonexistent. I wouldn't want to rely on the cloud to get every little thing, or try to cram what I can into a small space.

3. Cloud storage isn't free. Sure, you get a couple gigs here and there from places like Dropbox, but if you want more, it's going to cost you. You end up paying for it one way or another. In this case, you have to pay the storage provider for anything significant AND you have to buy extra bandwidth from the carrier. Or even worse, worry about roaming data if you're traveling outside your country.

This isn't hard. Just leave the damn SD card slot. Put enough storage in and allow for plenty of app space and give those who want the option to expand that option. Google still could have done the unified model like in the Nexus S and GNex plus give the option for more storage for those that want it.

I'm not discounting that storage space will still be available on the phone. I just don't see the cloud as a viable replacement for SD. A complement, sure, but not a replacement, as there are scenarios where it won't work.

posted on 22 Nov 2011, 19:07

30. subzerohk (Posts: 2; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)

I have a 32GB micro SD install to my 32GB Wi-Fi Xoom.... or mine... is not a Xoom?

posted on 22 Nov 2011, 19:25

32. denney (Posts: 98; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)

Maybe google should go the way of microsoft and give us a housed SD for data. That way it is still proprietary and keeps the SD issues at a minimum, but they can still be modified to accept more memory for the techies like us.

posted on 22 Nov 2011, 19:35 2

34. Uzzelien (Posts: 131; Member since: 22 Feb 2011)

Face it guys SD cards in a phone is something that's been dieing for awhile now.

posted on 22 Nov 2011, 20:04 2

37. downphoenix (Posts: 3165; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)

really? Because with the exception of the nexus phones mentioned here and iPhones, and really cheap feature phones, every phone has 'em. That's like saying 3G is dead even though every phone out there now has it except for some exceptions.

posted on 22 Nov 2011, 20:14

38. Uzzelien (Posts: 131; Member since: 22 Feb 2011)

Also any WP7 ones, and yes 3G is dieing also.

posted on 22 Nov 2011, 20:35

39. bigboss (Posts: 80; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)

Both internal and external memory should be available. But he Google wants to make the user experience more streamlined them it should prevent the option of installing apps in the memory card. Then we can post our music,videos hassle free.both the consumers and Google will be happy. After all who wants to spent the precious time and data in syncing media contents. Cloud storage has not yet matured and high data speed required for it is not available everywhere.

posted on 22 Nov 2011, 20:45

41. JeanAllTrekkie (Posts: 1; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)

This article highlights a lot of reasons why Apple beats Google hands down. Apple's EcoSystem, iCloud, iTunes, etc. beats anything Google has or can provide. With iCloud everything on your phone is backed up... including your Angry Birds games ;)

posted on 22 Nov 2011, 22:30 1

43. BattleBrat (Posts: 1476; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)

Run more than 1 device on the same account and see how much fun it is ;-) I speak from experience.
I feel the Market is more advanced (as a result of the freedom android provides) than the apps store, and I use both, being a fan of both iOS and Android. Face it, one can do more with a Google Account, than an Apple one.
My RAZR has 16gb onboard storage, and I recently purchased a 32gb HIGH Speed sandisk card. I need at least 24gb of total storage on a phone, I need to have ALL my music with me, with or without an internet connection

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