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What does Nokia need to get out of the gutter?

0. phoneArena posted on 20 Jul 2012, 07:08

In just over a year, Nokia went from a profitable company, to the biggest loser the industry has ever seen - the company has burned a billion dollars…

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posted on 20 Jul 2012, 07:09 16

1. wendygarett (unregistered)

How about, Kick Stephen Elop instead !!! just joking lol

posted on 20 Jul 2012, 07:57 16

12. nagabiru003 (Posts: 11; Member since: 04 Jun 2012)

yeah, return him to Microsoft, and ask for refund

posted on 20 Jul 2012, 07:57 4

13. haseebzahid (Posts: 1853; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)

if elop didnt came in there wasnt any wp or meego phones only symbians

posted on 20 Jul 2012, 08:24 7

20. bobfreking55 (Posts: 866; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)

you know symbian is still good and useable. the ecosystem and feel is just outdated. I would actually prefer MeeGo and Android over WP because of it's open nature, Mass Storage etc.

Samsung went Nokia's previous ways with SD Cards and Removable batteries... Now Nokia wants to be Apple, with closed systems and the like --- who do they come to? one of Apple's biggest competitors, Microsoft.

everyone thought the Nokia Lumia would crush everything, including me. I lost faith already. Last Nokia phone I would actually want to own is the N9.

posted on 20 Jul 2012, 10:28 1

35. haseebzahid (Posts: 1853; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)

then why did no one cared about developing high quality apps for it i know it is good OS but its not given enough attention by anyone nokia or developers thats why it is going down hard

posted on 20 Jul 2012, 10:33

36. haseebzahid (Posts: 1853; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)

and openness is not everything people use to brag its only one reson Android users say its better but there is others things that are also involved i dont mind a closed OS as long it is butter smooth and easy to use i am happy with it and WP beats android in these 2 matter straight out of the box with no extra apps if i had android i need a whole week just to tweek the phone for my use and getting use to it is even harder and their is alsoways a risk of bricking the phone if power faliure occrues for example on my WP i never had to do these stuff at all i love it the way it is and Games are awsome on it Android wont have the quality that wp has to offer and wp8 is comming with i think u might have heard of = Dx support native to PC where it leads well u can imagine

posted on 20 Jul 2012, 22:09 2

50. microsoftnokiawin (Posts: 1236; Member since: 30 Mar 2012)

elop had nothing to do with meego
meego was being developed since release of nokia n900

posted on 21 Jul 2012, 13:47 1

57. downphoenix (Posts: 3165; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)

Well Meego was going to come anyway without Elop, Elop just killed it off before it launched and released the stillborn N9 to virtually nowhere.

Symbian was just fine as it is, it just needed to be updated to play catch up with Android and iOS, or at the very least become the "low tier" for their smartphones and have meego be the next generation, if it was not feasible to update the platform. As far as meego getting poor US Carrier support, I feel like this is somehow Nokia's fault, Nokia was the #1 cellphone oem in the US before the Iphone came out. They clearly had the clout to get Symbian devices on carriers subsidized, but they failed to do so.

posted on 20 Jul 2012, 18:03 2

48. snowgator (Posts: 3604; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)

Mr. Elop did two major things wrong:

1) Killed Symbian before WP was a proven winner. While I liked the N9, killing off the R&D costs for MeeGo was not a poor decision. Killing off your cash cow, even if it was aging and unable to compete long term with Android and iOS, was just short sighted and left them with a sink or swim immediately situation instead of an opportunity to allow WP to grow.

2) Being way to honest. One of the most important jobs of the CEO is to make the unpopular decision and make it look popular. Slapping everyone in the face with the "everything you have done up to now is outdated and worthless" was a dumb way to go about things.

I like the decisions, but just think it was silly to make them this painful. At this point WP8 is the witching hour for Nokia. Mr. Elop needs to see huge gains in marketshare, or else he will be shown the door.

posted on 20 Jul 2012, 07:18 8

2. Veigald (Posts: 290; Member since: 13 Jan 2012)

What Nokia needs to do? First of all complete the turn-around operation they're in, which is going to take another year or so.

Nokia is like an athlete stopping to exercise and starting to eat fast-food. If he does that for a long time, it will take even longer to lose weight and getting into shape again. Under previous management, the athlete that used to be Nokia became a fat slob who didn't care about anything than short-term pleasure. Elop and the current team has to deal with getting the company into shape again.
And for the R&D comment, it should be pointed out that Nokia is now filing more new patents than they have done since 2007.

Nokia simply will not be profitable at least until Q1 next year, that is how long these things take. Not that you would expect the average phone-forum user to understand that, so most likely this article will be spammed by "fire Elop" and "push Android" comments...

posted on 20 Jul 2012, 08:09 3

17. Edmund (Posts: 656; Member since: 13 Jul 2012)

Couldn't have said it better myself.

The armchair CEO's commenting here and on other tech blogs don't realize just how significant the paradigm shift to WP8 will be. They're also quite ignorant to the fact that android's ecosystem is so far behind the 8 ball that it will be years before google comes even remotely close to catching up.

posted on 20 Jul 2012, 09:57 1

31. rocky459 (Posts: 6; Member since: 27 Mar 2012)

True its not about current loss , in long run, it will rule and yes now the war is not about the OS its just about ecosystem , and after win8 its complete :D :D

posted on 20 Jul 2012, 07:22 18

3. kunyuk (Posts: 56; Member since: 29 Jun 2012)

Nokia should go with android

posted on 20 Jul 2012, 07:38 2

6. MeoCao (unregistered)

That's not gonna happen in near term, they have a contract with MS

posted on 21 Jul 2012, 04:45 1

51. Bluedroid (Posts: 57; Member since: 12 Sep 2011)

Nokia could produce a Google Nexus device which could be there saviour as the hardware and software would not have to be tweaked like a samsung or htc skinned device...

posted on 20 Jul 2012, 08:08 3

16. haseebzahid (Posts: 1853; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)

oh so u think its like a switch button that shifts from wp to android do u have any idea what it takes to switch the company from technologies or did this idea just came to your mind. For now it is IMPOSSIBLE to go on android with low cash and low time no one shifts hard

posted on 20 Jul 2012, 08:18 10

19. bobfreking55 (Posts: 866; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)

that's plan B probably.

posted on 20 Jul 2012, 07:27 3

4. JunitoNH (Posts: 1934; Member since: 15 Feb 2012)

Very simple, ask Apple permission to use iOS, at the end beneficial for both parties. If those negotiations don't go well, there is always Android **sigh***

posted on 20 Jul 2012, 08:05 16

15. bloodline (Posts: 706; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)


posted on 20 Jul 2012, 13:53

46. aokde (Posts: 186; Member since: 09 Jul 2012)

its ironic how your 12 thumbs up point at him as an idiot, and his 18 thumbs down point telling people to listen to what you have to say about him lol!

posted on 20 Jul 2012, 07:30 14

5. som (Posts: 768; Member since: 10 Nov 2009)

Nokia committed to WP OS only is a self destruction.

posted on 20 Jul 2012, 10:38

38. haseebzahid (Posts: 1853; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)

but it was only way u noobs could ever have a chance to get a new different OS which is in middle of IOS and android features of both and technology of its own i think WP8 will break the streak of big established OSs it takes time to gain market especially when compition is sky high , once Android was the s**tiest OS and everyone use to laugh on it once now its most widespread OS even though it has flaws and the only reson for its success is it has only 1 competetor yet = ios now there is hihg potential competetor wp and its all better for end user

posted on 20 Jul 2012, 12:38 7

45. Whateverman (Posts: 3284; Member since: 17 May 2009)

Why are you so angry? And why don't you use punctuation marks? It makes your rants against Android tough to read.

It's okay if Android isn't your thing, it's not for everyone. No OS can be. But hitching your dying company to an OS that no one was buying is suicide and the numbers are proving that. WP7/8 could become the market leader in the future, so it's a good thing to have a WP device in their stable. But it would be even smarter to have a device with the most sought after OS on earth...Android. It makes sense to everyone except Elop.

posted on 20 Jul 2012, 07:38 6

7. alterecho (Posts: 1099; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)

Wow, i didn't know that info about Nokia Maps. I thought Google had the extensive coverage till now, with its ubiqutous Google Maps. This is actually a HUGE asset for Nokia if what is said here is true.

posted on 20 Jul 2012, 08:27 7

21. Victor.H (Posts: 789; Member since: 27 May 2011)

Don't misunderstand us here - Google is big in the States and a few other countries, and street view is great. When it comes to pretty much any other country, though, Nokia has much more coverage.

posted on 20 Jul 2012, 09:09 3

28. s.mrabet (Posts: 147; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)

Here in Holland, it's all Google Maps!

posted on 20 Jul 2012, 10:02 2

32. rocky459 (Posts: 6; Member since: 27 Mar 2012)


posted on 20 Jul 2012, 11:13 3

41. jackhammeR (Posts: 1548; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)

...and people like you tend to critisize Nokia even if they don't know about its advantages,

posted on 20 Jul 2012, 07:40 5

8. MeoCao (unregistered)

Shrink the Pure View technology to fit into phones and you have a winner.

posted on 20 Jul 2012, 07:41 5

9. script_writer (banned) (Posts: 56; Member since: 27 Jun 2012)

i think we all know that android is way to go cos windows phone 7 has been a major disappointment from day 1 and windows phone 8 looks the way. Apple are so uptight about everything that it just wont happen. Android is definatly the way to go

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