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The users: Nokia will be better off with Android

0. phoneArena posted on 29 Jan 2013, 04:52

Last week was a great one for Nokia as the company announced that it's become profitable again, at least for the period of Q4 2012. Naturally, this makes us think that the company has a chance of stabilizing with Windows Phone as its main mobile operating system. However, even after the good news, most users seem to have remained firmly convinced that the Finns will be better off if they switch to Android, like... right now...

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posted on 29 Jan 2013, 05:12 2

9. flower99 (banned) (Posts: 54; Member since: 18 Nov 2012)

i didnt say its bad, it just that web os is now at zonbie stage lol

posted on 29 Jan 2013, 05:11 7

8. pankajgupta (Posts: 59; Member since: 09 Aug 2012)

Android is already saturated and no new player can make a mark unless they price it way below other competitors for the same specs.

Nokia has done good with WP.

posted on 29 Jan 2013, 21:50

86. kujee (Posts: 11; Member since: 03 May 2011)

if windows Phone is better why they sell less ....in fact nokia is now -with Microsoft no more no. 1 seller....the right move was to use maemo and meego platforms and back it up...

posted on 30 Jan 2013, 09:21

105. pankajgupta (Posts: 59; Member since: 09 Aug 2012)

they sell less because of less awareness among people and also being a late entrant.
Moreover now-a-days people go for hardware specs more than software experience. Windows 8 runs more smooth on phones with same specs than Android. But people see specs coz of the marketing efforts.

People go for android coz android is windows of 2000s. (mass available). Even i prefer Android coz of customizability but agree to the fact that WP8 is very smooth.

It will take time for Nokia or in particular WP to taste major success.

As for Maemo or Meego, Nokia wouldnot have got much push and money to support the platform.
Even Android was bought by Google.

Hope my point is clear :)

posted on 29 Jan 2013, 05:16 1

10. VJo003 (Posts: 360; Member since: 11 Mar 2012)

vox populi vox dei

posted on 29 Jan 2013, 05:22 3

11. SuperNexus (Posts: 127; Member since: 18 Jan 2013)

Well we know that from the beginning, Nokia will be more successful if they manufacture Android phone.
I think even an idiot can make this decision then why not Elop.

posted on 29 Jan 2013, 05:28 12

13. wendygarett (unregistered)

There is a reason why investors vote elop as president, why don't you ask Nokia investor?

also, turning Nokia into profit within 6 quarter is considered perfect, meanwhile Motorola is still on loss stage... Who's the faster now?

posted on 29 Jan 2013, 05:49 1

23. RobotMan (Posts: 145; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)

Nokia did not make money because of selling WP only. A lot of it come from cost cutting such as selling the HQ building, manufacturing plants,R&d team . Only small parts of the profit come from WP.

posted on 29 Jan 2013, 05:54 5

25. wendygarett (unregistered)

I personally think it's a great start, it maybe cruel but still, trim away the fats and the company small enough to operate tho....

posted on 29 Jan 2013, 07:13 2

29. LumiaLover (Posts: 194; Member since: 27 Sep 2012)

No Nokia did not make much money because it lost ground to Apple and now Samsung. Nokia were the top dogs years ago so their infrastructure and costs would have been huge. It's taken a long time to get their strategic direction and re-scale the company but they are on the right track. WP8 is the perfect platform for Nokia to show what they have to offer in terms of innovation and quality and it may well be that the demand for them to produce their devices for Android may be so strong that they will find it hard to exist.

posted on 29 Jan 2013, 16:42

76. jiezel91 (Posts: 67; Member since: 28 Jul 2011)

Actually, what I saw in their Q4 financial report was that, their Nokia-Siemens Network division is the one doing great.

But still, I share the same opinion as you that Nokia will not be THAT successful with Android. I mean, they could be, but only of moderate success.

We all know that the competition on Android is all about monster specs (Quad Core CPU's, more GB's of RAM, higher battery capacity mostly because Android is not hardware optimised) and Nokia is not known to offer monstrous specs on their phones. They focus on being unique and different from the crowd (camera innovations, unique and original chassis design, and many more), and with that, I don't think they can compete effectively on Android. Just my two cents

posted on 29 Jan 2013, 20:18 1

84. SuperNexus (Posts: 127; Member since: 18 Jan 2013)

Tell me the reason why Nokia down from top spot?

Reason is quite simple because of Android.

Android hold 70% share and WP hold nearly 5% market share, so now tell me where Nokia can earn more profit WP or Android.

Now don't brag that many other company who are using android are not making profit. Nokia normally perform better than other company when competition is on same platform.

posted on 30 Jan 2013, 06:42

96. LumiaLover (Posts: 194; Member since: 27 Sep 2012)

They will clearly make more profit on WP. Android is saturated with phones and the specs seem to grow almost weekly.
Higher specs = higher production costs.
Saturated market = lower selling price.
Chinese maufacturers = lower market price.
Lower specs on WP = lower costs
Less competition = higher price

High cost and lower selling price vs lower cost and higher selling price....hhhmmmm???

posted on 30 Jan 2013, 08:56

104. SuperNexus (Posts: 127; Member since: 18 Jan 2013)

you forget to consider the market share and WP growth which is still low for a new OS.

If you consider market share, then suppose their are 100 smartphone sold
70 of them are Android
5 of them are WP

Now tell me where you can earn profit ?
Although WP has low cost but doesn't have market.

posted on 31 Jan 2013, 07:43

112. LumiaLover (Posts: 194; Member since: 27 Sep 2012)

Yes but those 70 are spread across numerous devices and are dominated by Samsung. How many of those 70 would Nokia get? It's a big risk for them because if they switched to Android and still only got 5% of the market then they would be losing money based on staying on the more profitable WP8 platform. Don't you think that if it was that much of a no brainer and so easy to make huge profits, they would have switched to Android already. Nokia were in trouble. They would have analysed the mobile phone market in minute detail and completed exhaustive cost / profit comparisons. They didn't just sit there and say...ah to hell with it, let's go WP8!!

posted on 31 Jan 2013, 09:35

114. SuperNexus (Posts: 127; Member since: 18 Jan 2013)

You don't understand what I have said. Nokia perform better if competition is on same platform. Remember Symbian , Nokia have largest market share and Now in WP too. But if they start manufacturing Android phone then they never got situation like now( I mean still number 1 manufacturer). If in past they choose Android, they still be number 1.
But if they can do it now to it still be profitable because Nokia is trusted brand. It is not like that in one or 2 year Android is going down, it will take many year and same WP market is not going up any time soon it will take years, i think now Nokia can start producing both platform phone.Instead sticking with WP only. Only this strategy can back Nokia to track.

posted on 31 Jan 2013, 10:42

115. LumiaLover (Posts: 194; Member since: 27 Sep 2012)

I think I understand what you are saying. I can see your point that had they have chosen Android at the beginning then yes they could have built a strong market position, but now that won't be possible. I don't agree that they can make more profit on Android now than they can WP8. On that point I think you are wrong, because if they could, they would.

posted on 31 Jan 2013, 11:53

117. SuperNexus (Posts: 127; Member since: 18 Jan 2013)

Stephon Elop(CEO Nokia) is ex-Microsoft employee and Microsoft employee and Google employee hate each other. He has still good relationship with Microsoft.
The only reason Nokia is not making Android phone is because of their CEO.
I am sure if Nokia start producing Android phone it will be successful.
I hope Nokia will produce other platform phone too like Jolla, Tizen.etc in coming year.
Because if Nokia only stick with WP it will be not good for their business.

posted on 29 Jan 2013, 10:37 1

66. threed61 (Posts: 246; Member since: 27 May 2011)

If Nokia had switched to Android instead of WP, they would be in the same situation. Their problem wasn't the OS so much as the corporate process. Every new product had to gain approval from literally dozens of managers, committees, etc. By the time a phone made it through this circus, it was already obsolete. Getting rid of the decision making bloat was Nokia's most important cost cutting measure.

posted on 29 Jan 2013, 05:29 9

14. Darkrai (Posts: 7; Member since: 16 Jan 2013)

Nokia Should Continue With Windows Phone 8 And Never Adopt Android As Its getting Common and Common.We Should Get More Variety Of OS's Because Something Which Goes Up must Come Down.

posted on 29 Jan 2013, 05:29 12

15. KangLee (Posts: 15; Member since: 05 Sep 2012)

I think they made only but perfect choice for them. I don't think Android will work them. Lumia body with Android SO experience? That looks weird. From my personal experience with Samsung Galaxy S2 and Nokia Lumia 900, WP is 200% better OS than Android. Android is way too laggy and buggy. They are even catching up on the number of App available on WP. Alot major Apps are available on WP.

posted on 29 Jan 2013, 11:04

69. totally_rad (Posts: 13; Member since: 29 Jan 2013)

lumia 900? you're saying that a wp7, an OS that doesn't even have orientation lock is better than android 4? are you retarded? catching up? 600k vs 100k apps? yeah... sure!
a less than a month old flagship android with double the features of the lumia 920, costs the same!
catching up? SURE!!!!!

posted on 31 Jan 2013, 10:47

116. LumiaLover (Posts: 194; Member since: 27 Sep 2012)

600K apps, 599k of which are total crap.....yeah right!! Quality not quantity for me pal. How many apps can you actually load to your phone anyway?

posted on 29 Jan 2013, 05:31 2

18. fanboy1974 (Posts: 1345; Member since: 12 Nov 2011)

Let them die if they don't make the switch to Android. The company is too stubborn to know where the money is.

posted on 29 Jan 2013, 07:14 2

30. LumiaLover (Posts: 194; Member since: 27 Sep 2012)

The money is only there for Samsung!

posted on 29 Jan 2013, 09:17 1

55. -RVM- (Posts: 331; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)

I'm not proponent of Android, but i'm pretty sure Nokia would do better with it. Nokia is not HTC or LG, who have troubles fighting with Samsung. Nokia is technologically more advanced than Samsung (they have basicly everything Samsung has + camera and audio technologies, free offline turn by turn navigation etc), so they would get more and more of the pie.

posted on 29 Jan 2013, 05:32

19. someones4 (Posts: 625; Member since: 16 Sep 2012)

DEMOCRACY!! Nokia needs more than Windows OS which is trying to mimic Android anyway... I tried Windows and it's way too boring. Great for serious business people, not so much for the everyday user

posted on 29 Jan 2013, 05:47 7

22. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)

How in the world is WP trying to mimic Android?

posted on 29 Jan 2013, 07:16 4

31. LumiaLover (Posts: 194; Member since: 27 Sep 2012)

You couldn't get two more diverse operating systems...WP8 is for adults...Android is for children like you

posted on 29 Jan 2013, 09:01 1

52. Reluctant_Human (Posts: 904; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)

Please explain how WP8 is for adults? If anything WP is such a simple OS that its for children and seniors.

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