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The power of the 1% over mobile devices (expandable memory and removable batteries)

0. phoneArena posted on 31 Mar 2012, 13:35

If there is anything that we try to do consistently, it is to point out that personal opinion does not equal one side of a right/wrong argument. There is a growing trend of manufacturers not including SD card slots or...

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posted on 01 Apr 2012, 01:07

77. Whateverman (Posts: 3284; Member since: 17 May 2009)

Okay, three of you have got your panties all in a bunch about something, but I can't figure out what it is. Are you really thumbing me down because data cables are cheap? If that's the case, your problems are a lot bigger then my harmless little comments

posted on 02 Apr 2012, 22:55 1

119. WKlingbeil (Posts: 215; Member since: 26 Dec 2008)

Haha you're talking about other peoples' panties in a bunch, but you're throwing a hissy fit over people thumbing you down? Haha, I thumbed both comments down just so you could cry some more.

posted on 02 Apr 2012, 22:56

120. WKlingbeil (Posts: 215; Member since: 26 Dec 2008)

And then I thumbed my own comment down, in hopes of making you cry some more!

posted on 02 Apr 2012, 23:38

125. Whateverman (Posts: 3284; Member since: 17 May 2009)

Sweet little girl like you could never make a man like me cry. Run along now Nancy. Lol!

posted on 31 Mar 2012, 14:42 3

14. rallyguy (Posts: 620; Member since: 13 Mar 2012)

HTC One with 1800 mah? Maybe the T-Mobile, but the Sprint version, the Evo One is rumored to have a 2650 mah battery. If that is the case I think it will be fine, and it also is going to have a micro sd card slot. So they are still being used.


posted on 31 Mar 2012, 15:17

21. Outrager (Posts: 8; Member since: 26 Mar 2012)

It's a rumor. No point bringing it up until it's confirmed.

posted on 31 Mar 2012, 14:54 1

16. azri05 (unregistered)

That guy @phoenixpr going to be here somewhere posting same annoying opinion lol

posted on 31 Mar 2012, 16:10 1

28. phoenixpr (Posts: 167; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)

LOL! Dude like I said, if this is going to be my option, It's gonna be a no brainier to just get an iPhone, at least I will have a better ecosystem and the apple genius bar to go to. Guys good luck with the new breed of Android. LOL! If I'm gonna be force to use a cloud service, LOL! once again no brainier to go on to Apple's cloud service. @azi05, you made me LOL with your post, Thanks... I am only kinda mad because I'm that 1% power use. I feel so lonely...

posted on 31 Mar 2012, 17:24 1

44. willardcw4 (Posts: 169; Member since: 01 Oct 2011)

Use that '1% power use' and take some grammar lessons. Oh, and stop using 'LOL' so much. It makes you look unintelligent.

posted on 31 Mar 2012, 22:07 1

57. bayusuputra (Posts: 963; Member since: 12 Feb 2012)

even if he doesn't use LOL, he still looks unintelligent..

posted on 31 Mar 2012, 23:28 1

70. phoenixpr (Posts: 167; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)

LOL! Yet your the one that is very happy with 8GB and no expansion slots, 3G and no removable battery, LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL!

posted on 31 Mar 2012, 23:05 1

62. phoenixpr (Posts: 167; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)

LOL! Thanks for looking out for my reputation sweetie, I didn't know you care. OK I just signed up for grammar class tomorrow alone with your mother & father who needs it as well. Don't forget to pick us up. The yellow school doesn't start till next week.

posted on 02 Apr 2012, 22:59

121. WKlingbeil (Posts: 215; Member since: 26 Dec 2008)

The yellow school? Is that supposed to be some kind of undercut racial slur toward Asians? You racist Puerto Rican.

posted on 02 Apr 2012, 23:13 1

123. phoenixpr (Posts: 167; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)

You just posted the dumest post ever. How does any one get Yellow school for asians. Dum assss! How dare you call Asian yellow, you racist freak. Here a another one, you dum fool. Blue School! Now what. LOL! Get to the gym you fat butthead.

posted on 01 Apr 2012, 10:46

95. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)

we get it you LOVE apple

posted on 01 Apr 2012, 11:22 1

98. phoenixpr (Posts: 167; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)

You still don't get it, I much rather have an Android. I only LOVE Apple ecosystem and apple genius bar. So don't want to harp, I do Love Android, Like my current HTC Evo. Never ever owned an iCrap iPhone.

posted on 31 Mar 2012, 15:06 4

17. AppleConspiracy (Posts: 637; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)

Michael Heller, I'm afraid this is again the work of Apple's God status. They first decided what is uneccesary for us, even when majority thought it was. We listened to our master, because we got an object of desire in return. And when Apple decide something, everyone will adapt. The key to this is simple: we actually don't need anything at all. We need only food, water, shelter, social integraton and reproduction. For everything else, it's only a matter of desire, which could be engineered. And whilst technological world passively and uncounciousely invented desires for us, Apple was doing it actively, distancing itself from canon on purpose, to leave everyone behind. And now majority indeed don't need removable battery and expandable memory, so you can write your article with some artificial analysis, not knowing it was allways Apple's command, making its way for alternative solutions and exclusive position among everyone else.

posted on 31 Mar 2012, 15:10

19. azri05 (unregistered)

The 1st april fool of the day? Nah..

posted on 31 Mar 2012, 15:20 5

22. AppleConspiracy (Posts: 637; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)

May I remind that Apple introduced unremovable battery and non-expandable memory when that was practically unimaginable. And, oh yes, they also removed a whole bunch of logical features, like MMS, delivery reports and so on... just to remind you that it was the plan - to start their own rules which everyone will have to follow. Now we got used to it and accepted the alternatives, so we can make dozens of rationalizations and theories why we didn't need it.

posted on 01 Apr 2012, 01:10 1

78. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2720; Member since: 26 May 2011)

You can believe what you want. If you want to put Apple up on that pedestal, and claim it has the power to control our brains, go for it. I'm sure someone out there will agree with you.

Personally, I think Apple just saw the same trend that others are seeing now. The vast majority of people don't use SD cards if there is sufficient internal storage and the vast majority never buy a second battery, and so never need to have a removable battery. If the customer doesn't need it, leaving it out is an easy way to cut a tiny bit of cost per handset.

It's just a math problem, not the hand of God.

posted on 01 Apr 2012, 02:00 4

80. AppleConspiracy (Posts: 637; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)

You are clearly a smart guy, but isn't this a litle bit contradictory? How can you see the trend before it actually occurs?
You mustn't confuse trends with potential for trends. Trends are mostly created by unconcious dimension of social, economic and technological life (please read Malcolm Gladwell), however they can be purposely engineered but to achieve that you need vast media resources and most of all a charisma, cult following, something transcedental instead of merely technical.

So it's not a math problem, it's a religious problem. You can't just change the expectations, no matter what rational sense it makes, without having a power of belief. That's why everyone else failed when they tried to ommit something, and Apple allways succeded. People just believed in them and soon adapted.

The formula for Apple's success is that they change something radical, but they are simply accepted by the users because users just want to listen what Apple says. Then, when world adapts to Apple standards, they use something which is called A POSTERIORI RATIONALIZATION, in which they say they never really needed it (of course they didn't, you can say that for practically everything) and that Apple was a visionaire.

Just remember the story with Adobe Flash: first we were shocked, but somehow still believed in Apple - intstead adapting to Internet and the World, the Internet and the World adapted to Apple's decision. And now everyone is doing this a posteriori rationalization - we don't need it, making sites in Flash sucks, it's slow, it's buggy and so on...

Think about it ;-)

posted on 01 Apr 2012, 10:40 2

94. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2720; Member since: 26 May 2011)

Cell phones, removable batteries and sd card slots existed well before Apple made its move into smartphones. Sales for accessories can be cross referenced with sales for the device it would be compatible with. I'm sure there have been studies done on sd card usage in mobile devices before the iPhone existed. The data was there and the trends were there, Apple just made good on it. Don't claim causality because you can't see further back past Apple.

Even if Apple hadn't killed Flash, HTML5 would have killed it, because that "posteriori rationalization" existed before Apple's decision as well.

Smart people do smart things, and try to do them before others. Did we rationalize the change when Google started the trend to give enormous amounts of online storage space in Gmail and other products? Did we bash Google for trying to force us into the cloud? No, we applaud them, as we should Apple, for seeing the better way and making it happen. And guess what? If you don't like that path, offline e-mail still exists for anyone that wants it.

posted on 01 Apr 2012, 17:18 1

104. chadrick0814 (unregistered)

Michael, apple didn't leave out SD cards to set a trend. They left it out for money.Period. Swapping data with an SD card would be virtually impossible with ITunes. If iPhone had an SD card slot, would anyone buy any iPhone model beyond 16gb? You acknowledge its also a cost cutting measure. But pretending they leave out features because 99% of consumers don't want it is false. I guess 99% of consumers also say they don't want 4g? Face it, apple is cool and that's what allows them to get away with selling devices lacking features. They know their users will just say "I don't need that anyway." And because you can't miss what you never had, they are mostly right. Other manufacturers saw that apple was making money from the cloud and wanted to jump on the money making trend, not the "consumer doesn't want it " trend. When one airline started charging bag fees, other airlines laughed at them...until they learned that they made $250 million on them. Now they all charge the fee, save one. But airlines aren't charging bag fees because 99% of consumers want it.

posted on 01 Apr 2012, 20:11 1

105. phoenixpr (Posts: 167; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)

Amen!! Agree!

posted on 02 Apr 2012, 16:51

116. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2720; Member since: 26 May 2011)

Admittedly, the reasoning was a mix of greed and trendsetting, but we can't say that others are cutting out sd cards for purely customer-driven reasons either. Yes, Apple wanted to have an easy way to charge an extra $100 for more internal storage, but at the same time, the relatively few users opting for the larger internal memory proves that most people don't really need that much storage, sd card or not.

posted on 02 Apr 2012, 02:06 2

114. AppleConspiracy (Posts: 637; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)

Michael, you would be suprised with how many things we statistically either don't actually use or could use some kind of alternative. If you think about it, we could easily come to conclusion that "car" needs to be redefined. They are allways the same and perhaps unneccesary as they are. As a MA in industrial design a know that very well, and not only do I know the history of Apple and its "procedures", I know the whole history of 20th century capitalist production.

For this revolutionary changes to take place however, usage statistics aren't enough and you won't be smart if you try to change them, but you would be stupid. Because you need to understand the concept of technological paradigm. Deep integration in consumer expectations can be broken only with the power of blind belief. Apple has engineered this belief for a long time (as of 1998. when first iMac was here, and then with iPod), and they reached the peak in 2007. with iPhone.

They allways played on religion card - never just technical!
I will remind you about "retina" screen. How come suddenly the whole world fall into paradox by putting IPS-grade screens on cell phones and they wouldn't do it for decades in segment that actually needeed it? Do you think no one ever thought of high-density WYSIWYG screens before iPhone4? They did, however they couldn't do it because technological paradigm has its inertia in consumers, and it can be change only by an external and transcedental force of persuasion that Apple has. And you ignore it, reducing this clearly dominant world phenomenon to technicality.

Sorry to inform you - it is this short sightedness that you have the main reason why Steve Jobs has been able to be "smarter" than everyone. We designers have allways thought like Steve Jobs. He is not God, he is simply ordinary man who thinks like a designer. Unforunately, most important CEOs of main manufacturers weren't and now they pay the price, and still can't get it. Becuse they are businessmen, economists, technologist and they can never see the bigger picture.

Michael, everything that now occurs in technolgiy and industry is now dictated by Apple. Everything else is just rationalization. You didn't understand what I was trying to say, I hope now you do.

posted on 02 Apr 2012, 23:08

122. WKlingbeil (Posts: 215; Member since: 26 Dec 2008)

I will thumbs up every post of yours from now on just because of your user name. I agree that people do not think on their own when it comes to Apple though. I mean, I only need to take their "It Just Works" ad campaign as my example. What just works? Having a plug that easily comes out when you trip over it? How many desktops are there in the world sitting in the middle of a bedroom and not against the wall with the outlets? People actually used that line, only deepening my disdain for that fruit company. Apple's mission is to make people think as little as possible, that's why their UI's are so easy to understand. At least Android users are forced to think about what they're going to do. When in human history have we ever sought the easy route for everything like we do when it comes to Apple products? "Duhhhh, I want to push button and have stuff happen. No think too much!" I don't know that I would say Apple has this "god" appeal, but I do see them as a company nobody wants to question because... well... "It just works."

posted on 31 Mar 2012, 15:06 2

18. deaton5 (unregistered)

Leaving your device on a charger all night after the battery has hit 100% can be quite bad for the lifetime health of your battery???


I have used a Sony P1i for the last 6 years leaving it on the charger ALL NIGHT for each and EVERY DAY of that time. The Sony brand (but made in China) lithium battery is as good as the day I bought the phone!

posted on 31 Mar 2012, 15:12 4

20. dallas90733 (Posts: 36; Member since: 06 Mar 2011)

Sorry guys, I just can't imagine the Sprint-SGSII without a Sd slot & removeable battery. I know the future is in the clouds, but the SGSII wouldn't be the same phone.Nexus Prime vs SGSII; the Prime is a very very good phone, but honestly, I'll take the SGSII over the Nexus Prime or the Droid Razr, which both are great phones.I guess they will remove SD slot from Tablets next; Then bluRay from laptop and desktop..might as well cause everything is going to the clouds.

posted on 31 Mar 2012, 16:16 2

29. phoenixpr (Posts: 167; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)

So true, I'm not buying that. The more data they can force you to use, the more money they get. As far as people saying I will still have option, LOL! Yeah the CRAP left over Androids that no one want, but the high end phone, are what I wanted. LOL!

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