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“The agony and ecstasy of Steve Jobs” monologue released under open license

0. phoneArena posted on 22 Feb 2012, 08:45

Mike Daisey’s “The agony and ecstasy of Steve Jobs” is a bold take on the working conditions at Apple’s overseas factories from the viewpoint of the Apple’s former chief executive…

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posted on 22 Feb 2012, 09:13 2

1. thnkthru3 (Posts: 73; Member since: 25 Dec 2011)

Power of the media....Apple will hopefully clean up their act and we will continue to enjoy their products with a clear conscience. All sounds good!

posted on 22 Feb 2012, 09:57 7

2. jmoita2 (Posts: 930; Member since: 23 Dec 2011)

Sure; Apple will all of a sudden grow a conscience. It will thus decide to build their products in the US, providing dignity and decent wages to their employees,as well as a profit sharing program. Why not throw into that mix peace in the Middle East and affordable electric cars for everybody as well?
What mushrooms have you been eating???

posted on 22 Feb 2012, 10:03 8

3. andro. (Posts: 1999; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)

Apple and conscience can fundamentally not exist togther because greed has rooted itself to the very core seed of apple and this combination of apple and greed has been fortified throughout the ages by the mindless spending of ifans who repeatedly buy the same apple products over and over again to the point where apple and greed cannot be separated by any means currently known to mankind

posted on 22 Feb 2012, 10:44 2

6. cellphonator (Posts: 298; Member since: 29 Oct 2011)

I'm not an ifan but is it only Apple to exploit the system? They found the way to do it, any big Corporations dreams to do the same.
Unfortunately to change this will be hard and long and I don't see any will or sign of this to happen any soon. It's not pessimism just what I see.

posted on 22 Feb 2012, 10:24 1

4. cellphonator (Posts: 298; Member since: 29 Oct 2011)

Btw, I tried to buy mushroom in a can at the grocery store and they were made in China. I'm not kidding, this is the world we live today.

Change this will be very hard and long but unfortunately I don't see any will or signs in our society that point in that direction. It's not pessimism but just what I see.

posted on 22 Feb 2012, 11:06

9. thnkthru3 (Posts: 73; Member since: 25 Dec 2011)

No one said anything about Apple growing a conscience...only the possibily that they take some real action in response to strong public opinion. I don't think this story is just going to go away. Of course that is just my opinion.

posted on 22 Feb 2012, 10:42 5

5. ilia1986 (unregistered)

This is a great read.

Every Apple consumer needs to read this. Everyone. Then - and possible only then - will they realize what I have realized some time ago.

Apple is just a f******g business which only cares about our f******g money, and Steve Jobs was nothing more than a f*******g salesman. There is no f*******g magic!

Seriously - before you thumb me down - read the monologue. All of it. Then respond.

posted on 22 Feb 2012, 10:47 4

7. cellphonator (Posts: 298; Member since: 29 Oct 2011)

It's indeed a great read.

BUT I'd say every consumer need to read this, not only every Apple consumer.

posted on 22 Feb 2012, 10:52 4

8. ilia1986 (unregistered)

Yes, but it is Apple users first and foremost who need to read it. Especially page 52 which is the freaking gospel truth.

posted on 22 Feb 2012, 11:35 2

10. iBeliever (banned) (Posts: 33; Member since: 21 Feb 2012)

How old are you? Are you really so dumb to think Apple is the only company driven by profit?

posted on 22 Feb 2012, 11:48 5

11. ilia1986 (unregistered)

Nope. However Apple is the only company with such a huge blindly following fan base, which exaggerates so much in the promotion of it's products that it refers to them as Magical. Oh, and they are the richest, most popular consumer electronics company on the planet, ever.

The bigger they are - the harder they fall. And this just shows how hard their fall will be and how corrupted everything they do really is.

posted on 22 Feb 2012, 11:56

12. iBeliever (banned) (Posts: 33; Member since: 21 Feb 2012)

Every company promotes their products and tries to make money. Lots of companies have loyal customers. Honda does, Verizon does, Samsung does. You're making yourself look like a child which you probably are.

The sad part for you is Apple is just ramping up. With iTV, iPad 3 and iPhone 5 coming out this year their dominance will extend. And with iPads and iBooks in schools the next generation will grow up using Apple products. It's awesome because they'll learn what quality is and not use android junk.

posted on 22 Feb 2012, 12:04 6

13. ilia1986 (unregistered)

I am 25 years old, moron.

My point is that Apple - among all else - does not deserve even a fraction of the loyalty, as well as even a fraction of the money it makes. And in the field of consumer electronics, Apple has the most loyal fan base, and makes the most.

It's amusing to see the fan boys all shout how Apple is the greatest thing ever, but when it gets criticized - oh no - then Apple is just another company.

The sad part for you is that Apple is going to fall very very soon. All those iTVs iPads, iPhones and Macs are going to remain on the shelves for a long time. No company holds forever - and Apple has already reached saturation feature-wise in it's products.

posted on 22 Feb 2012, 12:08

14. iBeliever (banned) (Posts: 33; Member since: 21 Feb 2012)

Keep telling yourself that. And you're 25 going on 16.

posted on 22 Feb 2012, 13:11 3

15. squallz506 (banned) (Posts: 1075; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)

is that you taco?

posted on 22 Feb 2012, 13:15 1

16. ilia1986 (unregistered)

It's entirely possible. In either case - he didn't read the monologue.

posted on 22 Feb 2012, 13:23 3

18. andro. (Posts: 1999; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)

Certainly seems like taco,has the same writing style,stupidity,immaturity and blind defending of the apple overlords,but then they are inherit traits with majority of ifanatics so you'd never know.

posted on 22 Feb 2012, 13:23 2

17. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

has anyone done a taco check? His last account mysteriously stopped posting a few days ago after the last taco check.. hopefully its not a coincidence. :)

posted on 22 Feb 2012, 13:34

20. ilia1986 (unregistered)

If it is taco - we should ring the taco bell. :D

posted on 22 Feb 2012, 14:41

22. gallitoking (Posts: 4721; Member since: 17 May 2011)

you guys deop the taco check and move on.. it could be another member of the Apple Army.. I mean there are millions and millions out there

posted on 22 Feb 2012, 21:12

28. parkwaydr (Posts: 572; Member since: 07 Sep 2011)

So there are millions just like you? Sweet Jesus the myians were right........
Hold on I have to make sure you can understand

So.........there millions...............like you......................world end............................2012

posted on 22 Feb 2012, 15:34

24. biophone (Posts: 1994; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)

Apple has such loyality because alot of people love their products. Its about the experience and if its good your consumers will come back. That is the sign of a good bussines.

posted on 22 Feb 2012, 23:16 1

29. bayusuputra (Posts: 963; Member since: 12 Feb 2012)

when you chose the word dominance, it shows that apple wants to control the whole market.. yes, all companies want profits, but to monopolise? that's just beyond me.. i, as customers, want choice, something that apple will not give when it monopolised the industry.. every companies has their own followers, i can't argue with that.. but fanatics? no, that's not right.. that's psychotic..
All companies are driven by greed, the hope to make tons of money.. who doesn't want that? money is not everything, but money can buy you almost anything.. but the difference here is that, apple, the richest, biggest company today, want to shut down competitors by no means of fair competition, instead, their greed has force them to use unfair terms of competition.. they can steal, but others can't.. they are the great artists.. and what is quality? what quality does apple products have? aluminium body? well, HTC has that too.. other than design, what other aspect of quality apple has to offer? fragile glass? they know jolly well they can't compete nowadays, but instead of pushing their technological ability to the limit, they just pushed the law and greediness to the limit.. and that's the thing that makes apple is wrong.. i respect SJ, he can single handedly transform the landscape of technology.. but the way he led his company was wrong, something that doesn't speak of a true competitor.. he didn't want apple to have competitors, he wanted apple to rule them all.. if you tell me microsoft if monopolising the PC, tell me, how many affordable machines apple has to penetrate the lower income? what about linux? they are great, but are they user friendly? the vast amount of hardware manufacturers offering hardwares in different specs and price is what draws customers.. and the relatively simpler interface compared to linux speaks itself too.. and as there are more lower income than the higher income, of course the number of adoption will be higher, and since it is higher, it will be adopted by more, just like facebook..

so, here's what, apple should not monopolising and start doing some real competition.. it's an insult to tech industry and the customers what apple is doing now..

posted on 22 Feb 2012, 13:24

19. ZEUS.the.thunder.god (unregistered)

agree with you

posted on 22 Feb 2012, 14:33 1

21. good2great (Posts: 1042; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)

this site has grown to be one of the best for people to stop by and get the latest news in the mobile world... thanks PA

its also awesome that its more of a forum for people to communicate their knowledge and opinions about the articles...

whats not cool is reading through the comments, we have people cyber bullying up on others because of what they like or dislike...

i believe the administrators allow this activity because it provides high site traffic which looks good overall because of the many comments it gets.

APPLE articles are the cause of these wars... 20+ comments on almost everything apple and 90% are from android users.

i know we all have rights and freedom to click and say whatever we want but come on guys... its gonna be the downfall of this site because sooner or later most of us are gonna become sick of all the foolishness that goes on here...

PhoneArena and its writers do an amazing job getting us the info in a timely manner. Thank you for that...

i just hope it doesnt end up like BGR where they "disabled" everyone's ability to comment because of the harassment and negativity...

posted on 22 Feb 2012, 17:34

26. cellphonator (Posts: 298; Member since: 29 Oct 2011)

True, I signed up a while back and I enjoy good conversations without insults, but it's really becoming annoying to just see negativity and bullying each other trying to say my favorite brand it's better than yours when it's not about better or worse but just what you feel more comfortable using.
Now there will be some Android fans chiming in saying "but Apple fans say iPhone is magic".....BS the problem is that there are a lot of kids here and if you want to destroy the name of a Company based on what a kid say, go ahead waste you time. What? Apples says it? It's advertising, marketing, it's like a detergent company that sells its product in a green bottle and shows you on tv open green lands, the beauty of nature, clean rivers......again BS. Get over it!

posted on 22 Feb 2012, 17:38

27. EclipseGSX (Posts: 1743; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)

are you going to post this on every article? give it a rest, no one cares. If you don't like it, don't read the flippin comments. Its that simple

posted on 23 Feb 2012, 04:48

32. ilia1986 (unregistered)

Because - good2great - for many many many people, mentioning Apple is aking to going to the US congress, and mentioning the name of lee harvey oswald. You gotta expect at least some people to react to that.

Don't you ever wonder why there isn't as much negativity coming from Apple users in Android articles? Why all the negativity is based mostly on Apple articles? There is a reason for that. And it's a valid one.

posted on 22 Feb 2012, 14:54 1

23. Alistair (Posts: 19; Member since: 16 May 2011)

at this point it doesn't matter what os you prefer, or what phone company you swear too. The fact of the matter is that we in America have bigger issues then what happens in the cell phone life or what really happened behind closed doors at apple, i don't think anything will change the fact that these companies are all active in the same means of marketing and development. Why only occupy wall street why not occupy Cupertino, or Taiwan. Canada, Korea, or China.....because we all need our mobile devices....not jobs....not investments back into our own markets and economy....we all need something stuck to our faces or we can't survive. That is the danger that we don't cover our addiction to mobile and that " I can give it up anytime I wanted too" mentality.

posted on 22 Feb 2012, 16:08 4

25. jmoita2 (Posts: 930; Member since: 23 Dec 2011)

ibeliever is most likely typing at your local Apple store at the mall,where he does his best to spread the Jobs Gospel to us,the unwashed.. What an appropriate screen name,though. But it should have been iKoolaiddrinker.

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