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The Nexus 4, Moto X and how Google is changing Android perception from "high spec" to "high experience"

0. phoneArena posted on 05 Jul 2013, 12:44

As I've tried to remind our readership on numerous occasions in my time here at PhoneArena, we all live in a fishbowl. We all have more intimate knowledge of mobile technology than the average consumer, because we all share a passion for the subject and seek out more information. The trouble is that we are still human, and we don't reflect on our views often enough, and instead we use shortcuts to prove our opinions. So, when a company like Google/Motorola is actively trying to change the conversation around Android, it can take longer to land in our community than the average consumer, because we have so many preconceptions...

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posted on 05 Jul 2013, 14:17 1

29. bigstrudel (Posts: 529; Member since: 20 Aug 2012)

Yet the user experience is exactly the same or better using those "unmatured" OS's. Makes you think. Well not you of course.

posted on 05 Jul 2013, 14:43 3

38. tedkord (Posts: 14133; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)

A jet burns more fuel than a two seater prop plane. Thats just the way it is.

posted on 05 Jul 2013, 17:18 1

89. applesauce (banned) (Posts: 165; Member since: 26 Aug 2012)

Interesting turn of phrase. A prop plane is somewhat accessible and reasonably easy to get a pilot's license for. A jet is much more difficult to master and requires more certifications and training, but has great rewards to match, mostly faster speeds and arguably fewer finicky items to be a bother, such that folks will gladly pay for a ticket on a jet, but begrudgingly pay for one for a prop-driven craft. That is, metaphorically, ios and WP could be seen as prop-planes, functional and easy to master, whereas android is a sort of jet, harder to master, but lots more potential besides, though somewhat unneeded by most folk.

posted on 05 Jul 2013, 15:38

56. DaNTRoN (Posts: 135; Member since: 23 Jul 2012)

I literally see no lag my n4 after 4 months. I didn't see too much lag with my previous phones either. I think it all depends on user savvy. Android is an os that requires some maintenance, and that's never been a problem. But if the os is doing what is supposed to and some users can't manage it that's not the phone or the os fault

posted on 05 Jul 2013, 13:17 2

9. Commentator (Posts: 3722; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)

"Specs are an argument for fanboys and trolls, because the belief is that specs remove the need for subjective opinion, which couldn't be farther from the truth."

While I'm sure the author's sentiment is in the right place, I nonetheless resent this statement. I consider myself neither fanboy nor troll, but I still place emphasis on specs when judging smartphone choices based on the emotional comfort I receive in knowing that, theoretically, it should have a longer lifespan ("futureproof") than something of lower specifications.

This might seem counter-intuitive, and maybe it is, but it seems that discounting the spec-supremacy argument from the smartphone "wars" strips "our culture" of an emotional attachment to the idea of striving towards the future, and of the progress of the industry. Sure, experience is a major factor, and only the most socially-challenged commenters in this community would discount other people's subjective opinions (and unfortunately I think PhoneArena has at least its fair share of these types), but to narrow down the spec-argument to irrational "trolls and fanboys" is no more noble than those spec-loving trolls/fanboys that demean iPhone users, et al, for choosing a "lesser" platform.

In short, I admit I would LOVE to get my hands on a 3GHZ octa-core-powered 4K-screened 4500 mAh Android-powered device, just for the specs alone. I'm one of those people that loves that sore of thing. I would also argue that such a device suits me better than an iPhone or a Windows Phone, because it suits my needs. I am NOT a fanboy or a troll.

posted on 05 Jul 2013, 13:20 1

11. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)

Exynos 5450 or the A57 clocked at 3.0Ghz.

posted on 05 Jul 2013, 13:46

20. bigstrudel (Posts: 529; Member since: 20 Aug 2012)

Seems pretty slow for a PC. Cause that won't run in A mobile device without a huge battery and a fan.

Keep dreaming.

posted on 05 Jul 2013, 18:50

102. VZWuser76 (Posts: 4783; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)

I'm sure they said the same thing about quad core processors running over 1.5GHz a few years ago. The more we advance technology, the more the impossible becomes possible.

As to your earlier comment, yes it would definitely help to optimize the software to the hardware, but unless you either make a couple of devices (like Apple) or set a hardware spec for devices running your OS (like WP) it would be a huge undertaking. With multiple devices you would have so many permutations of the OS that the word "fragmentation" would take on a whole new meaning.

One of the main benefits of Android is choice, not just in the software, but also in the variety of hardware available. With iOS your limited to one model with your only choice being storage capacity. With WP you essentially have the same phone made by different OEMs, the differences being OEM specific software.

Lastly, I guess I really don't see the big deal about occasional lag. There is almost no device (computing or mechanical) that doesn't lag at some point. The fact that we're talking about opening an app in half a second or 2 seconds after the push just seems idiotic, and really is only for bragging rights. If this were about it taking 10 seconds plus I could see an issue, but otherwise it just seems picky and whiny. The only time I've ever seen my phone lag over a second is when I'm listening to music, updating apps, and opening my browser. I'm ok with that.

posted on 05 Jul 2013, 14:19

31. Igneel (unregistered)

"3GHZ octa-core-powered 4K-screened 4500 mAh". I don't think it's a need. It's more like a desire.. moreover, 4500 mAh battery won't be enough for a 3Ghz 4k-screened Android. One of my N4, hacked to use 4200 mAh battery and can only last one day with 7 HOST (hours of screen time). So with 4 times the display res and twice clock speed, maybe it can last a day and 3 HOST like a normal N4.. but then it's what you love and hoped so good luck with that :) I'd like to see a beast like that but won't be needing it of course.

posted on 05 Jul 2013, 14:24

34. Commentator (Posts: 3722; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)

I need it to fulfill my desire for it, so I would consider it a need. Not that important of a need, mind you, (because I try not to place too much emphasis on material desires like this, though it can be hard not to) but desires and needs go hand in hand.

posted on 05 Jul 2013, 14:58

44. Igneel (unregistered)

Yeah, I understand how that strong desire desire made it seems needed :P I just think it's nice to be able to separate the two and have a better management of them.. And about the specs, I get it. Haha. I can imagine commenting on a long article and trying to clear your point. You've point it good enough.

posted on 05 Jul 2013, 14:28

36. Commentator (Posts: 3722; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)

Also, I didn't really put too much thought into what it was I was saying at that point, I pretty much just rattled off a bunch of high-end specs. How they went together (HOST issues, etc.) didn't factor in at all. I (selfishly, I admit) just wanted to get my comment over with fast enough that it wouldn't be buried under dozens of other ones at the bottom of the page.

posted on 05 Jul 2013, 16:04 1

64. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2720; Member since: 26 May 2011)

Very true. I wasn't accurate enough with my language there. I think better phrasing would be "Specs become the sole arguing point of fanboys and trolls..."

I don't mean to say that they aren't important, just that there are far more important aspects of the argument. I'll edit that bit for clarity. Thanks for the comment!

posted on 08 Jul 2013, 08:58

136. applesauce (banned) (Posts: 165; Member since: 26 Aug 2012)

I'm sure that such a device is compelling, but at today's standards, it'd be thicker than a Lumia 920 or HTC Vivid with an Otterbox on it, and you wouldn't really be able to enjoy the 4K screen anyway unless it were quite sizeable or your were watching it through a microscope.

posted on 05 Jul 2013, 13:26

13. JulianGT (Posts: 89; Member since: 15 Oct 2012)

In my opinion, every high end android smartphone since 2012 us good for day to day use. Even now in 2013, mid range phones are almost perfect and are lag-less. They practically feel High end.

posted on 05 Jul 2013, 13:44 1

17. bigstrudel (Posts: 529; Member since: 20 Aug 2012)

What's happening to the Android midrange is just awesome. Finally pocketable android phones with great performance and displays.

posted on 05 Jul 2013, 19:32

106. hms2407 (Posts: 94; Member since: 25 Apr 2013)

agreed,high-end smartphones are just too big for pockets,their display are too big and can only be operated with two hands i.e xperia z,htc one and s4

posted on 18 Jul 2013, 22:50

143. Charlie_boy (Posts: 71; Member since: 04 Jan 2013)

Exactly, everything essential in a less expensive package!

Corollary to Michael's point, you could use specs to argue which fit your needs and lifestyle. Like, "720p is enough for me" or "I can do with an 8MP camera." No need to chase for the latest and highest specs if it's way too much for you everyday use. Saves you money too.

posted on 05 Jul 2013, 13:26 5

14. roscuthiii (Posts: 2241; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)

Great read Michael. When's this site making you Editor-in-Chief?

posted on 05 Jul 2013, 16:06 3

65. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2720; Member since: 26 May 2011)

Thanks! I'm not sure I'm anywhere near that level, but the compliment is much appreciated.

posted on 05 Jul 2013, 17:18

88. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)

So who is the Editor-in-Cheif Michael....?

How do you find and think how MichealFisher is on PocketNow?


posted on 05 Jul 2013, 18:02

97. ihatesmartphone (unregistered)


posted on 05 Jul 2013, 13:45

18. MistB (Posts: 581; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)

My personal opinion is that Android remains my favourite OS, despite using IOS/Windows Phone 8 and Blackberry, no other OS really offers that level of ambition/excitement and innovation with deep customisation to how you want it with a vast choice at your disposal whatever your income, catering to different sizes each way. Plus the platform is going to extra lengths outside of Smartphone and Tablet eventually making it's way onto Google Glass/TVs/Cars/Game consoles and handhelds. The XPhone may not be a spec beast but it'll be the user experience and technology that will count, call the S4's features gimmicks all you like but most of it's features give us an idea of what OEMs can put onto Android without the limitation of the OS being closed. It'll only get better with KLP and if the 512mb of RAM is anything to go by, then our user experience is about to get a whole lot better!

posted on 05 Jul 2013, 13:47 3

22. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)

You can also run command scripts on Android. Like no others can. ®

posted on 05 Jul 2013, 15:49 3

58. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2720; Member since: 26 May 2011)

Yep, that's definitely something that the majority of users care about.

posted on 05 Jul 2013, 17:21

91. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)

Michael can you tell me if anyone calls another user on PA "Your losing your a fanboy" is that classed as Trolling...?

posted on 05 Jul 2013, 13:46 1

21. biophone (Posts: 1994; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)

This is a point I have been trying to get across for a while (spec

posted on 05 Jul 2013, 16:07 1

66. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2720; Member since: 26 May 2011)

You can't leave us hanging like that! What's the rest of that parenthetical supposed to say?

posted on 05 Jul 2013, 17:02

81. biophone (Posts: 1994; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)

I guess it got cut off...

Said (spec

posted on 05 Jul 2013, 17:04 2

82. biophone (Posts: 1994; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)

... I said (spec < experience )

I then went on to praise the article

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