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The Burning Platform

0. phoneArena posted on 10 Oct 2012, 08:37

Nokia is a remarkable company. It has walked the long, long road from being a single pulp mill in 1865, to a telecommunications giant in the early 21st century. Named after the small Finnish town of Nokia, the company has gone through a number of tough moments in its history, but it has always found a way to go on and swing its way back to the top...

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posted on 11 Oct 2012, 04:45

87. No_Nonsense (unregistered)

Sell phones well and become bankrupt? How does that make sense?

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 11:22

35. haseebzahid (Posts: 1853; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)

two things on this article
1 nokia is not a platform @_@ seriously
2 Ofcourse is PA iphone lover writters what less can we expect from them

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 11:26 2

37. TheRetroReplay (Posts: 254; Member since: 20 Mar 2012)

Former Apple exec, Jean-Louis Gassée, told Nokia to switch to Android when t hey consulted him on what to do and they rejected his idea because they didn't want to lose control of their destiny. That was 3 years ago.

The next year, Elop comes in and immediately destroys Symbian and chooses to adopt Windows Phone. Which is one of the dumbest moves in the tech industry ever made.

If he had bothered to look into the industry, he would have seen that other manufacturers picked up Android and tested the waters with it first. HTC had the G1 (Dream elsewhere), Samsung had the Galaxy and the phone that kicked Android popularity into high gear the Motorola Droid.

And BOOM, those companies saw profits in record numbers and then came the Droid and Galaxy S line, some of the most popular Android phones ever made. And what are HTC and Samsung doing now? They're testing the waters again with Windows Phone, because Windows Mobile was never popular and it sucked.

If Elop had a brain in his head, he would of adopted Android first, pump out some beefy devices to get Nokia out of the slump they were in and get people to remember that Nokia existed. Then when they have money to spare, start working on good WP devices.

But no, Elop derped Nokia even more so than before. They are on the verge of going under and nothing can save them. I don't even think Android will save them at this point in time because they're too far gone, they'll be over shadowed by Samsung, Motorola and HTC.

Why Elop hasn't been ejected from his position of CEO only shows that Nokia just doesn't care.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 11:58 1

42. cheeseaddict (Posts: 49; Member since: 05 Sep 2012)

finally... a non biased or non nokia hater story from phonearena..

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 12:01 1

43. SamsungFan (Posts: 201; Member since: 16 Apr 2012)

Android is the best windows can never keep up with android

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 12:05 4

45. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)

android isnt the best, everything has its pro's and con's

and if your so happy with android why comment on here

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 19:06

74. someones4 (Posts: 625; Member since: 16 Sep 2012)

I agree that it is better than windows though... windows just feels awkward..

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 12:26

46. AmitMajumder (Posts: 178; Member since: 21 May 2012)

Nokia should really choose android....

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 12:32 3

47. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)

nah there lumia 920 looks an excellent phone so no need for android.

besides android aint a guarenteed solution its pretty crowded, why wouldn't you want more choice then just 2 OS's

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 12:39 1

48. TheRetroReplay (Posts: 254; Member since: 20 Mar 2012)

I agree that the Lumia 920 is awesome looking but I don't think it's going to pull Nokia from the brink of extinction.

I would love to see them be the dominant force in the WP market, but they miss stepped and dove right into it. They should of used Android as a stepping stone to get back in the right direction first then move onto WP.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 13:08 1

55. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)

well going for android first wouldnt help them imo, as its a crowded. look at HTC motorla lg

but what would be good is gain traction with wp8 build on it then aim for an android device. but only when there secure (if they get there which i hope they do) nokia could be just like samsung with the right push. and as they have put everything into wp8 thats what they will need to focus on.

future could be nokia with a range of wp8 and android devices

posted on 11 Oct 2012, 05:57 1

89. AmitMajumder (Posts: 178; Member since: 21 May 2012)

Though android is not a guaranteed solution, but it can help them making budget friendly low end devices for consumers. We saw nokia's try to make low end WP powered devices such as the Lumia 610, but it barely runs an app. For example, it would not even angry birds on it, whereas low end devices from samsung can do it. Yes Lumia 920, 900 and 800 are great devices, but can every consumer get them to taste? They should take android to get the best of both worlds- low end budget friendly and high-end smartphones...

posted on 11 Oct 2012, 06:03 1

90. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)

i disagree, if nokia went with android there best bet is to go high end devices. with the wash of samsung, HTC etc low end phones nokia wouldnt make a dent. they would need to bring everything they have in a flagship device.

but for now wp8 is what there going with, and it should be a success. im sure nokia could regain what they once were......still want symbian and meego to be supported but.

posted on 11 Oct 2012, 06:29 1

91. AmitMajumder (Posts: 178; Member since: 21 May 2012)

I fully love Nokia handset's design and build quality. I also think if they go android and make a high-end smartphone with that design and innovation they did in Lumia 920, No other company will stand a chance....

posted on 11 Oct 2012, 06:59 1

92. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)

exactly if nokia brought there 'A' game with an android phone it would stand out over the competition.

i like to think something like the nokia 808 running android

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 12:56

51. downphoenix (Posts: 3165; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)

The problem here is, nokia is, or was, a huge company. It didnt have to put all its eggs in one basket, like they did with Microsoft, which had a much smaller basket than android. It make take up a greater percentage of the eggs in MS's basket than Google's, but Google's is much larger and Nokia would not have lost very many eggs dumping from symbian to Android, but a ton of their eggs hit the ground when dumping to Microsoft's baskets, because it just wasn't big enough to hold many of their eggs.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 13:14

56. yousef8824 (Posts: 36; Member since: 28 Jul 2012)

4 is the best

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 14:33 1

60. denied911 (banned) (Posts: 361; Member since: 31 May 2012)

Ray S. - huge nokia fanboy
easy guy, maybe nokia was best hardware maker, but not now! now samsung htc or foxconn can build the same or better

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 17:57 1

69. McSteezy (Posts: 22; Member since: 18 Aug 2012)

The only thing keeping me from switching to Windows Phone 8 is whether or not Instagram will be on the OS. If Nokia is known for their cameras than why noy spend the extra cash to get the top photo sharring app. And good bye Android!

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 17:59 1

70. jbitounis (Posts: 54; Member since: 08 Oct 2011)

"Yes, it [Meego] was an almost complete platform which could run just fine, but at the end of the day, what more could it provide than the basic experience one could already get from a Symbian handset."

Mr Ray, I am afraid that you, along with many of your colleagues, confuse smartphones with content consumption gadgets. Nokia N9 is as reliable and solid as the E-series Symbian handsets, more intuitive and smooth than iPhones and overall ergonomic as none other. These are the qualities that make an excellent smartphone in my book. The fact that it lacked an official Netflix or Instagram app doesn't make it a bad start for a new platform, now does it? Actually, the OS was so good that spawned an entire new company whose upcoming OS is more hotly anticipated than WP8:
So, yeah, when we're talking smartphones, Nokia actually did a bad move going the Windows way.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 18:43

72. papss (unregistered)

Lol that site was a joke. Who would have thought that they would be so anticipated on their own site? It must be true

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 19:05

73. someones4 (Posts: 625; Member since: 16 Sep 2012)

They can just offer both android and windows like Samsung did...Just see which is the winning horse.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 21:04

76. Nadr1212 (Posts: 741; Member since: 22 Sep 2012)


posted on 10 Oct 2012, 21:06

77. pikapowerize (banned) (Posts: 1869; Member since: 03 May 2012)

i really like the option number 4! and a little #1!!!

rebuild symbian!!! belle fp1 catch up with the game!! the only problem is apps availability and its sucky browser!!!

and i wish MeeGo was continued!!! that OS is very promising! but it is no surprise that elop will trash a pure linux coz he is a microsoft guys and microsoft hate linux!

symbian and Maemo/MeeGo was nokia bread and butter and the one that dress nokia!! they need to continue the support to those OS!! they shouldn't abandon them!

all they need to do is a major revamp! they already forcast that symbian is treated like an old hag... and smybian foundtation has an answer -- the UIQ but what did nokia did? continue to s60! UIQ is a good software and the engineer behind android are the engineer who develop the "should be" answer of symbian!

now look at symbian... belle fp2 is beautiful but it cant be notice coz nokia still dont make a move for symbian's down sides -the apps and the browser!

but if they just listen to the foundation... they wont have this problem! symbian might be popular till now!

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 21:58 1

79. allen83 (Posts: 107; Member since: 01 Mar 2012)

After reading the article of "A story of Meego" I felt a little depress. Knowing that the CEO Elop really pursued the North American first rather than focusing on the other markets where Nokia is strong. I also felt a little disappointed that Nokia's partnership to Intel was a big waste cause I do know that Intel's chips are good give it a time and it will flousrish just like what ELop is doing now although the WP partnership is still not flourishing. The big mistake they did was only focusing on one Market and that is the NA market rather than focusing on the other market. What is a BIG hit at NA is not a BIG hit in the other markets. And as for Meego Elop didn't trust it because developing it was slow. Slowly but surely a big hit when it hit the shelves


posted on 10 Oct 2012, 22:40

82. pikapowerize (banned) (Posts: 1869; Member since: 03 May 2012)

yeah really hate that decision of elop!! MeeGo is promising and N9 should be the first phone to run intel chips!!!

but what did he do? PUT MEEGO AND SYMBIAN TO TRASH!!! and change to WP that is still struggling to gain market! and all WP looks the same! cant be skinned! no differenciation unlike WinMo!

posted on 11 Oct 2012, 02:34 3

85. pravi (Posts: 6; Member since: 05 Oct 2012)

After many days of iPhonism and Androidish comments, this is one of those wonderful articles from PA. Nicely written Ray. Being a samsung S3 user and almost a decade experience with Nokia, I still feel Nokia is the best in terms of handsets.

posted on 11 Oct 2012, 04:55 1

88. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)

IfNokia remains WINDOWS Only company then 'Embrace, extend, and exterminate" philosophy of M$ will finally result in Nokia being taken over by M$. That's the whole game plan in larger perspective.

posted on 11 Oct 2012, 11:02 1

94. prabhsahni92 (Posts: 3; Member since: 06 Oct 2012)

S40 and wp is enough to win heart of millions...
I don tt want llagggy buugggyyyyyy androids......
Keep it up NOKIAAAAA......

posted on 14 Oct 2012, 06:17

115. epdm2be (Posts: 654; Member since: 20 Apr 2012)

S40 is joke.
People complained 5 years ago that touch was bolted on S60 and didn't like it. S40 is even less and suddenly, it is "enough". Hypocrites.

WP is NOT enough. It can't FULLY replace Symbian yet. No proper multitasking, crippled bluetooth, no call recording, etc...

Also a modern symbian device is NOT laggy at all. Infact remove the bloody 'theme effects' and it flies. I specifically hacked my 701 to remove theme effects (because stupid Nokia decided in their demented wisdom to remove that menu) and that phone's UI is now even faster then my Lumia 800.

Besides the fragility, much too quiet speaker, no notification leds/light, the removal of the sturdy 2mm charging jack (replaced with the super fragile microUSB port, yuk), removal of white battery full led and lots of other annoyances AND the fact that these WP-phones devalue horribly fast, I severely dislike the Lumia offerings.
Got a cyan L800 in februari 2012 has been in repair 3 times (causing a lot of anger between me, nokia care, incompetent repair company and the retailer) and finally got rid of it in august 2012 (far under its 499 euro price that I paid for that POS).

NEVER a Lumia again! AND certainly NEVER a Windows Phone again!

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