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The Burning Platform

0. phoneArena posted on 10 Oct 2012, 08:37

Nokia is a remarkable company. It has walked the long, long road from being a single pulp mill in 1865, to a telecommunications giant in the early 21st century. Named after the small Finnish town of Nokia, the company has gone through a number of tough moments in its history, but it has always found a way to go on and swing its way back to the top...

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posted on 10 Oct 2012, 09:03

10. lallolu (Posts: 560; Member since: 18 Sep 2012)

If Nokia does not want to really go into android, they can just be making one premium (really high-end) android phone/year with all the whistles and give it regular software updates and full support. Then they can focus also on their wp8. I believe this will give Nokia a very high boost in sales and profitability; they will just be like apple making one phone everybody is looking forward to per year.
This will also attract Nokia fans who are lured to the android platform, now they can remain with their 'baby' and enjoy android still.
This is not a joke, I know it will work.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 09:05 1

11. neutralguy (Posts: 1152; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)

good read and I've gotta agree with the part where you mentioned Meego as a platform. It's good. but not that complete yet.

posted on 12 Oct 2012, 17:55

103. epdm2be (Posts: 651; Member since: 20 Apr 2012)

The only thing for example that needed to be writen (or recompiled from Symbian sources) for e.g. the 9

1) is the RDS Radio app.
2) mount the FM transmitter antenna
3) create the FM transmitter app
4) create the voice recorder (which is also missing on the N9) which also records calls

Then it had the same featureset as a Symbian device PLUS a higher resolution screen and the internal hooks/code for more powerfull SoC's.

Delivered on a fair price and ALL diehard symbian users would have switched in a heartbeat. But what did they do:

1) Release an unfinnished device
2) Then shortly after the release completely kill the Meego dev-team
3) Restrict sales to a few countries and/or make the price so high that nobody can afford one.

Again a real smart move. When finally reviews showed some Nokia love and instead of building on that, they abandon everything. The fools.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 09:08 2

14. PhansMuneeb (Posts: 371; Member since: 28 Jan 2012)

I want ANDROID on NOKIA badly...

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 09:16 1

15. ryq24 (Posts: 772; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)

when people think of android, most will think of samsung. i think that's one reason nokia did not go to android. its too crowded anyway. windows is a fresh start and since its still in its early stage, there are few phones that uses windows, the challenge right now it to be the first to come out with wp8 phones before samsung and htc .

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 15:48

65. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)

it's been 7years and it's still a half-baked OS.

posted on 19 Nov 2012, 19:16

140. epdm2be (Posts: 651; Member since: 20 Apr 2012)

"windows is a fresh start and since its still in its early stage,"

That's why Samsung (yeah THAT Samsung), HTC and LG almost year prior to Nokia didn't make a dent with THEIR WP7 devices.

But had major success with Android devices (well Samsung had succes while the other had to pay up on MSFT back then and now at Apple too.)

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 09:17

16. Gcombs (Posts: 133; Member since: 22 Aug 2011)

Nokia should have released their flagship 920 on all major carriers in the U.S and provide a exclusive mid range device to the carriers. I think a Nokia Lumia Nexus Android device would be a game changer also.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 09:20

19. FireDragon (Posts: 117; Member since: 13 Nov 2009)

I haven't read the article but as I read that most-used-pharse I wished for something. I really wish that Nokia would've focus to fix Symbian before all of that happen. They could start iron out Symbian even after that ^mishap^. Make it ready for low-cost handsets instead of pushing out S40. It would be better and stronger opton to go against cheap Androids, for good market competition of course.

And with that they could focus on WindowsPhone too while doing Symbian. But it is all in the wishlist now. While I am Symbian user and Android too, I don't like how Symbian^3 is compare to UIQ, but I don't like Android either. Compare the two and I still like Symbian more for its strong points, Android on other hand only have app and good looks on its hands. Many other things are common in both.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 09:28 1

21. allen83 (Posts: 107; Member since: 01 Mar 2012)

Nice article but for me they should have gone on developing on meego. While symbian is diminishing sales slowly they should introduce meego so that their transition will be slowly but surely. Sure they would lose sales but once nokia get a hold of the new OS and developers flock in then nokia would be fine. Nokia can do it on their own with proper strategy and execution. Meego is a good OS it only needed some support, love and time to flourish.

So for me Jolla use your knowledge what you learned at Nokia and I know Meego will be a success. Mabuhay Jolla!

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 09:36

23. No_Nonsense (unregistered)

And you don't think Nokia supports Jolla? There's more than what meets the naked eye friend.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 09:46

25. allen83 (Posts: 107; Member since: 01 Mar 2012)

I don't know but i wish nokia supports Jolla. Jolla doesn't want to say anything about their partners. But i wish they support jolla so that it will be a big plus for the both of them. And also i don't want to jump into conclusions that nokia is also behind jolla not until they have a press conference that is.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 11:25

36. haseebzahid (Posts: 1853; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)

and u think all those patents and roalties related to megoo was given to jolla for like how .. nokia asked them billions ? no never heared they did. what else can we say nokia did gave them a starting boost

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 12:40

49. No_Nonsense (unregistered)

Nokia and jolla have publicly stated that Nokia hasn't given any IPR related to meego or any other Nokia property to jolla. They have just helped in the funding with the Nokia bridge initiative.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 13:24

57. haseebzahid (Posts: 1853; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)

so how come they using mego as base platform ?

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 22:06

80. allen83 (Posts: 107; Member since: 01 Mar 2012)

they are using Meego as a base platform because they are the ones that work and develop the Meego platform when they are in Nokia. Cause they believe that Meego when given a chance can proved to be successful in the future

posted on 11 Oct 2012, 03:56

86. haseebzahid (Posts: 1853; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)

yes thats the point they developed but they did it in nokia and it is nokia property and it is normal law everywhere employers cant take the company stuff to others unless the company aproves so its nokia giving them what they need patents to approval

posted on 11 Oct 2012, 07:42

93. No_Nonsense (unregistered)

I'll tell you exactly how after I receive Jolla's mail.

posted on 12 Oct 2012, 08:16

99. allen83 (Posts: 107; Member since: 01 Mar 2012)

hasee you see they develop Meego as an open source OS meaning everyone can use it and can develop with it. That is the meaning of open source and in the first place Nokia does not care with Meego anymore they already sent Meego free nust like Symbian

posted on 12 Oct 2012, 18:05

105. epdm2be (Posts: 651; Member since: 20 Apr 2012)

Nokia CAN NOT openly support Jola as per Microsoft agreement! Don't you get it!

posted on 13 Oct 2012, 08:51

108. No_Nonsense (unregistered)

Trust me, after a couple of years, Nokia will make WP phones along with another version of them running MeeGo.

posted on 14 Oct 2012, 06:02

114. epdm2be (Posts: 651; Member since: 20 Apr 2012)

Perhaps. But not before 2014. As that ends the (restrictive) microsoft agreement. Provided that by then Nokia still excists

posted on 19 Nov 2012, 19:26

141. epdm2be (Posts: 651; Member since: 20 Apr 2012)

@ allen83 & FireDragon:

I've posted before the original plan of Nokia.

1) It was to replace Symbian with Meego at high end smartphones
2) Replace S40 with S^3 for the low and mid-end, because featurephones sales where diminishing.

...but then suddenly everybody got obsessed with "apps".
Apps that where needed to make up for the missing capabilities in certain phones.

While Nokia's Symbian devices are swiss army knifes of the telecom with full 2 way call recording, loudspeakers with decent to great audio quality and loud volume, great photographic capabilities, LED-lamps and tons of small innovative features.
Like the integration of the address-book and calender with the navigation software. Or the great multitasking where the USER decides WHEN a program should terminate, or the straightforward way (as USB-stick) to transfer ringtones/music and films onto the device without the need for elaborate 'transfer software' or recoding into esoteric file formats etc....

What we have today are a bunch of so-called smartphones whom are dumber then the stuff we had 5 years ago.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 09:54

27. nanyanu (Posts: 1; Member since: 14 Apr 2010)

This is one of the best article I've seen in recent times. Hats off PA

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 10:01

30. lauha (Posts: 4; Member since: 10 Oct 2012)

Today in Finland one tech-related site (www.taskumuro.com) published an article titled "A story of Meego". It is written in finnish, but some people are translating it at the moment. I'm pretty sure someone will tip PhoneArena and other major tech sites about it. It is very interesting stuff to read.

And if you can read finnish, here's the article:


posted on 10 Oct 2012, 10:45

32. Ragnarockd (Posts: 47; Member since: 27 Aug 2012)

Nokia could possibly think of operating on multiple platform including android if they start reaping the benefits of windows phone. Something similar to what Samsung is doing. Features of Nokia have always been an topnotch and always laid some good memories back when i used Nokia phones.
Pure view and pure-motion with clear black display on an android device would be dream come true for an android fan, i know its a crowded platform but if Nokia can play the cards well then it will back to its lost glory.

posted on 12 Oct 2012, 18:02

104. epdm2be (Posts: 651; Member since: 20 Apr 2012)

"Nokia could possibly think of operating on multiple platform including android if they start reaping the benefits of windows phone"

except they MAY NOT! They made an agreement with Microsoft, a contract. They must honour it as well as Microsoft must. And in that contract is written that Nokia may not develop, sell or utilize other competitive OS's for a defined period (I believe 3 years). Nokia is now the f**kdoll of Microsoft (ATM).

What ever happens in the future when this 'contract' is over.... we'll see then, won't we?

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 10:57

33. nasznjoka (Posts: 413; Member since: 05 Oct 2012)

there's no ugly platform like w8 and by the way this is the anti-microsoft era this is the world of open source how come you emerge from nowhere and try to patent things that were created when you were not in history? android rules cause it all about open source

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 11:38

39. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)

anti microsoft era...................really you that much of a fanboy you think everyone's with you against microsft
the rest of your comment doesn't make much sense, but wp8 isnt ugly so if you dont like it dont comment

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 11:08

34. 7thspaceman (Posts: 1583; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)

I think that Nokia will sell enough of it's new feature phones and Widows smart phones to survive this year and go to the black in 2014. I do not think Mr Elop alone
is what caused Nokia to for now be solely a windows smart phone OEM. they were
getting no where with their Symbian OS and did not Meego was ready yet. They knew Android was ok but they would be a me to Android phone maker with Apple and Microsoft out to sue Android over patent issues. Windows smart phone OS was new and developing. they gave Windows a chance and are the best Windows phone makers. now if they can add an android smartphone to their list 0f products things will get better because they have a new customer base which could bring them ore profit and Windows smart phones will still be made good for them

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