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The Burning Platform

0. phoneArena posted on 10 Oct 2012, 08:37

Nokia is a remarkable company. It has walked the long, long road from being a single pulp mill in 1865, to a telecommunications giant in the early 21st century. Named after the small Finnish town of Nokia, the company has gone through a number of tough moments in its history, but it has always found a way to go on and swing its way back to the top...

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posted on 10 Oct 2012, 20:25

75. jroc74 (Posts: 6019; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)

Exactly. I agree with this 100%.

I can bet if Motorola woulda done WP exclusively....and things didnt take off...they would be doing an Android phone next week.

Thats also one reason Motorola basically told MS to jump off a bridge about WP...their success with Android. Motorola has yet to do a WP.

posted on 14 Oct 2012, 16:55

121. Stoli89 (Posts: 333; Member since: 28 Jun 2010)

Genius, Motorola is owned by Google.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 22:25 1

81. Glim12808 (Posts: 394; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)

The problem for Nokia had they gone Android was not getting the USD 1B annually they got from MS. Why should Google give them that money when it was doing just fine without Nokia and only Samsung and HTC on-board?

Besides, I'm sure Nokia also looked at the Android landscape and saw how Motorola, Sony, LG etc. were loosing money in it.

But I'm also 100% sure of Nokia's back-up plan to switch to Android if Windows Phone 8 does not pick-up sales in 2013. It's there somewhere hidden from MS in the bowels of Nokia in Finland. But I'm sure MS knows this too, that's why there is a plan for the Surface Phone, not so hidden in the bowels of MS in Redmond.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 22:51

84. pikapowerize (banned) (Posts: 1869; Member since: 03 May 2012)

they should do the samsung way... continue the support of symbian! adopt meego... make an android device 3 a year and also adopt WP!

posted on 12 Oct 2012, 02:06

98. weirdfisher (Posts: 51; Member since: 31 Mar 2011)

Nokia should use OiS or Windous Pone or Symbain

posted on 12 Oct 2012, 17:41

101. epdm2be (Posts: 651; Member since: 20 Apr 2012)

1) Why would Nokia use a competive linux based OS when they have (had) their own superior linux based OS?

2) If Nokia was to make Android handsets, what garantee is there that Nokia would be succesfull? Currently only Samsung seems to be succesfull while ALL the others are badly loosing money.

3) What would you do?

A) license Android and being sued to pay Microsoft a fee (like Samsung, LG and HTC do) or
B) just get the Windows Phone OS and be done with it (probably cheaper then the fee you have to pay if you´d have gone Android)?

Android is pitfall. The market is way to splintered with all those different SoC´s, different gpu, it takes ages for Google to optimize code or to cleanup bugs. Then it takes even longer for telco's send the improvements to customers. It's a mess.

I do think that when Nokia went for WP7 then they could have just license Android too and create all OS handsets. Including Meego and Symbian models alongside WP7 and Android devices. HTC does it (with Brew OS) and Samsung (with Bada). So I fail to see why Nokia couldn't. They could have gotten ALL! They're just too narrow-minded.

posted on 13 Oct 2012, 09:41

109. maxican16 (Posts: 364; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about with some of your points.

posted on 19 Nov 2012, 18:52

137. epdm2be (Posts: 651; Member since: 20 Apr 2012)

@ maxican16:

If you are refering to my post. Then I must inform you I know very WELL what I'm talking about. In fact APPLE TOO is now suing Android handset makers! For even MORE money the MSFT does.

There's hardly any profit to be made on a Android handsets. I predict a massive abandoning of Android in the next 2 years. Just wait and see.

posted on 28 Oct 2012, 07:32

133. ikkuh (Posts: 42; Member since: 22 May 2011)

1. because Symbian has too little apps.
2. thats not the question. The question is: would they have a better chance. I think they do.
3. Android is a far better choice because of the half a billion user-base. No question about that. Nokia with Android is a great combination.

Windows 8 has a very long way to go. Nokia is almost dying...microsoft is making his own phone...well...the future of Nokia is clear isnt it?

posted on 19 Nov 2012, 19:05

138. epdm2be (Posts: 651; Member since: 20 Apr 2012)

@ ikkuh:

READ my post.

1) Symbian is NOT a linux based OS. You obviously haven't read my post

2) YES that IS the question! Nokia NEEDS some success (especially after their incompetent CEO burned all their other bridges). And is it is now ONLY Samsung is having succes in the Android market. Nokia comming (too late) to the Android party wouldn't make a difference (especially not with regards to profits when they'd have to cough up to MSFT AND Apple for suspicious licenses)

3) A half-billion userbase of users whom don't spend a dime on those 'precious' apps. Whom expect every device to be rootable and hackable to sideload all the stuff cracked and hacked? Whom expect a Linux based OS to be FREE like Linux itself and thus the games and stuff needs to be free too. Oh puleese!

I don't like Nokia choosing WP either. I think they should have stayed with Meego and Symbian. Stick with the original plan AND STOP BEING SO BLOODY OBSESSED ABOUT APPS! The majority of phone users DON'T buy an app every 10 seconds!
Plus in the case of the iPhone it's LOGICAL that they have so much apps. Because their browser is so limited in what it displays (no flash remmember) that many companies made an App to circumvent that. So it's no surprise to find 'Apps' for newspapers and magazines while on e.g. a Nokia 701 you simply go to the newspaper WEBSITE itself (and thus DON'T need an app!)

BTW. Do you really think that Nokia is the only one in trouble? Look around they are ALL in trouble (except Apple and Samsung). Even MSFT is in trouble (why do they enforce the use of Metro/not-Metro in Windows 8). Why are they being so radical (while in the past they took small advances with every new itteration of their software)? I'll tell you: Because the brown stinky stuff is getting quite deep in Redmond!

posted on 21 Oct 2012, 04:14

129. mew7946510 (Posts: 55; Member since: 10 Nov 2010)

Moving to Android wouldn't be a wise choices since Android is open source and Nokia has no power in controlling it. Since they have no power in controlling it, they'll have to put heavy optimizations and customizations. These customizations will be open sourced to everyone. And because of that there is a VERY RISK OF SAMMY COPYING Nokia again..... Remember that Nokia sometimes make SOME(only SOME) ideas that are considerably innovative.

posted on 28 Oct 2012, 07:35

134. ikkuh (Posts: 42; Member since: 22 May 2011)

uuuhh..? risk? copying? hehehehe....are u for real? :)
Why would going Android make a difference?

posted on 19 Nov 2012, 19:10

139. epdm2be (Posts: 651; Member since: 20 Apr 2012)

@ mew7946510
Are you telling me that Nokia has power in controlling Windows Phone? Come on, wake up!

Soon the only thing their ceo's/shareholders can control is which door or window they choose on their way out.

posted on 30 Oct 2012, 12:35

136. tusshharish (Posts: 342; Member since: 23 Oct 2012)

who says burning we say it is hot...... ... ...

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 08:45 20

3. darkvadervip (Posts: 365; Member since: 08 Dec 2010)

All great companies rise and fall. I still love Nokia and if anybody paid attention Nokia mention this is the first wave of wp8 phones and more is to come with different designs other than the current one base on the n8.

posted on 12 Oct 2012, 17:44

102. epdm2be (Posts: 651; Member since: 20 Apr 2012)

WP is fine for the American market but in Europe we don't want it. Contrary to popular propaganda!

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 08:45 2

4. No_Nonsense (unregistered)

http://interestingthingsworldwide.blogspot.in/2012/06/nokia-and-its-operating-system-dilemma.html , this was posted way before the 920 and 820 were unveiled but I thought it'd be a good share on this topic.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 22:46

83. pikapowerize (banned) (Posts: 1869; Member since: 03 May 2012)

really awesome!! i would prefer meego and symbian!

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 08:51 18

5. Medel (Posts: 84; Member since: 31 May 2011)

Nokia = Legendary

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 10:31 4

31. neutralguy (Posts: 1152; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)


It must be, legend....

wait for it..

dary! legendary! :)))))))))

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 08:52 2

6. Snoobab (Posts: 175; Member since: 07 Dec 2011)

"It has gone from the world's biggest cell phone maker to an underdog"
Exaggeration of the month. Nokia is in #3 position, far from an underdog.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 09:19 2

17. Doakie (Posts: 2227; Member since: 06 May 2009)

With its backward slide into irrelevancy they are definitely the underdog in this race. Even if they have a somewhat large current market share they're hemorrhaging into nothingness.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 12:05 1

44. vivzek (Posts: 38; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)

That is mostly in the american and some more other markets. In many developing nations, Nokia is still the leader.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 08:56 1

8. modyt (Posts: 30; Member since: 23 Aug 2012)

Symbian is a thing of the past. But if Nokia can concentrate on WP, I have a feeling it could win over the market. Personally, I feel WP is the next big thing. The freshness that Microsoft has induced in the mobile scene is gonna be hard to get over. And the platform itself is so polished. Also, having used the Lumia range, I for one know that Nokia has made the already polished platform much better by introducing apps like Nokia Maps, Transport, City Lens, etc. Even the designs and colours are so pleasing to the eye. Nokia had been at the top for a very long time and I am sure they will get close to it in the coming period very soon.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 09:06 6

12. No_Nonsense (unregistered)

Symbian a thing of the past how? The last time I checked, Nokia is still supporting Symbian devices. And the FP2 update was re-seeded today. It'll become a thing of the past in a year or two but today its pretty much alive.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 09:26 7

20. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)

Nokia are one of the best for supporting older phones, even with symbian been classed as dead it still been updated

and belle fp2 is an excellent OS, but too much hate for symbian on most phone sites

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 09:31 1

22. No_Nonsense (unregistered)

A plus one for the last line sir. My 808 will work even if Nokia doesn't support it. WIll update to FP2 a week later.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 09:44 2

24. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)

ive been using fp2 for awhile now, its smooth fast and much more visually appealing with its menu transitions etc

and yeah lets face facts nokia's last longer then any other phone, i bet almost everyone has at least one old nokia lying round there house that still works.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 09:54 1

28. No_Nonsense (unregistered)

I've 3+ a working 808.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 10:00 4

29. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)

the old nokia dinosaurs will out live most of us i bet.

but as most nokia users know with great build quality comes great responsibility.............you drop your nokia you risk damaging the ground

all those cracks in the concrete are from nokia drops

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