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Steve Jobs vowed revenge on Eric Schmidt over Android

0. phoneArena posted on 20 Oct 2011, 21:46

A biography about Steve Jobs, which is scheduled to be released on Monday, apparently tells the story of the falling out between Eric Schmidt and Steve Jobs, and how Jobs vowed revenge...

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posted on 20 Oct 2011, 23:27 5

51. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)

Excuse me, but in a general sense most of us don't "bash" others for having differing opinions. We will argue, but the bashing only comes when something particularly idiotic or inflammatory is said, like "android is an unstable, buggy copycat-FORCE CLOSE! BAHAHAHA!"

posted on 20 Oct 2011, 23:32

53. whatevs (Posts: 18; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)

Are you saying that none of you ever say anything idiotic or inflammatory?? Cmon dude.

posted on 20 Oct 2011, 23:36 2

58. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)

I didn't say all Android guys are in the right, and in some extreme cases I've told the jerks to f**k off. I'm just saying that it's annoying to see someone whining that we have our own strong opinions and will express them on articles about Apple, ESPECIALLY when that whiny comment appears on an article about Android AND Apple.

posted on 20 Oct 2011, 23:46

66. whatevs (Posts: 18; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)

You think I'm whining? All y'all do is whine about apple all day!! Apple is a superior hardware and software company. Not just to android, but most others too. You can have your opinions, but once again don't cry when someone has opposite.

posted on 20 Oct 2011, 23:59 3

72. L3610n (Posts: 47; Member since: 01 Jul 2011)

Says who? Superior hardware?? False. Software? Maybe. Superior to most others...??? SUPER DUPER F'n FALSE.

That statement pretty much says Apple is greater than Microsoft.. False.

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 00:09 2

80. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)

I don't cry. I just tell you why you're wrong. :) iOS is superior in smoothness-to an extent. The difference between the two became negligible with Gingerbread. It is not superior in app availability by any means that makes a difference to the end user. The amount of iOS exclusive apps dwindles by the day. The iPhone has superior hardware over the lower end Android phones, but higher end Android phones are just about as polished. The camera on the iPhone 4S apparently blows everything out of the water, but for someone like me, camera quality isn't a dealmaker anyway.

So where is this supposed awe inspiring superiority that you're telling me about? I don't see it. Is it superior because Siri can bypass security you have on your phone? Is it superior because Siri chews through your data? Is it superior because Apple didn't thoroughly test power management on the small battery in the iPhone compared to the greater power consumption on iOS 5?

posted on 20 Oct 2011, 23:09 4

43. NVPMOTHAF (Posts: 78; Member since: 28 Sep 2011)

It's funny to hear people say that IOS stole from Android when if it wasn't for the first Iphone, the Android ecosystem would not exist. So thank Steve Jobs for Android. No phone will ever compare to the innovation and perfection of the IOS, no matter how hard Google tries.

posted on 20 Oct 2011, 23:34 3

55. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)

The "innovation" of iOS was taking the app list and settings menu from other established OSes at the time, slapping it on a touchscreen, and saying "There, done. That's our f**king operating system." Then they gradually added features other OSes already had and improved the hardware incrementally each year. Today's iOS is admittedly pretty robust, but it wasn't like that overnight. And it's still not perfect.

Android, however, was like saying "okay, Blackberry and Windows Mobile offer plenty of options, but we want to make an OS that's cleaner, easier, AND includes the services we've already built. We also want anyone to be able to make a phone with this OS on it. It'll be the ultimate work in progress; we'll add lots of features and refine the OS as we get feedback from customers and figure out what they want to see. Our manufacturers will be free to do the same. And that'll be our OS, the ultimate exercise in personal expression!

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 19:42

236. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)

apparently to the clueless fans the iphone was the 1st smartphone with a touch screen...to some there was no such thing as smartphones before iphone...lol what they dont get is that the 1st iphone was a anything but smart it was just a expensive feature phone,that is why i waited until the 4 came out which was the 1st real smartphone from apple

posted on 20 Oct 2011, 23:35 1

57. bossmt_2 (Posts: 457; Member since: 13 Oct 2009)

iPhone was largely a knockoff of the LG Prada, but with a true smartphone web browser. Everyone takes ideas from others.

posted on 20 Oct 2011, 23:09 1

44. vijaysivakula (Posts: 224; Member since: 17 Aug 2011)

This guy lived in a distorted reality. Wonder when he was knocked on the head hard enough to make him live in his own illusions. Regrettably he died without reaching the conclusion in his stupid war.

posted on 20 Oct 2011, 23:13

47. whatevs (Posts: 18; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)

Did you know him?? How do you know that he lived in a distorted reality? Ha! And what have you done?? Ha!!

posted on 20 Oct 2011, 23:57 2

71. jacko (unregistered)

what as steve done for u

other then take ur money HA!!!

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 00:10

81. whatevs (Posts: 18; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)

Uh, his products have made me money dude. For quite a while. Alright, goodnight. This is boring now.

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 09:14

195. jacko (unregistered)

how he made u money that any other phone couldn't

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 18:17

233. NVPMOTHAF (Posts: 78; Member since: 28 Sep 2011)

Look at how much money the app store made people thanks to steve jobs. Look at Itunes and all you can do with it. Sure, google you can sync contacts, calendars, books, and gmail, but Itunes will back all of your stuff up much like BBDM and now it's all OTA. Itunes made artists a bunch of money itself. Steve Jobs and Apple may take your money at first, but you only have to pay one time and are guaranteed a working device for however long you decide to keep it.

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 19:44

237. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)

made you money so what the hell are you doing commenting on PA...you should have much better things to do than defend apple

posted on 20 Oct 2011, 23:09 3

45. NVPMOTHAF (Posts: 78; Member since: 28 Sep 2011)


posted on 20 Oct 2011, 23:38

61. whatevs (Posts: 18; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)

Think what you want about Steve Job - he was an innovator. Like John Coltrane. Like Duke Ellington,,,, don't hate.

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 00:07

78. itzmando (Posts: 115; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)

Why must you instigate an argument, everyone is entitled to an opinion, but you have been on most articles stating blatant comments that have nothing to do with the article. Steve Jobs was a wonderful creator and was horribly struck with this pancreatic cancer at young age.

Please try not to push your opinion on others, its getting quite annoying viewing the "iphone rules" comments. Your being a hypocrite yourself by stating you see android owners bash apple when, your doing the same by placing Apple to being the best brand out there, and no other manufacturer can be as successful is just stirring up trouble.

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 09:15

196. jacko (unregistered)

innovator of copying

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 00:04 5

76. dbparipsa (Posts: 20; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)

This is utter non-sense. This is all propaganda by Apple, nothing more. Now that Mr Jobs is dead, Apple does not have any creative and innovative genius. So, they cannot compete in the market with some innovative like Jobs did. So, they are pulling off such bulls**t propaganda against Android. With the launch of Android ICS, Apple is really worried or scared of Android's invincible route forward. So, they are using such unethical and immoral propaganda. Steve Job's death is fresh and people really looked up to him. So, Apple is now playing with people's emotional asset to Jobs and trying to generate hatred against Android in people's hearts.

But, my suggestion to all not-steve-jobs Apple brains - you better try to follow the legacy of Jobs by trying to make your products better than others'. So, try to win the smartphone race by improving your products rather than trying to play dirty politics against competing products. That way you can give tribute to Job's legacy!

I, for one, won't go by your non-sense Propaganda. I will decide which device I choose by looking their features and innovations rather than going after the emotional propaganda by Apple's idiots.

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 00:33 3

84. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)

And of course, android fanboys think that they know more and better than Steve himself. I've been saying this over and over again. Android is an iOS rip-off. Google stole Apple's ideas. Eric served as Google's spy in Apple's board. Sorry android fanboys, but that's the evil truth behind android. It is stolen from Apple.

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 00:48 10

90. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2720; Member since: 26 May 2011)

You realize of course that Android was created outside of Google by Andy Rubin and his team between 2003-2006? Google then bought Android in 2006, before the iPhone existed (it hit the market in 2007).

Even if Android eventually used some ideas from iOS (as Apple has also done with Android), it's just a matter of quality becoming ubiquitous. A good idea is a good idea and everyone should benefit from it, regardless of who markets it first. There's no real way to prove who thought of the idea first, because it could have been inspired by many other things that came before it, and therefore no reasonable way to grant anyone ownership over said idea.

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 01:01 3

96. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)

Google actually bought Android in 2005, Michael, which actually strengthens your argument. :)

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 01:03

97. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)

@michael. But who knows for sure what Andy's team was creating for android. Yes, the iphone was released in 2007, a year after Google purchased android. Does that mean that Apple worked on the iphone OS just a few days before it was released? Of course not. Steve had this touchscreen vision many years back. Maybe not for a phone, but he definitely envisioned it way before 2006.

Patents exist to PROTECT someone's business, and rightfully so. It would be unfair for someone to just reap the fruits of someone else's ideas don't you think? As far as our legal system is concerned, If you patent an idea, you own it. Regardless, whether you came up with the idea yourself or bought it from someone.

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 01:24 4

108. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2720; Member since: 26 May 2011)

Sorry, I have absolutely no faith that the patent system works, especially with technology. There are tons of patents that duplicate other patents, or patent ideas/processes rather than actual products.

I think it's far more unfair to think that ideas are proprietary. Throughout history there have been continual examples of technologies being created by multiple sources at the same time, but completely independent from each other. Edison didn't invent the lightbulb, he just got the first patent in America. Bell didn't invent the telephone either, there were plenty of others developing the same thing.

I support innovation and technological evolution, which is spurred by the free sharing of ideas and being free to build upon others' works. The iPhone didn't invent anything, it put together a bunch of existing technologies, and turned them into the first hugely successful touchscreen smartphone. Since then, Android has been made better by borrowing from iOS and WP7, and iOS has benefitted from borrowing from Android and WP7. In the process, everyone gets better.

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 01:36

117. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)

@michael. I don't think that innovation and invention are synonymous. Apple, just like the others, did not really make anything from scratch. But you said it yourself. Apple was able to successfully integrate features and technology into their iphone that sets it apart from the rest. The iphone felt DIFFERENT. And that is all because of Apple's innovations and ideas, thinking outside the box, on how they could be different from the others. Hence, the slogan "think different" came about. It is not fair for anyone to just use their ideas that made them identifiably unique. If there's anything that Apple does not want their products to be, it's to be generic. And they will do whatever they can to protect their image of being different. And how can they do that if they would just let anyone copy their ideas?

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 01:51 2

125. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2720; Member since: 26 May 2011)

How could they do what they did in the first place without copying various ideas and integrating it into something new?

All technology is built upon that which came before it, even the iPhone. It felt different and was successful because of that. But, to think that they should be allowed to make one great product and then ride that out without having to evolve is absurd. There are limited ways to make certain technologies, so there will be overlap until things evolve.

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 01:47

123. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

Why did android have a blackberry form factor before the iPhone release?

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