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Sprint, LightSquared and Clearwire - when will an LTE network happen

0. phoneArena posted on 09 Sep 2011, 01:33

Over the past year or so, there have been plenty of rumors suggesting that Sprint would eventually drop WiMAX as its 4G wireless broadband technology of choice in favor of the LTE standard, yet the possibility of these speculations materializing has never been as high as it is today...

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posted on 09 Sep 2011, 09:00 1

1. The_Miz (Posts: 1496; Member since: 06 Apr 2011)

First comment. 4G sucks anyway.

posted on 09 Sep 2011, 09:35 17

10. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)

Is that because your dear iphone 5 wont have 4G ?

posted on 09 Sep 2011, 10:51 1

12. jbash (Posts: 345; Member since: 07 Feb 2011)


posted on 09 Sep 2011, 18:15 4

16. cj (unregistered)

good one iphone is overrated

posted on 09 Sep 2011, 17:25 5

15. downphoenix (Posts: 3165; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)

ifans think it will be 5G

posted on 11 Sep 2011, 00:34

20. CRICKETownz (Posts: 980; Member since: 24 Oct 2009)

the population of ppl who have no idea what 3G/4G/LTE is is much more massive than the population of us techie's who are up on the latest technology. So...iPhone is not missing anything in this stage of the game if they bypass 4G. Esp. with the price tags on 4G devices being significantly higher than 3G devices & the limited 4G coverage on all carriers (except for T-Mobile which boasts the biggest 4G network but their coverage seems to be about the size of a janitor's closet).

side note - HSPA+ seems to dwell in the same fictional land as unicorns & fairies b/c according the those former T-Mobile customers that fatten my commission checks 21mbps hasn't been even close to what they have experienced. haven't met one satisfied customer of theirs.

posted on 10 Sep 2011, 02:08 1

19. GeekMovement (unregistered)

Just wait 'til apple decides to copy & put the 4G option in their phones... I guess there will be something in the iphone that YOU think sucks after all...

posted on 09 Sep 2011, 09:01

2. Mr.Mr.Upgrade (Posts: 474; Member since: 30 Aug 2011)

So sprint picked the wrong 4g wimax the first time, and now correcting it by choosing another one, wow you people who own sprint like to have a company with no sense of planning a business, sprint do us a favor get a gps,flashlight,and a map and find a better business, when u people going to learn cheap is not always better, Nike Jordans are better then converse, a bmw is better then a Toyota,and Verizon is better then any phone company u put it against, let's be real, most people can't afford something that's why they complain,

posted on 09 Sep 2011, 09:12 6

5. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

They didnt pick the "wrong 4g", they picked the technology that was available right then and there. Their goal was to get a jump on the competition by being the first to "4g" and hopefully increase sales. Back then sprint was bleeding like a patient from "Friday the 13th", and it needed a gimmick to stop that. For the most part it worked. Had clearwire not oversold and under developed its network they wouldnt be in such a hurry to hit LTE.

posted on 09 Sep 2011, 09:30 2

7. simplyj (Posts: 406; Member since: 23 Dec 2009)

A BMW is better than Toyota? Snicker Snicker

posted on 10 Sep 2011, 01:18 2

18. IHatePhones (Posts: 99; Member since: 12 Aug 2009)

Nah not quite, had WiMax gotten to revision 2, it would have been very very fast. LTE just came on too strong and lured the WiMax investors away.

posted on 09 Sep 2011, 11:58 2

14. ECPirate37 (Posts: 220; Member since: 14 Jul 2011)

Nike owns Converse, so you are comparing the company to itself (and saying "better than" is better than saying "better then").

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 23:46

22. WKlingbeil (Posts: 215; Member since: 26 Dec 2008)

Sprint didn't pick the wrong 4G and they didn't settle with the one available right then and there to stop losing customers. They were faced with a decision: use your spectrum, or lose it. Naturally, they chose to use it, and that's why they chose WiMax, because LTE was not available in 2005. Apparently, according to your logic, they should have let the government auction their spectrum off, because they wouldn't want the "wrong 4g," right? So Mr.Mr.Upgrade, perhaps it's time to upgrade your news source before you post a comment that has no informative backing to it.

posted on 09 Sep 2011, 09:02 3

3. Mr.Mr.Upgrade (Posts: 474; Member since: 30 Aug 2011)

Apple sucks

posted on 09 Sep 2011, 09:06 1

4. Mr.Mr.Upgrade (Posts: 474; Member since: 30 Aug 2011)

apple better have 4g something are they going to be 4got about

posted on 09 Sep 2011, 09:31

8. simplyj (Posts: 406; Member since: 23 Dec 2009)

I think Apple realizes that the potential of 4G isn't there yet, so they're not going to waste their time trying to put it in their phones.

posted on 09 Sep 2011, 09:41 2

11. dashak (unregistered)

The "potential" is definitely there already...dunno what would make anyone think it isn't.
Verizon's 4G coverage is massive and with minimum download speeds of 5 - 7 mbps it's definitely a huge improvement over 3G.

Also that's a MINIMUM of 5-7, speeds of 12-16 mbps aren't unheard of. Whatsmore, as Android updates my bet is those speeds improve and the "minimum" on those D/L speeds will rise quickly.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 23:49

23. WKlingbeil (Posts: 215; Member since: 26 Dec 2008)

Actually, as more and more 4G users come onboard, VZW is going to struggle with bandwidth because there is an extremely small percentage of their users currently on 4G. Sprint's WiMax was pulling 12-15 Mbps right before the first 4G phone came out (the Evo demo units), but once it launched, speeds dropped dramatically. The same will happen to VZW's LTE, possibly more so because they have like 1/4 the bandwidth Sprint has. Also, their 4G coverage is no larger than anyone else's, so it's definitely not "massive."

posted on 09 Sep 2011, 09:13 1

6. dashak (unregistered)

Lightsquared was having issues with their frequencies interfering with those in use by GPS...as far as I am aware there was never really any resolution, with Lightsquared [continually] pointing the finger at the GPS manufacturers and the GPS manufacturers just kind of brushing it off.

I'd like to see Sprint 4G in the 1.5 banding, though even with the 2.5 banding the issue is coverage radius...as Sprint WiMax 4G phones receive Android 2.3.x they also see major improvements to data networking speeds (3G and 4G) through the upgraded OS alone, as well as increased 4G signal reception...and that makes it seem that, in my opinion, there is still room to work with WiMax and improve upon it.

Sprint will most likely switch to LTE a little down the line, which makes me somewhat worried about the fate of WiMax. I'm not the biggest fan of it but if more towers were thrown up to expand coverage (main issue), WiMax would be nothing to scoff at...just don't see that happening, at least no new big markets/expansions.

I'm thinking it'll be a while before Sprint even has an LTE game plan figured out, with even more time between that and the actual beginning of the rollout. Guess we'll find out in October.

posted on 09 Sep 2011, 09:33 2

9. simplyj (Posts: 406; Member since: 23 Dec 2009)

I would be crazy awesome if Sprint surprised everyone and launched LTE Advanced, true 4G.

posted on 09 Sep 2011, 11:02 1

13. Forced (unregistered)

It appeared that Sprint was looking to dump Clearwire when they seemed to "jump ship" to LightSquared and their 15 year ga-zillion dollar deal.

With LightSquared getting resistance from what appears at every angle, Sprint almost has no choice now and to a degree is being forced to go back to Clearwire. Clearwire has the towers and infrastructure now which could be upgraded to LTE a lot sooner than/when/if LightSquared can get their act together.

I am a Clear home internet user ... I love it. It works for me. Better than what DSL could give me. It serves me just great.

The download rates my wife gets though on her Verizon LTE Thunderbolt though ... drool drool drool.

Can't wait till Clear bumps up to LTE ;)

Sprint has no choice at this point at least to continue and grow their relationship with Clearwire.

posted on 10 Sep 2011, 01:14

17. IHatePhones (Posts: 99; Member since: 12 Aug 2009)

Just so you know, Sprint owns more than half of Clear. So there is no "Go back to Clearwire", end result Clear benefits from this deal as much if not more so than Sprint does. Besides, they've been toying around with LTE for a bit themselves as well, this just speeds up their timetable.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 11:36

21. pplmisinformed (Posts: 1; Member since: 13 Sep 2011)

simple and Clear. Clearwire built the core network that 50% owner and the board approved as a Phase I build to get Wimax out there and get customers up and going and revenues flowing. Sprint's inability to get any deal done and tendency to over negotiate everything (T-mo anyone?) lead to board room problems last year and a breach of funding to do the next two phase of the build (in building and additional tower density etc.). Moving to LTE has always been a plan B since day one and became plan A after extensive testing showed speeds that VZ will never, ever be able to get on their 700 mhz network with the limited spectrum that they have. The rest of world is standardizing on TDD-LTE at 2.5 ghz b/c the data throughput is so much higher at 2.5 ghz. Using wide-band builds at 2.5 ghz will allow for speeds up to 150 mbps down and by using TDD technology you don't have to have symetrical spectrum alllowing for a wider downlink than uplink. Lightsquared by the way? a complete joke of an unethical company with little spectrum, a business plan that can't be profitable and an actual inability to fund themselves. Its all there to understand if one does the research.

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