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Sony Xperia S or Samsung Galaxy S II - that is the question!

0. phoneArena posted on 20 Apr 2012, 08:57

It's once again PhoneArena Knows Best time, and the question that we're dealing with this time comes from our reader Dejan Gogic, who is in a desperate need of a new smartphone...

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posted on 20 Apr 2012, 15:23

49. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

that is as untrue as it gets. Samsung is one of the world's largest chip makers. It may not be the biggest, but they are far from tiny. They were also one of the few that can keep up with Apple's orders. You dont think that they would have renewed their contract with Samsung if they could have found a viable alternative, do you? If they were so tiny, then there would be dozens just waiting to take Apple's order.. which wasnt the case. Their new supplier is having trouble already just preproducing chips for the i5... much less keeping up with demand. Where do you think they will turn if they can? To samsung.

posted on 20 Apr 2012, 15:47

56. dmn666 (Posts: 244; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)

Actually your information is untrue. Samsung is a 3rd tier lab. Intel's process is a generation/node ahead of anything else. But it's very expensive - so nobody cares to use it -lol. Then comes TSMC,GF,and UMC. After that you get Samsung. Pretty much every big chip makers use more than one fab. Samsung sits at the 3rd/4th spot of their lists. Do some research. You are a samsung fanboy - no biggie. But that doesn't make it a great fab. And Apple loves to have some control over its suppliers. That's why they pick the small guys. Result is very obvious - very fat profit margin. By the way, a free tip for samsung fanboys - next time you call samsung the greatest chip maker ever, you should know that it's the pathetic memory chip they make most. All leading players quit that business long time back.

posted on 20 Apr 2012, 16:59 2

64. jackhammeR (Posts: 1548; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)

said a guy who mostly owned se and apple products. You sir has no clear point of view and that is obvious.

posted on 20 Apr 2012, 14:58

40. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

samsung and apple both got their original designs from intrinsic. anyone that works in the industry would know that. Apple bought intrinsic just so they could keep the superior design to themselves.. but Samsung and Apple both had rights to the A5/Exynos through prior contracts and will start to show a chip divide in the coming A15 generation. I'm assuming that since Apple kept PowerVR and Samsung moved to the lesser Mali GPU, that Apple had some sort of claim to that exact chip/gpu configuration. But that is nothing more than a hunch.

The A4 was wafer to wafer a Hummingbird with a slightly older PowerVR GPU. The ONLY real difference between the Exynos and the A5 is the GPU The chip itself is identical to Exynos. And its made by samsung. It is nothing more than a rebrand with a different GPU.

If you want to continue this "who is the bigger insider" pissing contest, you can continue it alone. I have no interest in it. My credentials have been proven time and time again, who are you exactly? If you want to have an actual civil discussion, then lets continue.

posted on 20 Apr 2012, 15:26 1

51. dmn666 (Posts: 244; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)

Dude, for no reason you mentioned at the beginning that you work in the industry. Now you are calling it a pissing contest! Anyways, Didn't I say that Ax was designed by intrinsity? Sure they have contracts - does that make Ax a re-branded Exynos? Or does that make both of 'em re-branded 'initrinsity'?

posted on 20 Apr 2012, 15:45

55. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

i only brought it up to invalidate the claim that i only know what my samsung is like and dont know anything else. Never did i go "here is my credentials, now show me yours and lets have a cat fight about it". I dont even own and SGS2. Sad.. I know. But I refuse to buy an american S3 version and the euro version is so hard to come by (and expensive considering I'd have to give up 3g/4g to do so... boo). I figured it would be better to just wait for the SGS3. Which I have been for a while. .

It is a rebranded exynos because it rolls off in exynos home turf, aka a samsung factory. It is the exact same chip minus the GPU. And your original argument was that they were infact, not the same chip at all.. which now obviously you are obviously no longer disputing. Must have googled it, eh? :)

posted on 20 Apr 2012, 16:02 1

57. dmn666 (Posts: 244; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)

My original post said it was made by 'Intrinsity (now Apple) . You're so full of sh*t. Actually I just figured that you don't know the difference between the words 'make' and 'manufacture' in the context of chip design. You just don't have the background to comprehend it. Ignorance is dark ,eh? So I'm just done with this conversation. Playing with phones, odin, XDA will take you to a level - it actually takes way more than that to get to the real story. I hope you'll get there one day.

posted on 20 Apr 2012, 16:15

59. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

said the mysterious new screen handle that no one knows anything about. Im surprised you didnt try to claim to be the winner of the mega millions lotto while your at it.
You have no argument, so you went back to pure insults on both of your last 2 posts. Very unfortunate.
Also sad that I am no more a Samsung fanboy than I am an Apple fanboy. I am a fan of tech. I owe no allegance to any company. I give every product a fair shake. The second Samsung quits making the best stuff I move on to something else. I've only actually bought 1 samsung phone in my life. I've bought quite a few HTC,RIM, Moto and LG phones, a sony, and a dozen others, but only 1 samsung which is my SGS1... yet somehow I am a samsung fanboy. lol. BTW, in the mobile space, until Intel proves themselves with the new designs, they are NO-Tier... not first tier.

posted on 20 Apr 2012, 17:38

65. ngo2dd (Posts: 896; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)

What remixfa say he work for the industry, he mean he work for t-mobile as a sale rep. He always feel like he is the know it all on chips, but we all know the truth.

posted on 20 Apr 2012, 19:46

70. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

if that was my only experience, then you would be correct. :)

im generally pretty well researched in the battles I pick. That is the difference between arguing like a fanboy and actually having a clue. I true to have a clue as much as possible. Know the truth? that my accuracy is in the 90% range somewhere? :) good truth to know.

Im aware of the fab. I'm speaking strictly in the context of mobile phones and tablets, which is a near monopoly for ARM. This is a mobile site after all. :)
Intel, no matter how advanced their PC tech has been, has always fallen short in the mobile sector because they keep trying to jam their "PC" key into the "mobile" keyhole, and it doesnt work that way. As far as that goes, I dont have a whole lot of hope for the first gen chips intel is about to bring. So far they have been completely unrealistic in their power management. In order to do that last bench that showed big numbers they were running near triple voltage to a comparable ARM core. Thats not going to fly with the small smartphone batteries we see today. If they get it right on the first try, I will honestly be surprised. My personal opinion is that the first mobile chip is going to be a mess and they will pick it up and run with the second generation.

posted on 20 Apr 2012, 19:21

67. schecter7 (Posts: 99; Member since: 20 Apr 2012)

looks like you keep mixing up design and fab (also called foundry). They are actually totally different business. Some companies have both just like Intel. It's true that intel's chips for smartphones are yet to be tested. That applies to their design. But the superiority of their fab/process is widely known. Actually Intel's process (used by their 'fab') is the de facto industry standard. It's pretty much 3/4 years (or you can say one 'node') ahead of its competitors. As I said it's nothing to do with their design. Intel's process can be used to manufacture 'ARM' chipsets beside x86 based chipsets. Intel and Apple actually explored the possibility. But I'm pretty sure Apple will stick with its current foundries as they don't want that advanced process for their chipsets. And of course, they are gonna have to pay more to use the latest process - which they totally hate - lol :). But yes - intel's fab is THE first-tier fab.

posted on 20 Apr 2012, 19:25 1

68. schecter7 (Posts: 99; Member since: 20 Apr 2012)

Oh before I get dragged into any kind of fanboy wars I just wanted to say I hate intel. Monopoly is bad for any kind of business. Actually I love AMD processors :P

posted on 20 Apr 2012, 19:41

69. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

I generally go AMD myself, even though for my last computer (now outdated) I went intel because the core2duo was way ahead of AMD at the time. Next year will be new monster computer time. Wonder how crazy fast things will be then. :)

posted on 22 Apr 2012, 12:00

106. TMach (Posts: 466; Member since: 29 Dec 2011)

I will second that! I don't know much about benchmarks or chips but I do know how to use a phone and trying to compare these two phones is plainly stupid. I have used both and the Xperia S wins my vote all day long!

posted on 20 Apr 2012, 13:20 3

31. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)

Well working in the industry doesn't make you immune to childish BS thinking obviously.

And i meant the Xperia S, not the HTC One X.
Learn to read.
And i BET you haven't touched that phone.

posted on 20 Apr 2012, 14:23

34. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

pot, meet kettle.

BTW I didnt mention the X-S or the OneX. I said OneS which is S4 equipped and pretty nice other than that aggravating button configuration.. again.. pot, meet kettle.

Which phone? The XS, OX, OS?

posted on 21 Apr 2012, 03:17

86. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)

I misspelled it in a rush, wanted to say One S, of course.

And you're still so full of it.
You basically claim EVERY S3 phone lags, yet you never even touched the xperia s.
Way to make an argument, lol.
It would be a waste of time to point out again all the places where you are making blatant mistakes, missinterpreting things, or not getting what i'm saying.

As for your samsung galaxy s having a better GPU than adreno 220:
Galaxy nexus - 24 fps
Xperia S - 37.5 fps
(Nena Mark 2)

posted on 21 Apr 2012, 04:08

88. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

you do realize the galaxy S is not the galaxy nexus, right? thats 2x in a row you misquoted. me thinks its not an accident.

" It is built around a PowerVR SGX 540 core, and Samsung claims a theoretical processing of up to 90mln triangles per second. The 2D performance of the Hummingbird is better with an even larger margin – a billion pixels per second versus half a billion for the dual-core Snapdragon. "

"Adreno 220 GPU also claims that it has a processing speed up to 88 MTPS (million triangles/second), and this is equal to twice the amount of its predecessor’s (Adreno 205) processing power."

now, i just want to do basic math.. 90 million is bigger than 88 million. 1 billion is bigger than 500million. Right?
If thats true, then the GPU on the single core Hummingbird is more powerful than the dual core snapdragon's Adreno 220 GPU and its almost a full year older.

I dont know why you keep fighting me on everything. You keep backpedaling and I keep on being right.

Read more:http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-powervr-sgx543mp2-and-vs-adreno-220/#ixzz1sfEbFfpH

posted on 21 Apr 2012, 05:40

92. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)

What the..
No matter how you try to mask it, the obvious truth is are a blatant samsung fanboy..the GPU on Galaxy nexus is an slightly overclocked SGX540 from the first gen Galaxy S.
Other differences?
Nexus runs ICS and has a HD screen.
As such, it falls well short behind the Adreno 220 on a HD screen, running GB.

As for the "resolution doesn't matter", lol..devices with 480x360 and adreno 205 score twice better than my Arc with adreno 205 on NenaMark 2:


posted on 21 Apr 2012, 15:24

94. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

you know, the only people that constantly call me a fanboy of ANYTHING, are always the biggest and most blind fanboys on the site. Everyone else seems to think im decently even handed. Go figure, right? Hmm..

Lets not count the fact that some devices have more memory than others, cpu's and GPUs are clocked higher in the higher resolution phones most of the time, and all sorts of stuff.. lets just call it the resolution thats making the difference.

And for your watching pleasure:
Do me a favor. Flip it to smartbench 2012:Games and look over that list. The top is populated with Mali and Power VR, and also Adreno 220. Now look to the right and see what clock frequencies they are running to be at the top of the list. The SGS2 is barely over clocked if any, neither is the SGS1. However anything running an Adreno 220 is massively overclocked.

Sensation Antutu

Amaze Antutu

you know the difference between the amaze and the sensation? 250 mb of memory and an ever so slight raise in clock speed. Yet the amaze runs 1k higher on antutu. Its not the clock speed thats as much of a kicker as the RAM is. 0.3ghz is not going to raise your score 30%+.

The configuration of the phone makes a much higher impact on these chips than resolution does. Its like looking at a quad core PC with a Geforce 580 and saying 800x600 is going to be a huge performance increase over 1024x768. These chips are way too powerful to be bothered by such low resolutions. Common sense, they have the power to process 1080p video on the fly. Do you really think that little bump in screen resolution is a big deal?

Keep calling me a fanboy all you want. One day you will realize your screaming at a mirror, not me. I deal with hard facts.

posted on 22 Apr 2012, 05:04 1

95. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)

Man, the thing is that most of people don't see through your bias, and how you constantly ignore points, and how you are constantly picking ones that suit you instead.
Or you're just dumb.
It's really just too tiring repeatin my self, i don't have the time to waste.

Youre calling adreno 220 crap, yet even mali 400 is behind SGX540 in those tests you brought out.
And tell me something - why aren't the hummingbird phones overclocked there?
And oh yes, resolution does matter - are you comparing 3D rendering on different resolutions with a 2D video reproduction?

Now, my point against you from the start, was that you are simply all but objective.

You can't bash S3 Soc like annoying childish a**ole just because of how HTC implemented it.
And you're always ignoring when i bring out the objective reference - another device running the same chip.

HTC Amaze?
Now let's compare that one with Sony's S3 running device..
You have the SAME amount of RAM, and EXACTLY THE SAME SoC.
The difference is, again, that Sony has a HD screen.

AnTuTu scores for Amaze - 4200-4800pts.
AnTuTu scores for Xperia s - 6000-7000pts

And i said i'm a fanboy(Sony).
But i'm far from being a blind, hypocrisy one like you are.
You whine around about crapdragon, just because it IS a bit slower chip than Exynos.
That's an objective truth about you.

posted on 22 Apr 2012, 05:11

96. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

lol. darac, your silly

you just went off on multiple posts trying to tell me how HD scores negatively affect benchmarks, then you pull up the amaze vs xperia which is "You have the SAME amount of RAM, and EXACTLY THE SAME SoC.
The difference is, again, that Sony has a HD screen." Then you show me how the xperia won.

you just contradicted yourself.

Yea, you are blind. So, your theory is everyone on the boards except for you and Taco and a few random peeps is an idiot for thinking that im mostly impartial.. oooor.... its in your head.

let me think on that one. maybe you should too.

And no, I compare chips. for all 2011 chips, the crapdragon S3 was the weakest. for all 2012 chips, the crapdragon S4 will be the weakest. Ask the other chip geeks on the site. See if they disagree. Again, its either in all of our heads.. or just yours. Its funny that you get so butthurt. Are you paid by qualcomm in some manner? Own stocks? Then why get your panties in a bunch because someone doesnt share your fanboyism?

posted on 22 Apr 2012, 05:50

98. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)

I'm silly?
I'm objective, and you, spoiled geeky troll, are constantly ignoring whatever i present you.
You could see what i'm implying to,(with the fact that Sony Snapdragon is so vastly superior to HTC's) had you gave any more thought to it.
And its that HTC's S3 implementation is just unbelievably BAD.
And you just can't see beyond that.
The point about resolution remains!
Within the brand, there's a clear pattern where lower res beats a higher res on the same SoC.

You geeks can crapdragon as much as you want - you will only reveal you're geeks without a clue about mobile microprocessing..

Find me a TRUE expert on chips, saying such BS about the industry dominating chip being crap.
You're a joke.

Dare to say what's crappy about the S4 PRO?
What's the best dual core chip right now?

posted on 22 Apr 2012, 06:03

99. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

wow, im a spoiled geeky troll. How did you ever come to such conclusions? haha.

no darac, quite the opposite, i am looking OBJECTIVELY at whatever you present me and trying to show you the flaw in it. You just dont like the fact that I continually find major holes in your thought processes. Thats the difference between a fanboy and a non biased person. If you showed me a real hole in my thought process with evidence, I would change my process to include the new info. You on the other hand, just like all fanboys, cant see past your limited opinion and just keep crying about how im "ignoring your evidence" when I am obviously not. I just dont agree with you. And unlike you, I back mine up with solid evidence.

The point about the resolution DOES NOT remain. But hey, if you want to hold on to that as justification, then you go right ahead. It does not make you right, though. It just shows a lack of understanding about just how powerful these chips are.

So... you keep telling me how low res beats high res on tests.. then you show me evidence OF THE OPPOSITE, and yet you still think that its correct?

"Industry dominating" and "best in class" are not the same thing. Yea, snapdragon is the best selling chip out there ,but its not because its the best. Its because its cheaply produced and has near universal radio compatibility. Thats the same arguement the iphone fanboys use "it sells the most so it must be the best!" . Which is completely untrue. Sales does not equal quality.

Again darac, to keep things OBJECTIVE I compare all 2011 chips against each other, and all 2012 chips against each other. I did the same in 2010 and I'll do it again in 2013. You want to compare a 2012 chip against a 2011 chip. Yes, the S4 is TEMPORARILY the best chip out there, but just a small small margin. It is just a thread above the T3 and exynos 4210.... both of which are 2011 chips. And yes, I'd still take the proven performance, battery sipping, and very hacker friendly Exynos chip over a crapdragon any day.
And to say that its only barely the best after it got die shrank to 28nm is kind of embarrasing if you want to know the truth. It barely hedges out A9 chips on 40nm die. And that die shrink brings it IN LINE with exynos's power savings. Almost all of the crapdragon's performance improvements came from a die shrink, not from the new designs. Yes, they helped.. but not enough to keep the chip viable in the "who's the best" competition. All samsung and the rest have to do is die shrink as well, which they are doing, to end up 20-40% better than the S4. And they are only die shrinking to 32nm, not 28nm.

You are just so silly.

posted on 22 Apr 2012, 06:37

100. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)

Gosh, you can write a novel if you want, but you STILL haven't adressed ANY of my points.

Simply, please answer or shut up - what's crappy about 6000+ scores on Antutu for a HD phone right now?
Or 37+fps on Nena Mark 2?

Resolution DOES matter.
AnTuTu is not just a 3D rendering test, its a complete SoC performance.

Where is the Galaxy nexus(overclocked SGX540) on gamescore?

You are so ignorant with your video analogies, what's next, a VQXGA TV's supposed of being able to run Skyrim? x)

And hello, you are comparing QUAD CORE chips with the S4!
The S4 equivalent for those will be asynchronous 1.8 GHz S4 quad PRO.
And spill it out, what's crappy about the dual core S4 PRO that will be out fairly soon. Huh?
I look forward your reaction when you realize it will be on all accounts superior than the Exynos in SGS III.

Anyway, i'm tired of this - the truth is i DONT GIVE A SH*T ABOUT QUALCOMM OR SNAPDRAGON - i just have a bad habit of reacting to lack of logic in people who think they're some hot sh*t.

posted on 22 Apr 2012, 14:02

111. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

if you react to lack of logic, you must fight with the mirror quite often.

quick baby logic for ya. if the S4 outperforms the 4210 exynos by about 10-15% in actual commercial phone testing, and the 4212 DUAL CORE exynos is supposed to be near 50% improvement over the 4210, where does that leave the S4?
Outclassed by a 32nm dual core A9.. thats where.

posted on 22 Apr 2012, 15:06

121. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)

Haha, oh man..here's my point.. SO WHAT.

Have you answered any of my questions?! - no, usually, and conveniently for you.
You're just unable to listen, nor to accept you being wrong.

And i'll bet you that S4 pro will be way superior to Exynos 4212, btw.
But whatever.

posted on 22 Apr 2012, 17:16

122. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

i have answered most of your questions pretty directly. apparently you havent read anything and just keep going of on childish fan boy tangents.

BTW, if the S4 quad follows normal logic, it should get up to a max 50% improvement by adding 2 more cores, just like the 4212 does when it goes from dual to quad... negating the GPU changes and concentrating on CPU only. Guess what, if that holds true, that still puts it behind the quad 4212 and dual 5250..not even on the playing field for the quad 5250.

your still a silly fanboy. :)

posted on 23 Apr 2012, 04:32

124. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)

Here, i'll demonstrate it(spell it out) to you:

..waiting your direct answer, tick tack.

Fanboy of what am i?
I'm perfectly fine saying that exynos is the fastest SoC, and i said it many times.

Yet, for you even the s4 is crap although you admitted it's already better than tegra 3.
And there's PC-ready quad PRO, and high end dual core pro variant in the pipeline for this year's releases.
Tegra 4? Next year, sorry!
So again ask your self what the f**k are you trolling about

posted on 23 Apr 2012, 07:16

125. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

bahaha.. look how angry your getting. for someone who keeps saying how much you dont care you sure are frustrated.

I think ive explained this enough times. I compare 2011 chips to 2011 chips and 2012 chips to 2012 chips. IN THOSE TERMS both the S3 and S4 are bottom barel chips. DOES THAT MEAN that they are bad for everyone? NO. I've said a dozen times that the S4 is going to be more than enough for most people.

I am not most people. I want the best of the group. Crapdragons have never been the best of the group. Not the S1, not the S2, not the S3 and not the S4.
As far as power goes, that would be hummingbird,hummingbird, exynos dual, exynos quad/ A15 dual.

It has nothing to do with being a samsung fanboy. Its facts. plain and simple. Until Samsung started making top notch stuff, they were never on my radar. And the moment someone starts making better stuff, samsung will not be on my radar any longer. But looking at everyone's road maps lets me know thats probably not going to happen soon.

BTW, the "pc ready quad pro" that your mentioning isnt even slated to be made until Q4 2012 which means we probably wont see it until Q1 2013 at best as things always get pushed back. Q4 2012 is also when the exynos Quad A15's come out, which is even more powerful than the S4 Quad with a bigger GPU in tow... so its irrelevant before its even launched.
Irrelevant to whom? To normal users? no, its going to have tons of power. It will be irrelevant to power & benchmarks geeks like me.

And if you dont like my opinions, quit trolling my comments. Easy as pie.

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