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Snapdragon S4 Pro with Adreno 320 graphics is the first to top the new iPad's PowerVR GPU

0. phoneArena posted on 16 Aug 2012, 04:48

For the first time we have something else than the new iPad on top of the GLBenchmark test, and it is an LG E970 device with Snapdragon S4 Pro and Adreno 320 GPU...

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posted on 16 Aug 2012, 16:35

85. remixfa (Posts: 14604; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

the S4 uses the adreno 225 which is a HORRIBLE GPU compared to the Mali 400 or even the T3's. It is a minor upgrade to the S3's HORRIBLE Adreno 220 gpu which isnt even as powerful as my old Galaxy S1's PowerVR GPU. You know its bad when you get out benched by a single core chip that came out the year before.

The regular S4 is an INTERM chip designed to keep Q relevant and selling chips until they could launch the S4-Pro with the Adreno 320. Why do you think they are rereleasing the exact same CPU with a new GPU. Do you see anyone else doing that? ever? The S4 quad is the exact same CPU/GPU as the pro with 2 extra cores on the chip. You might get a 20-30% brute force calculations bump with the Quad, and a nicer Quadrant score if they O/C the Adreno 320 a bit.

All of my opinions are based on comparisons of the similar chips in each class.

BTW, Quadrant benchmarks became irrelevant a LONG time ago. That hasnt changed. Dont wet your pants over quadrant scores.

Your right, I am much smarter than that.. which is why I'm right :) :) :)

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 17:17 1

89. kingpet13 (Posts: 139; Member since: 02 Feb 2012)

Is quadrant the same thing is glbennchmark? Cause if you look at the glbenchmarks right now it is essentially snapdragon s4 pro>apple>huawei>/=s4>exynos. Which brings me to wonder two things, why does samsung give apple a more powerful graphics processor than the s3(I mean they essentially made the iPad 3s processor) and why cant huawei be more popular(they have good designs powerful self made processors, and innovative ideas)? Of course i could be wrong and quadrant could run glbenchmark. But i don't think they do.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 18:35 1

93. remixfa (Posts: 14604; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

its not a "give". Samsung designs the CPU for Apple. Its essentially a redressed exynos 4212 (the dual core version of the chip in the SGS3). Before someone cries foul over what I just said, Apple bought Intrinsic who is where Samsung originally got the base designs for the Hummingbird/Exynos, but it has been Samsung making pretty much all the advancements on the chip..

That brings us to the GPU. That has nothing to do with samsung. Apple has contracts with PowerVR (and something tells me a non-compete clause with samsung so they cant use the same GPU) who supplies the GPU to samsung to install on Apple's version of the chip.

Samsung by choice or by force goes with the 2nd strongest GPU, which is the Mali series. Apple hasnt always had the lead. Back when the i4 came out, the SGS1 and the i4 used nearly the same CPU/GPU combo. Samsung had a slightly newer version of the PowerVR that Apple was also using, which gave it a slight graphic power advantage. Apple bought Intrinsic right after that and Samsung switched to Mali from then on out... which is why I think there's something in the Apple paperwork preventing Samsung from using PowerVR anymore

posted on 17 Aug 2012, 08:33

104. kingpet13 (Posts: 139; Member since: 02 Feb 2012)

Thank you I have been trying to figure that out for ages. I just couldn't find a good site to explain it. I wonder what the ss would do on the antutu benchmarks with the PowerVR. Probably design a table to take over all of apples market share. :P

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 18:37 1

95. remixfa (Posts: 14604; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

oh. and no.. quadrant is its own test.

Those are prelim benchmarks. Never trust a benchmark that doesnt come from a store bought retail unit. Prelim benchmarks have a tenancy to be done in the "best possible" conditions.. something you wont see in real life.

The GPU in the S4 Pro is darn nice.. no one is doubting that.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 08:37

22. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5713; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)

wouldn't your claims that HTC & LG releasing S4 Pro handsets very soon be speculation anyway? xD

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 08:55 1

23. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4888; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)

Those phones have been announced. That is not speculation. It's just a matter of time.

Ok how can you see that TI & Samsung make better SoC's. Samsung's only work on certain markets, not all markets like Qualcomm's & TI looks like their in trouble because their investors want them to drop out of the SoC game altogether. Who knows if we will even see a OMAP 5 at all. I haven't heard any news from Texas Instruments.

Qualcomm is setting the standard this year & that is FACT. They are the BEST right now. No one is better than Qualcomm right now. When your precious A15 dual-core hits & Qualcomm will counter with their quad-core. So it looks like it's Qualcomm's lead to loose, in other words they will not be over taken. Like they over took Samsung & Texas Instruments.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 10:41 2

25. remixfa (Posts: 14604; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

SAE, you have turned into such a qually fanboy its getting silly.. but i still lubs ya.

its not their game to lose if they are not in the game yet. Right now, its samsung's game. It MAY/will probably become Qs game for a bit, but the A15 is the same launch window as the Pro... Q4. The S4 quad isnt slated until 2013 some time, which is the same window as the Exynos5 quad. Like normal qualcomm is trying to be "first", but samsung always counters with "better". What used to be a wide "first" window of 3-6 months for Q is quickly shrinking to a few weeks.

Your time tables are completely messed up. I'm gonna get you straight sooner or later.

Exynos works fine in any market, and it works with LTE. Its just not integrated. Thats carrier demands, not a problem with the chip, that keep it from being huge in america. I would be EXTREMELY surprised if Exynos5 didnt have the LTE issue fixed.

ALso, again, Q makes up about 1/4th of the sales of samsung chips. they are not winning in power or volume so please stop being silly.
The Pro's Benchmarks with the new Adreno GPU are darn nice no doubt... but until its actually RELEASED in a phone for sale, its not "the king" of anything.

Q cant lose a lead if they are not in the lead yet.

S4-Pro phone launch window Q4 2012
Exynos 5 phone/tablet launch window Q4 2012
S4 pro quad launch windows Q2-4 2013
Exynos 5 quad launch windows Q2-4 2013.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 12:59 1

40. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4888; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)

You are wrong, there will NOT be a Samsung phone with the Exynos 5 this year at all. If the Exynos 5 DOES come out this year it will ONLY in a tablet & nothing else. REMEMBER the S III is the flagship phone & the Note 2 will have the SAME as the S III, because they don't want it to be better than the flagship.

The dual-core S4 Pro WILL be in a 2 handsets guaranteed this year, as early as LATE Q3, early Q4.

There are RUMORS of HTC phones with quad-core S4 Pro. So that will hit before the S IV just like the HTC One X hit before the SIII. I am only going by recent history. You know what they say history repeats itself.

Also it's know in the industry that Qualcomm makes the best modems around. I can guarantee that if you open your handset right now there will be something made by Qualcomm. You are right Samsung is Qualcomm's customer just as is Apple & every other MAJOR OEM in existence. Qualcomm doesn't only make money from their SoC's, they make so many essential parts mobile phones & tablets. Qualcomm is not a one trick pony. They have been in the game for ever.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 15:54

71. remixfa (Posts: 14604; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

dude.. you are still confusing timelines

There has been NO OFFICIAL announcement of any phone with ANY of these chips ON SALE in America any time soon. Your confusing leaks as "official". Just because one has more leaks than the other doesnt mean that its coming any sooner.
Will the S4 pro be in an american phone for sale sooner than the Exynos5? Yea, more than likely. Will it be for sale A LOT sooner than the E5? Probably not. My guess is your window is probably 1-2 months before the E5 has a commercial launch at best.

Your wild eyed belief that the E5 is going to be immediately "answered" by the S4- Quad is also crazy. There is NOTHING official about a timeline for those either. If you see one in a phone, on an american carrier BEFORE Q2 of 2013, ill buy you a soda.

I Dont disagree that Q is going to beat Sammy to the launch punch.. they normally do. But sammy has a 100% rate of kicking the crap out of Q when they do launch.

Besides, when the Pro/quad and the E5/E5-quad release we will be in a zone of "who really gives a crap.. were swimming in excess power". :)

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 12:46 1

37. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5713; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)

they haven't been announced, they've been rumored. i don't remember HTC announcing any One X+ or LG announcing an Eclipse. xD

however i'm sure they're real my point was just don't you think that projecting their release as imminent is as premature as using a projection about how these SoCs stack up together?

that's rumor and speculation, keep up the hypocrisy why don't ya? you're counting on Samsung and TI to fail because you know that if they don't they'll wipe the floor with Qualcomm.

right now yes, Qualcomm is the best here in the States but if you'll read comment #34 you'll see that it's not so cut and dry. you'll also see why your S4 Pro Quad projections are kind of premature.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 13:19 1

45. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4888; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)

We are all speculating, so if I am guilty of "hypocrisy" then aren't you as well? At least these phones are rumored which is more than I can say for both Samsung's Exynos 5 & TI OMAP 5.

Qualcomm is beast'ing right now & you are hating because of it. Samsung & TI right now has some work ahead of them.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 13:39 1

48. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5713; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)

i don't have a problem with speculation as long as it has good basis. i'm just pointing out that you're doing the very thing that you seem to have a big problem with me doing but hey if you want to speculate then be my guest guy, just don't get all REAL in here on me if you know what i mean. xD
that's true but we can't control what leaks and what doesn't, we just work with what we're given.

i'm not hating hating that Qualcomm is beasting, they are, i admitted that. they're probably going to power the Razr HD i might get but the fanboys in here are getting ahead of themselves. as far as who actually has the best SoC out of this next crop remains to be seen but Qualcomm definitely has their work cut out for them because the OMAP5 and the Exynos 5250 look mighty beastly. the only real, imminent threat and by that i mean Q4-Q1 to Qualcomm is by TI with their OMAP5. based on what we've seen so far it looks like the OMAP5 would beat the S4 Pro and as far as your logic about the S4 Pro Quad following up soon that actually doesn't really make much sense because these are still going into different people's phones and tablets and i'm sure HTC and LG expects these new S4 Pro handsets of theirs to carry them into like Q2 of 2013, they aren't just going to suddenly 1-UP their handsets just so Qualcomm can beat TI or Samsung. remember that if HTC and LG do release these S4 Pro handsets of theirs for the holidays that will have been half a year after they released their S4 Flagships. they're going to maximize sales for their handsets. no fanboy is going to change that.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 13:59 1

52. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4888; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)

+1 Again!

You have to admit the speculation posting is fun though! lol

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 14:17 2

56. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5713; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)

oh yeah, i'm always down for a good debate. it gets those brain juices flowing. with all the smart people we have here we should be able to figure out anything. ;D

posted on 17 Aug 2012, 07:13 1

102. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4888; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)

We should all combine our efforts & try to make a rocket or a space ship to orbit the Earth. lol

Yeah my 4 year old kid has been talking rockets & space ships for about a month now. lol

posted on 19 Aug 2012, 09:28 1

114. remixfa (Posts: 14604; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

ha. I can help with programming and medical. lol. (dusts off old visual basic programming book).. hey do we still use this programming language? lol

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 13:02 1

41. KParks23 (Posts: 679; Member since: 13 Oct 2010)

U realize that the omap 5 will not be released till mid 2013 and ti is talking about shutting down its development for processors.. Lmao I guess everything has a fan boy behind it.. u don't think that when they release that qualcomm will have something comparable but right now qualcomm is the only company in the game now!

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 13:18

44. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5713; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)

oh yeah? i'd like to know where you get your information because nobody else has heard that. the investors for TI are SUGGESTING shutting down the mobile chip division, that doesn't mean anything solid about the company's future. right now yeah, they're doing very well and i commend them for that but it's when fanboys start thinking that they've just suddenly started making better SoCs than Samsung and TI when there's a problem. the OMAP5 and the Exynos 5250 are coming just like this S4 Pro is that fanboys are already proclaiming victory with.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 14:13

54. KParks23 (Posts: 679; Member since: 13 Oct 2010)

Yea fan boys like u.. of course when they release the 5 chips they will be better the current qualcomm would have been out almost a year comparing what's out now qualcomm is on top they have a duel core almost matching Sammy but with better battery management you guys have the absolute dumbest thought process

Qualcomm is out now but it's garbage because in a year Sammy and ti will have a better chip lol..

Then when the Sammy and ti chips come out and then qualcomm makes a better chip it will be.. ok just wait in 2 years when the omap 6 comes out it will show that crapdragon who is boss.. u and remixa are retarded..

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 14:24

58. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5713; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)

i'm comparing the OMAP5 to the S4 Pro guy. their dual-core uses a newer and better architecture, it's not quite up to A15 snuff but it's definitely good enough to get it compared to quad A9s without it being a joke. i wonder now if you even know what you're talking about...

don't try my patience with that exaggerated nonsense. homie don't play dat.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 15:13

63. KParks23 (Posts: 679; Member since: 13 Oct 2010)

Yea and the s4pro will be out late this year the omap 5 will be out almost 6months later.. that's my point something 6 months later should be better

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 15:19

64. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5713; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)

what did i just tell you? SKAT TROLL!

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 15:25

65. KParks23 (Posts: 679; Member since: 13 Oct 2010)

Ii don't care what u just told me Ur just a typical dumbass fan boy..

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 15:45

69. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5713; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)

where's the sense in anything you've told me? you really think the OMAP5 will come out in April of next year? you're the dumbass...

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 15:56 1

72. remixfa (Posts: 14604; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

you do realize that the S4 was to answer samsung's exynos line which was making mincemeat out of the horrid S3 chip, right? It is just an interm chip designed to keep Qualcomm relevant until they could get ahold of the Adreno 320.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 07:34 1

12. Bluesky02 (Posts: 1439; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)

Heard there's an ex-AMD guy working over there

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 08:25

18. 305Bucko (Posts: 506; Member since: 07 Aug 2011)

Qualcomm bought AMD/ATI So that doesnt surprise me.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 13:46

50. Bluesky02 (Posts: 1439; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)

Nah they didn't buy AMD/ATi, its just that there are some ex-AMD guys over there doing a great job

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 08:03 3

14. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)

Just like I predicted, arguing with those ridiculous snapdragon haters Remixfa and KK.

This is the phone SoC champion of 2012.
Will there be an Exynos dual in phones at al this year?
Or an OMAP 5?

Tegra 3+ for sure can't compete with this.

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