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Samsung growing to top smartphone brand in Europe, iPhone slowing down in Europe in Q2 2012

0. phoneArena posted on 06 Aug 2012, 09:18

We’ve already seen the quarterly sales data of Android and iOS - major researchers like Strategy Analytics, IDC and Canalys all agreed that Google’s platform…

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posted on 06 Aug 2012, 09:40 3

10. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)

Answer is in comment #9. :)

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 10:59 4

41. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

Lots of people PREFER iOS. iPhone performs like a top of the line phone. You android fans think that specs tell the whole story, but they don't. Android needs 2 gigs of ram just to control the lag and force closes. iPhone doesn't.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 11:17 7

42. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)

The iPhone can perform like a top of the line phone all it wants, i'll take my mini-computer Android phone instead.

Enjoy your top of the line phone, taco, I'll take a smart phone.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 11:32 3

49. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

Nice troll attempt but no cigar. It's very telling that the iPhone is THE handest in business. About 70% market share.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 11:40 3

57. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)

Where does it say iphone got 70% market share..from recent world wide market share the figures put android ahead of ios

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 11:42 1

60. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

In business not overall.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 11:51 3

75. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)

Oh OK got it..I'll take your for it don't really look much into the enterprise section and would guess iOS would seem more secure to that section

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 13:43 1

141. tedkord (Posts: 14151; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)

I wouldn't doubt it. Business generally wants a locked down device. They don't want employees playing with it, or customizing it.

My company just got my boss an iPhone. He's a great guy, but he can barely turn a computer on. I can't begin to count the Times I've been called back to his office to fix his pc, or to make up an excel sheet. Once, he got a picture from the internet (not a bad one...) on his desktop and couldn't figure out how to remove it. (Somehow, he put it on his active desktop, not as a wallpaper. I don't know how he managed that.)

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 12:14 1

94. TortillaSlap (Posts: 43; Member since: 05 Aug 2012)

in "business"?? lol. that is a market they are falling out of as fast as they got into. Android is more secure, has been proven to be more secure, is easier to write custom business apps for, and doesnt have the "one size fits all" approach so people can get what they need.

Like always, your facts are skewed, wrong, or out dated.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 12:51 1

121. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

No my facts are correct. Android is usually for the young budget crowd. Business people use iPhones and that's backed up by facts.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 13:36 4

139. kingpet13 (Posts: 139; Member since: 02 Feb 2012)

Young budget crowd? Thats why the three most popular androids (s3 one x and razr maxx) are all 300$ on contract right? Also you claim that all
Thos preorders go to retailer? What do you think those retailers do with the s3? They probably sell it to the consumer. So the fact that 9 million consumers wanted the s3 over the iphone does not change wheter they buy it from a retailer or from samsung directly. Can you supply these facts that backup your statements perhaps? Last time I checked android has more advantages for buisness, as you can use google docs, download apps to increase the phones security. While a buisness that uses apple will probably put information in iCloud, which then gives all your info to apple.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 16:01 3

169. TortillaSlap (Posts: 43; Member since: 05 Aug 2012)

9 million presales, 10 million actual sales within the month. thats all the presales + an extra million.

dont tell taco that though, he wont believe you.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 11:20 3

43. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)

How many people prefer iOS, but haven't had any experience with the other operating systems? I believe you for one, when was the last time you worked extensively with Android 4.1 or WP?

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 11:31 1

47. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

I have a galaxy tab 7.7 currently running ICS. How many people use android 4.1 when it's on .08% of devices? Pretty much none. We can't even talk about ICS yet as its only on 15% of devices. I've also tried out windows phone.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 11:39 1

54. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)

Taco so iCS is better than honey-comb?

So how you finding iCS to iOS 5?

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 11:42 1

59. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

Honestly I don't see anything innovative in ICS and it hasn't fixed the lag and force closes. My galaxy tab doesn't get much play due to me not liking android.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 11:47 2

71. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)

I'm not talking about owning a device that's updated, I mean like going to a Radioshack or Best Buy or something to get some hands-on time with a Nexus 7. And the Galaxy Tab isn't exactly the most credible source to see if Android is good or not, especially considering their Touchwiz skin masks ICS almost completely, except with the Nature UX on the GS3. Go and actually use a Nexus 7, or a GS3, or a One X (S), Galaxy Nexus, etc. So many good devices that you probably haven't given the time of day to see if they're any good. Sure, every device has its own cons, but I bet you would find a device you would like if you actually used one.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 11:54 3

77. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

So I have to use specific devices? I always hear that. First we're told how much better the device is and then months later you will admit its not a good device but this newer one is amazing. My galaxy tab is only about 5 months old so it shouldn't be an outdated piece of junk.

I shouldn't have to go on a treasure hunt to find a decent android device.

I can just use iOS that I know will give me a good experience.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 12:12 4

93. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)

Not specific devices, recent devices. I only named a few. The Galaxy Tab 7.7 is almost a year old, I believe it was announced in early September of 2011. And I never said the Galaxy Tab was a piece of junk, I said it wasn't the best example for Android because of Samsung's Touchwiz. Really, the only Touchwiz I found bearable is the one found in the GS3. If the Galaxy Tab was stock, it would be very good, but; Samsung.

I know iOS brings a good experience. I've worked with iPhones, iPads, and I own an iPod Touch 4. There is hardly any lag (I would call it a stutter, not lag), and it gives a very simple way to do everyday tasks. But compared with Android, it's lacking. The only thing Android has lacked for the first 3 years of it's existence, is the right hardware. But around mid-2011, hardware wasn't the problem anymore, it was manufacturer's UIs, and that's why stock Android became more popular.

With iOS, the first 3 years were great. But Apple peaked with the iPhone 4. Now, all Apple is riding on for sales is their reputation. No regular consumer actually compares Android to iOS anymore, they just assume iOS is better because of the reputation. But in reality, Android has surpassed iOS in being user-friendly and overall functionality. Sure iOS has a simple, and smooth UI. But it's getting old.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 12:23 4

107. matrix_neo (Posts: 334; Member since: 03 Nov 2011)

Very well said especially in the last paragraph, I hope itaco50 1/3 of his mind wakes up what is the truth about his beloved iphone.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 12:53 3

122. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

I don't think android has surpassed Apple at all. They appeal to different crowds. I like iOS because I don't want to tinker with my phone and prefer trade offs like no widgets for better battery life.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 13:25 1

134. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)

I hear people having problems with trying to ration their usage because their iPhone (4 and 4S) was running low all the time. And many people at my school bring their chargers with them. Plus, if you want battery life you could just get a Razr Maxx. Android has options to suit everyones needs.

For battery hogs, Razr Maxx.

Spec hungry, GS3
Design conscious, many HTC devices.

Those who want to stay up to date, the Nexus line, etc etc. And some Android phones combine and balance all of those characteristics. All while keeping the user-friendly and functional experience of Android.

Everything that you could think of that iOS has over Android, Android has a solution for it. And if you really want to keep some iOS traits in Android, instead of putting widgets in the homescreen, just put all of your apps in there instead. Or, I'm sure they have an iOS custom ROM somewhere.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 13:50 3

144. tedkord (Posts: 14151; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)

Lithium chemistry batteries lose life over time. It's just a fact of the product. My buddies iPhone 4 needs charging a couple of times a day now.

My Cowon Q5w, within one year, went from being able to watch movies for over 9 hours straight, to lasting less than 2 hours.

Battery tech is one area that really needs some innovation. Badly.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 14:35 1

154. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)

"Battery tech is one area that really needs some innovation. Badly."

But people are talking that battery tech innovations already is, but they are patented and lies in oil companies drawers.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 14:47

157. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)

I've had my iPod since last Christmas, it went from having about 16 hours of battery life to 4 hours, if I don't use it that much. All I do is maybe watch 5-10 youtube videos a day on it, and listen to music for a couple hours. For something advertised to have 40 hours of audio playback when fully charged, I only get about 6 hours.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 14:47 1

156. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

and everything you rant and rave about android I can do with a jailbreak.

I don't want android and lots of other people don't want android. There's lots of people who make educated decisions and choose Apple. Just like there's lots of consumers who know nothing about tech and pick android because it's cheaper.

See the problem is that in your mind iOS is never the right choice. That makes you

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 15:14 4

160. tedkord (Posts: 14151; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)

No, there are lots of people who know tech who choose Android. For instance, pretty much every Android user you butt heads with regularly on this site has shown themselves to be far more knowledgeable about tech than you. Sniggly, remix, me.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 15:32 2

163. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)

You can jailbreak, but that makes iOS very unstable, and it still doesn't have all of the features of Android.

How can you say you don't want Android, when you haven't even had a chance to see what it all has to offer? Or, you do have a chance to see it, you just choose to close your mind and be ignorant. People's decisions to pick Apple aren't educated unless they have actually gone out and tried what others have to offer before choosing, which I doubt even 10% of people that have iDevices have done. The great majority of people who buy iPhones only buy it because "it's an iPhone" and haven't even considered anything else. You just basically said that only smart people choose Apple and only uneducated lower class people choose Android.

I only think iOS is the wrong choice if people don't look to see other offers. If you don't look at the other high-end smartphones that are available, it might be the wrong decision. I looked at the iPhone 4S before buying my GS2, I highly considered it actually, but I chose the GS2 because I liked the big, vibrant display. Even though I hate Touchwiz. And when the next iPhone comes out, I'm going to look at what it has to offer before considering the Razr HD or the next Nexus, or whatever phone is out; because I still think Apple might surprise us this year with something new. I already looked at WP, and I just didn't like the interface.

I look at my options before making a decison. Unlike you, who won't even take a glance at any other options and will just buy the new iPhone without a second thought.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 16:36 2

172. tedkord (Posts: 14151; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)

He prefers it. There's nothing wrong with that, people should buy what they like and enjoy it. But, they shouldn't kid themselves or anyone else that their product is in some way premier, nor pretend they have any idea why others chose something else.

posted on 06 Aug 2012, 16:55 3

175. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)

I know, I don't mind if he prefers it. It's just kind of stupid that he talks about Apple like they are some magical company that's better than everyone else. I wouldn't mind that he prefers iOS if he would just try what others have to offer, instead of basing his entire perception of Android on 1 device that's bloated with a custom skin that makes it unenjoyable for the user.

He takes his experience with the Galaxy Tab 7.7 on ICS and then thinks, "Well, I guess this is what it's like on every Android device that is and ever will be made." And then closes his mind to any other physical evidence that says otherwise.

If he were to actually go and try out a Nexus 7, and actually see how much better Android has gotten, then I wouldn't argue with him. He doesn't have to like it, he just has to appreciate it for what it is, stop with all of these generalizations of his, and quit fooling himself into thinking that Apple is the same innovative company that it used to be.

I'm usually a pretty level-headed guy, who can deal with the utmost amount of arguing and still be calm and rational, but it's just ignorant people like him that get under my skin.

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