Samsung allegedly in talks with Sony to get the Xperia Z5 camera sensor for the Galaxy S7

Sony's new IMX300 sensor has apparently impressed Samsung so much, that the company wants to have it in the Galaxy S7, concurrently with the ISOCELL piece. It's not clear if Samsung will use the two sensors interchangeably, but given its track record, it might, so you could get a Galaxy S7 either with a Samsung, or a Sony sensor, depending on the region and model...
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45. kent-gaga

Posts: 609; Member since: Apr 10, 2012

one possible explaination: Samsung made a deal with Sony to implement the IMX240 first on their Note 4, but at the same time ask Sony to keep quiet about the IMX230 (in exchanged for money of course) until later so they (samsung) can brag about how they got the first place with the best sensor in town. BTW I looked it up, the IMX230 was out since Nov. 2014, not 2015! Here's the proof:http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/201411/14-112E/

51. S.A.S.P

Posts: 19; Member since: Sep 06, 2015

"ask Sony to keep quiet about the IMX230 (in exchanged for money of course" are you serious ? what kind of joke was that?! ISOCELL Announcement was in September,2013 ! galaxy note 4 Announced in September,2014(two month earlier!) and IMX230 Announced in November,2014!(two month later) and Shipment date was April, 2015 btw as the link above from Genza Sony patented DTI tech in 2015.9.16(not used and announced yet!) while Samsung was announced better tech(F-DTI+VTG and PDAF) in September,2013

52. kent-gaga

Posts: 609; Member since: Apr 10, 2012

it's not a joke, it's business it's the same thing Sony's done with the Xperia Z1 and its IMX200 sensor and now it's the Xperia Z5 and its IMX300 sensor

71. sunjay140

Posts: 118; Member since: Mar 19, 2015

The Z1 had the IMX220, sir.

80. kent-gaga

Posts: 609; Member since: Apr 10, 2012

sorry, my mistake

49. Genza

Posts: 576; Member since: Mar 12, 2014

I can't find any documentation about image sensor with both PDAF and isolated pixels from Sony in 2014 because when it comes to custom image sensor for other manufacturer Sony don't provide any documantation for it. That is why you can't find any official info about the image sensor in Lumia 920 series, iPhone, G4 and Samsung flagships. I have proved that you are wrong about IMX230, now can you please show me any reliable source that shows that IMX240 build upon Samsung ISOCELL technology??? Can you also tell me why they not bragging about the ISOCELL in their Note 4 or their latest flagships like what they have done with Galaxy S5??? And why the model number is IMX240 not S2K4P0XX or something like that like the rest of their ISOCELL sensor??? The Apple A9 are fabricated by Samsung and TSMC but they still called it as their own custom designed SoC with model number APLXXX not Exynos XXX.

62. S.A.S.P

Posts: 19; Member since: Sep 06, 2015

PDAF and isolated pixels (F-DTI+VGT) are whole new tech and need to Announce. and you think Sony just give it up to Samsung in 2013 (to be Announced by Samsung!) so why Sony most Announce PDAF tech in November,2014 !! and again Announce DTI tech in 2016!!!? can you tell me how you find documentation about IMX230 that announced new tech like PDAF for the first time? - its so simple! Sony cant provide any documentation because its not Sony's tech btw you just prove that IMX230 has PDAF nothing more. I cant put any links just yet(coz of limitations) but you can search for ISOCELL vs. IMX240 who will show you that the difference is about just a little image processing difference. so that mean both have the same technology(same details and same noise level and same low light performance) I don't get it ?! why you think they most bragging about old tech!! before update it was shown as S5K2P8 ! but after update its change to IMX240!!

70. S.A.S.P

Posts: 19; Member since: Sep 06, 2015

btw Exynos SOC is designed by ARM(both cpu and gpu) so with your logic it cant be named as "Samsung Exynos" ?!

75. Genza

Posts: 576; Member since: Mar 12, 2014

Hahah... it seems you don't have any logical way of thinking. PDAF and isolated pixels (F-DTI+VGT) are not whole new tech it actually pretty old but Samsung is the first manufacturer who combine the 3 different tech into image sensor. "Sony cant provide any documentation because its not Sony's tech" Lol... are you serious??? If what you said is true that means the image sensor in Xperia Z5 series, a6000, RX100IV, a7S series and a7R II is not Sony sensor. Because i can find any official documentation about all those sensor. And in case you didn't know at first Sony doesn't provide any details about the image sensor in Xperia Z1. Yeah i know you can show me a comparison between ISOCELL vs IMX240 but i doubt it comes from very reliable source, it's either from Samsung fanboy or Sony fanboy. "I don't get it ?! why you think they most bragging about old tech!! before update it was shown as S5K2P8 ! but after update its change to IMX240!!" Dude did you ever see a comparison between the Original ISOCELL in S5 vs IMX240? The IMX240 beat the crap of the original ISOCELL in any situations. So if it's true that the IMX240 is based on ISOCELL Samsung must brags about it because it's newer and better version. Just like what Sony do with their second gen of Exmor RS sensor in April 2014 that support real time HDR at full resolution (13MP) @30fps, 4K @30fps and 1080p @60fps. Now you need to show me some proof to me how you can change the model number by software updates. As far as i know from the Note 4 teardown the sensor is IMX240.

78. S.A.S.P

Posts: 19; Member since: Sep 06, 2015

now your jumping off the topic first you need to answer my questions! - and do you have any idea about this?! "ISOCELL Announcement was in September,2013 ! galaxy note 4 Announced in September,2014(two month earlier!) and IMX230 Announced in November,2014!(two month later) and Shipment date was April, 2015 btw as the link above from Genza Sony patented DTI tech in 2015.9.16(not used and announced yet!) while Samsung was announced better tech(F-DTI+VTG and PDAF) in September,2013" second you need to prove what's your saying. like: "PDAF and isolated pixels (F-DTI+VGT) are not whole new tech it actually pretty old but Samsung is the first manufacturer who combine the 3 different tech into image sensor." I want you to prove: "PDAF, F-DTI, VGT was announced for mobile sensor's before ISOCELL" if you cant find any documentation about a specific sensor, that mean nothing new or important tech to mention for that sensor btw-I don't know why you couldn't find information about a7s sensor!!?(PA says im not allow to put links yet!!! so I cant ) just try harder man!! please can you search before you talk or comparing something?! The Original ISOCELL in S5 doesn't have OIS while IMX240 in Galaxy note4 had OIS !(or maybe other hardware difference like improved optic parts or etc.) Some Exynos version's of Galaxy note 4 were using ISOCELL sensor. about changing model number by software you can search in XDA forum-note 4 section or search for "Different camera sensors? Isocell vs imx240?" I have note 4 and it happened to me too!

12. TyrionLannister unregistered

Disappointing. I was hoping for RGB sensor. The z5 is still not as good as S6 despite what dxomark says. Yes, it has better stabilisation and focus but everything else is worse.

13. maccess

Posts: 742; Member since: Jan 16, 2013

Dont forget that sony's software processing never as good as samsung's one..

14. abdoualgeria

Posts: 928; Member since: Jul 27, 2015

imx300 + samsung algorithms process = best photophone ever made

16. TyrionLannister unregistered

Maybe. But RWB sensors are way better.

37. Genza

Posts: 576; Member since: Mar 12, 2014

Lol... how can you say that RWB is better??? Just because Samsung shows you some nice looking slideshow??? You can say whatever you want but the proof is in the pudding, when Sony, Samsung, Omnivision and several other companies to send samples of their image sensor to their consumers. Most of them prefer sony sensor, although the price is not as cheap as sensors from other companies and the quality of the sensor sony also proved to be one of the important components of all the best camera in the world. Unfortunately, Sony has not been able to optimize their image processing even their Alpha series cameras are no better than their Xperia smartphones.

42. TyrionLannister unregistered

RWB is a better technology. And all sensor manufacturers are working on it, not only Samsung. It's simply superior to RGB. How are you even questioning it? Maybe you don't know how it works.

56. marorun

Posts: 5029; Member since: Mar 30, 2015

We shall see when its come out if its better or not. Many technology thats came out lately was more to add to the price of the phones than to improve them...

65. Genza

Posts: 576; Member since: Mar 12, 2014

RWB technology is actually pretty old and Aptina is already make RWB sensor since 2013.http://m.connect.dpreview.com/post/3175393898/aptina-explains-clarity-plus-clear-pixel-technology As you can see the RWB is already available but the RWB sensor still not good enough to reolace the conventional RGB sensor. My problem is how you can say that RWB is better even when you have no proof to back up your claims? I'm not an expert but i know a thing or two about image sensor. As far as i know RB will get far less light than W pixels, meaning they'll probably be noisier, and hence G derived from W-(R+B) will be noisy too. Then again, you could almost get away with just using the W channel as G or W is roughly Y in JPEG's YUV. White pixels also saturated earlier than Red and Blue pixels possibly limiting dynamic range. Showing some nice looking slideshow and talking about theory is easy but making it into a reality is not that easy. And so far there is no image sensor manufacturers can make the actual RWB sensor that is overall better than the RGB sensor.

68. TyrionLannister unregistered

All the pixels will get equal amount of light as they have equal size. This just craps on your alleged theory above. And you can sample G twice. Yes, the tech is new but I would prefer something new over something boring like the Sony sensor. I'm not going to buy a phone in 2016 anyway, so the more innovation the better.

76. Genza

Posts: 576; Member since: Mar 12, 2014

Hahaha... i think you doesn't like to see always Sony take the spot light when it comes to image sensor from your beloved company. The tech is new??? Dude did you even read Samsung just do the same thing that Aptina have done with RWB sensor in 2013. I think when it comes to image sensor Samsung is way more boring than Sony because other than DTI in ISOCELL samsung just redoing what others already have done. If you still think that RWB is overall better than RGB you need to read this publications from Eric R Fossum an American physicist and engineer known for developing the CMOS image sensor. See table II to see a comparison between various different CFA. http://ericfossum.com/Publications/Papers/2011%20IISW%20Two%20Layer%20Photodetector.pdf

81. TyrionLannister unregistered

I'm just not a fan of old tech. In a 2016 phone, I would never want to see a 2015 sensor, screen SoC or basically any tech. I was disappointed when Samsung used IMX240 in S6 as it was already used in 2014. It's nothing about brand loyalty. I'm not brand loyal at all. I've got an Apple tablet, Samsung phone, lenovo laptop, custom desktop, Sony TV, audio technica headphones and so on..... My next phone will most likely not be a Samsung, and definitely not S7. I just like to see new tech. I don't care if it fails. At least they would try. And yes, it's new on smartphones.

15. Sidewinder

Posts: 515; Member since: Jan 15, 2015

Guess sony's image processing is to be blamed here.. I saw a comparison of z5 with s6 on YouTube and the reviewer had a hard time getting the z5 to focus a close object

28. pwnarena

Posts: 1129; Member since: Feb 15, 2013

please show us that video because in almost all video comparisoins i've seen, the z5 never struggled. that recombu comparison, though, was dumb because he wanted to get a macro shot of a spider but instead of getting close to the spider, he moved away from the spider. how does that make sense? you want a macro and you are pulling away from the subject and you complain that you can't focus on the spider?

55. buccob

Posts: 2952; Member since: Jun 19, 2012

remember that the Z3 and Z5 line has a wide angle lens which in turn has a "far" focusing distance as minimum... My Z3 Compact can focus only at about 10cm (4 inches) if I go closer it can't focus, but on the other hand, I can lock focus at 10cm and then zoom in and have a nice 8MP close up.

57. marorun

Posts: 5029; Member since: Mar 30, 2015

Yeah some ppl just cant use it correctly.

72. sunjay140

Posts: 118; Member since: Mar 19, 2015

Maybe that youtuber should learn how to use a camera.

22. kent-gaga

Posts: 609; Member since: Apr 10, 2012

I guess that's for the future Maybe they will be using those new sensors in 2 or 3 years from now And another big problem is that there might not be enough facility to mass-produce those sensors in time for the S7's arrival

54. marorun

Posts: 5029; Member since: Mar 30, 2015

I disagree its only the camera app thats not as good. I tested both the S6 and the Z3 using Camera FV-5 app ( third party camera app ) and the Z3 beat the S6 on EVERYTHING beside focus speed. ITs has better colors , low light , clean movement capture with no blur ect. But yeah Samsung camera app is very good but not the best ( i had better result with camera FV-5 on the S6 as well compared to stock apps.. but difference was bigger on the Sony phone as the camera app suck.. )

61. TyrionLannister unregistered

I totally believe you. Z3 has much better optics than S6.

64. SYSTEM_LORD

Posts: 1168; Member since: Oct 05, 2015

This wouldn't be sarcasm, now would it?
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