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Rumored and confirmed specs for the upcoming BlackBerry Z10

0. phoneArena posted on 24 Dec 2012, 02:00

While the Z10 name and many of the specs are still not 100% confirmed, a couple specifications appear...

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posted on 24 Dec 2012, 06:02

32. andro. (Posts: 1999; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)

Agreed I also want bbm to die a horrible death. Its the bane of any staff working in the phone industry as there's nearly always problems and issues with it,the blackberry server for it crashes a lot and it costs money to use on a daily basis. So many teenagers complaining on a weekly basis that their bbm s don't work and its nothing to do with the carrier networks as email and internet work fine on their handsets just BlackBerry servers are down etc :-(

posted on 24 Dec 2012, 02:14 6

2. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)

Nice specs for BB. I expect BB10 to be like WP in how it doesn't need much power to run, so an OMAP 4470 or S4 should do nicely. That battery is a little low, however. 2,000 mAh at least RIM, unless you do some crazy optimizations for battery life.

posted on 24 Dec 2012, 02:43 3

6. AliNSiddiqui (Posts: 382; Member since: 19 Sep 2012)

Apple only has a 1440 may battery so I think RIM are fine

posted on 24 Dec 2012, 03:21 2

12. iDroidWin (Posts: 117; Member since: 07 Dec 2012)

Can't say. Lumia has close to 2000 mah and people at times complaint about it. Not sure what they are doing. I have seen people doing heavy gaming and complaining the phone doesnt last a day. WP8, BB10 and iOS follow the same meaning of "multi tasking", which actually isn't. So there is hope that BB10 is battery friendly.

posted on 24 Dec 2012, 04:50 5

26. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)

That's because Apple does crazy battery optimizations, and iOS isn't as much as a battery hog as other OS's.

posted on 24 Dec 2012, 05:37 1

30. iDroidWin (Posts: 117; Member since: 07 Dec 2012)

Though I use Note 2 and battery life is stellar, I wish I could say the same for my Desire. If I let my device multi task for few hours it runs out. But if I run it like iOS (limiting background processes), it runs quite well. Android too needs battery optimization, imo.

posted on 10 Jan 2013, 20:04

72. JohnnyBravo (Posts: 105; Member since: 02 Dec 2012)

Its all about how the OS manages the battery. My nexus has a 2100 mAh battery and battery life blows! I refuse to get a higher batter for my phone because it will look like a big zit on the back of my phone. I think for their OS 1800 should be fine...not to mention is removable!!!!

posted on 24 Dec 2012, 03:03 2

8. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)

its removable.... :)

posted on 24 Dec 2012, 04:52 2

27. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)

True, but not everyone likes carrying extra batteries and going through the hassle of recharging them all every night, me included.

I don't see what people have against non-removable batteries. Just get an extended battery case; you have more battery, protection, and you can charge both batteries at the same time!

posted on 24 Dec 2012, 06:07

33. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)

why do we have to carry more than one battery just becuase its removable?? just buy "one" bigger battery per say a 2100 battery from ebay when this ships and just use that one!.......you dont have to carry around more than one just cuz its removable.....

posted on 24 Dec 2012, 15:51

57. speckledapple (Posts: 892; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)

Its called flexibility. Just like people like microSD cards, hard drives, or even bluray discs. People like the ability to purchase something and not have to confined to a specific amount of space. Granted there are plenty who still purchase the non-removeable battery, non microSD devices but they do not out number the ones that don't.

Bottom line, having a battery one can remove is a worthy option to keep and one reason I will never purchase a Droid DNA, iPhone, or any other device that puts so many limitations on what should be standard options.

posted on 10 Jan 2013, 20:20

73. JohnnyBravo (Posts: 105; Member since: 02 Dec 2012)

Most of my phones have had a removable battery but I dont carry any extra batteries with me. However, there is something to be said for when your battery is at 5% and all of the sudden you do a quick switch and you are back at 100% while the other battery charges waiting its turn. Buddy of mine operates that way. If you look at it its more efficient as his phone is never pluged. I think the moral of the story here children is OPTIONS! people love having options even if they dont use them. Just the thought of having them makes us happy.

posted on 24 Dec 2012, 05:38

31. FoneAddict (Posts: 259; Member since: 05 Jul 2011)

Agreed, specs seem decent and I really want them to succeed but the battery looks to be a weak link. Blackberry traditionally have a good reputation when it comes to battery life so they should not throw that reputation away with BB10.

posted on 24 Dec 2012, 12:20

49. downphoenix (Posts: 3165; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)

previous bb phones were around 1000mah for batteries, so 1800 should be sufficient.

posted on 24 Dec 2012, 02:15

3. dwgit (Posts: 37; Member since: 24 Dec 2012)

Specs are so last year including the display cmon bb .next....

posted on 24 Dec 2012, 03:29

15. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)

That seems to be a congenital problem for RIM. The phones are going to be shipping effectively in 2Q2013. Up against Android flagship phones that almost to a manufacturer are quad core, 5 inch 1080p display and 2 Gb RAM with 16 Gb storage. Expect even MS (through its partners) to be pushing similar specs for 2013.

Yes, RIM may sell some BB10 phones to die-hard RIM fans (Palm even managed to make some sales). But you won't see anything approaching 20 million BB10 units sold in the remainder of 2013. And now, because of the way they changed the revenue model, RIM doesn't get a bunch of monthly recurring fees from the carriers - no wonder the carriers were so excited....

posted on 24 Dec 2012, 03:34 3

17. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)

its not about specs all the time.....for alot its about brand! and also alot are jus looking for something new... give em time......nobodys expecting them to blow competition out of the water as soon as they launch, it will take a bit of time just like any platform has

posted on 24 Dec 2012, 03:44 2

18. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)

And those people will make up a significant part of the 20 million sales for 2013. The rest of the RIM universe will be waiting out their contracts.

What is the compelling value proposition that RIM is offering with BB10? Messaging hub? Android already has that. Apple would make the same argument. The Android ecosystem is sooo much larger than the BB ecosystem. Even MS can argue they have a larger ecosystem. Unless RIM has managed to convince the carriers to completely subsidize the purchase and offer brand new phones for free, I am trying to understand what the value proposition is.

I am not anti-RIM/BB. I just don't see what is going to motivate a potential buyer to decide on BB.

Expect to see the non-loyalist community move on.

posted on 24 Dec 2012, 03:59

19. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)

well im glad you dont "see" it all and im glad you're "not" in control of peoples outcomes.......things you're saying is true no doubt but my question to you is, do you want to see them succeed?

posted on 24 Dec 2012, 04:18

20. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)

What I want doesn't really matter. I am attempting to apply some analytical thought to the challenge(s) facing RIM.

If RIM can not provide a compelling value proposition, they won't make the volume sales they need to make to survive, much less prosper. They have changed their revenue model to focus on handset sale revenues, so now they live or die based on selling phones.

Can you define a compelling value proposition for the BB10 phones (one that results in say, 20 million sales for the remainder of 2013)? For reference, MS appears to be on track to hit 20 million WP8 worldwide licenses for all of 2013. If RIM is going to remain relevant, it would seem to need to hold onto 3rd place. How does it hold off MS?

posted on 24 Dec 2012, 15:54 1

58. speckledapple (Posts: 892; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)

RIM is offering the value I think for the target group they have in mind. If specs were only akin to the top phones there would be no mid range or low cost phones at all. They are aiming for the mid range business market which do not jump on to the flagship bandwagon each year and often stick with what works with their company software until they feel that they need an upgrade.

With that market in mind, these specs actually make more sense then most. They will not be direct competition for the high end flagships.

posted on 24 Dec 2012, 04:52 1

28. JC557 (Posts: 1794; Member since: 07 Dec 2011)

Honestly the specs are good for its intended user base, just so long RIM prices it properly unless it has some feature that no one else has.

BB OS5 was very smooth on my BB Storm with such minimal specs so I expect fluid performance from this new phone.

posted on 24 Dec 2012, 03:05 4

9. ocilfa (Posts: 334; Member since: 03 Aug 2012)

Why dont android phones have specs like this? I dont mean cpu or display. Im talking micro-usb, micro-hdmi, micro-sd slot, and a removable battery.

posted on 24 Dec 2012, 03:11 1

10. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)

they're shaping up REALLY nicely..........before i wasnt sure about an alternative for android but now it seems blackberry could be that for me! gonna wait and see how it all unfolds, but for now it feels like they could very well be in 3rd place..... very soon :)

posted on 24 Dec 2012, 03:24 1

13. iDroidWin (Posts: 117; Member since: 07 Dec 2012)

Jollafish is good too.

posted on 24 Dec 2012, 03:27

14. OpTiMuS_BlAcK (Posts: 418; Member since: 04 May 2012)

Removable "BATTER"...kewl.

posted on 24 Dec 2012, 03:30 1

16. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)

Yeah, it can be used to bake cakes. Kind of like an update on the Easy Bake concept.

posted on 24 Dec 2012, 04:24

21. rickywinataa (Posts: 262; Member since: 05 Apr 2012)

the specs are pretty nice. i did expect TI OMAP processor but i certainly didn't know it is going to have 2 gigs of RAM. battery might not be as good as 9780, but at least it will get through the day easily. enterprise companies still acknowledge RIM as a great enterprise phone and i expect pentagon to implement BB 10 in the near future

posted on 24 Dec 2012, 04:39

23. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)

Don't hold your breath waiting for the U.S. DoD to implement BB10 phones. They have moved on to Android and to a lesser extent, iOS.

One more data point - in Silicon Valley, the major enterprise players have moved to Android or iOS.

posted on 24 Dec 2012, 08:14

35. slaggyb (Posts: 215; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)

POTUS still uses a blackberry... He was recently pictured with a bold 9900/9930.

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