Rumor says Google might help Samsung in optimizing TouchWiz

For the most part, the newest iteration of TouchWiz is snappier, more streamlined, and way more intuitive than its predecessors. Its gracing the company's 2015 high-end portfolio and we liked that it is Samsung's best effort in the UI department yet. In the performance department, the latest iteration of the UI has also scored numerous improvements and it's rather hard to deny these...
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30. techspace

Posts: 1037; Member since: Sep 03, 2012

Google doesn't really need someone to tech it how to implement the features in it's own OS, you can see many touchwiz features in newer versions of stock android without becoming resource hungry.

32. techspace

Posts: 1037; Member since: Sep 03, 2012

*without making them resource hungry.

42. Plume-Veil

Posts: 174; Member since: Nov 19, 2015

This is because of the update not being done on a clean install. Also Samsung phones have TouchWiz overlay on android which is a bit heavy. To make your phone fast do a full factory reset after taking a full data backup so that you can restore everything! Doing this would clean up any mess left behind by the update process. Always try and do a clean install for a major update.

46. techspace

Posts: 1037; Member since: Sep 03, 2012

Even the so called stock android in nexuses is built on top of AOSP with google services and launcher, but that doesn't make it a bit more resource hungry than the AOSP. Even nexus users don't do clean installs all the time. There are many custom ROMs that run even better than the version of android in nexuses, aren't they also modifying the same AOSP?

38. Plume-Veil

Posts: 174; Member since: Nov 19, 2015

am tired of these touchwiz stories that generalize all devices. I have a Note 3 and performance in an absolute bliss. Never had a single problem. Stable with no crashes, no lag when opening or switching between apps, etc. It gets even better when installing a custom ROM and kernel. But even stock is wonderful, once you change the launcher. Six months later, I've got more processes than I can remember on cache and over 12 xposed modules running, and lots of heavy modifications, and the thing is still blazing fast and works stutter free. For god's sake, I can run 8 applications in the same screen no problem, without noticeable stutters. And it still works fine when using quadview multiwindow. I don't know about the S5, but the Note 3 is just insanely powerful, at least my exynos version (before someone posts benchmarks, keep in mind the exynos version runs all 4 cores at any given time where the qualcomm Note 3 only runs one core for System UI processes to conserve battery, hence it's probably more prone to UI lag). Every day I get closer to just making a video of how it opens apps blazingly fast and how it doesn't break a sweat under heavy multiwindow multitasking. I might just do it soon because frankly, many people just seem to be talking out of their asses or generalizing too much. EDIT: I also have and have had multiple AOSP roms, so I'd notice a difference.

61. iushnt

Posts: 3060; Member since: Feb 06, 2013

Samsung doesn't know? Just because one unconfirmed rumor comes out, u dive too deep into it. TouchWiz is nicely optimized to give a great battery life, awesome standby time, great camera algorithm, better security. U sound a kind of Samsung Hater. And yes Note 5 works extremely well.

65. techspace

Posts: 1037; Member since: Sep 03, 2012

Everyone knows that it's a rumor, I have also used the word 'maybe'. I am not a Samsung hater, I love the edge, but it's true that touchwiz is nowhere near to stock android, stock android runs reasonably well even on devices with 512 mb ram...and samsung is not apple, they need to make many low end budget devices to survive. You can't show your note 5 and believe that touchwiz runs well on all kinds of devices.

13. jellmoo

Posts: 2531; Member since: Oct 31, 2011

Google has already done something similar with HTC on the release of the A9.

33. ibend

Posts: 6747; Member since: Sep 30, 2014

nope, google already supporting lots of nexus variant from various company, and android one from various small manufacture

5. MichiGo

Posts: 173; Member since: Sep 09, 2014

StockWhiz?

8. Ronnnie

Posts: 18; Member since: Nov 25, 2015

Samsung makes nice phones and have slowly been improving their software. Still Touchwiz is why I won't buy another Samsung phone. I had the Note 4 and the amount of lag present on that phone should never exist on a flagship device. Hopefully this means Samsung will finally get their act together and produce quality version of Android to go with their awesome hardware.

10. Hallyu

Posts: 790; Member since: Jul 21, 2015

Touchwiz is the better and more stable UI among non-stocked devices. It might not be pretty smooth like vanila from Google, but it's definitely better overall.

11. Wiencon

Posts: 2278; Member since: Aug 06, 2014

I dunno, you can get really every Touchwiz feature on rooted AOSP. I know some people aren't convinced towards rooting but it's a win win beetween smoothness and richness

26. tokuzumi

Posts: 1821; Member since: Aug 27, 2009

Rooted roms almost always have way more bugs and stability issues than stock roms. They run smoother overall, but there are always more force closes, memory leaks, and features that just don't work together with other features. Only rarely will a group put thought into their roms (such as CM, ParanoidAndroid, and AOKP). Plus, most devs just throw features in to have features. Certain features are great such as enabling tethering, and separating notification and ringtone volumes. But stock roms are usually much more stable, due to more extensive testing. We can thank the carriers for that.

62. iushnt

Posts: 3060; Member since: Feb 06, 2013

I have rooted. But the TouchWiz quality features aren't there. Also, when many features r added the battery gets worse than TouchWiz.

12. Plume-Veil

Posts: 174; Member since: Nov 19, 2015

Samsung you need to add more Ram for it to function smoothly. The more apps and features you activate, the more it will take up Ram, leaving no Ram for the phone function properly. The Touchwiz and Android are a heavy platform for the Cpu to push. Android was made for desktop, not for a phone. How stupid a mobile Cpu running on a desktop. Stupid.

14. jellmoo

Posts: 2531; Member since: Oct 31, 2011

No. No they don't. 3-4GB of RAM is plenty, even on TW devices. Adding more RAM wouldn't do much if anything when it comes to making the device "smoother".

37. Plume-Veil

Posts: 174; Member since: Nov 19, 2015

e an untouched (not de-bloated and not after you kill a bunch of background processes) S5 and look at the amount of available memory at any given time, its typically less than 500MB, likely it is closer to 300MB...Thats out of 2GB!! Thats insane. Then look at the amount of installed system apps (not user apps), there is roughly 300+ apps installed on a S5 or N4 out of the box with the vast majority of them being touchwiz apps and also being redundant. For example, a touchwiz keyboard and an AOSP keyboard, a touchwiz calendar and an AOSP calendar etc...There is a duplicate of every AOSP app and function on Galaxy devices. Then we have the Samsung cloud services constantly running in the background, checking your location, syncing your data, scanning for nearby devices, looking for updates etc...All the while there is also the AOSP account apps doing the same thing. Finally the logging, Samsung logs everything and sends that data back to Samsung constantly, where you are, your app usage, your online usage, error reports, crash reports etc.... No its not just "popular" to say touchwiz is bloated, its absolutely true. Touchwiz is unbelievably bloated to the point it cripples performance. --- I went outside once...the UI was horrible

45. jellmoo

Posts: 2531; Member since: Oct 31, 2011

Touchwiz *is* bloated, no disagreement there, I'm merely saying that more RAM isn't the solution. It's a band aid that treats the symptoms, not the problem, and doesn't treat it effectively.

63. iushnt

Posts: 3060; Member since: Feb 06, 2013

Do you know how RAM works? Unused RAM is wasted RAM. It's better the more it gets used. The less it's empty the faster the OS works. I disagree to many of your posts. HOWEVER, u r not the target market of Note or S series anymore

16. jellmoo

Posts: 2531; Member since: Oct 31, 2011

This is a great move by both parties. If they can manage to marry the feature set of TW with some of the smoothness of stock Android, it would be a serious win-win for consumers.

17. FluffyBled unregistered

I am still expecting a Samsung made Nexus 6 (Dreaming :S)!

19. combatmedic870

Posts: 982; Member since: Sep 02, 2015

I'd rather a Samsung made Nexus 5P. Imagine an S6 with no hardware buttons with front facing speakers, a SD 820, 4gb ram, USB-C, wireless charging, IR. I'd pay 6-700 for it. Yes

21. Ronnnie

Posts: 18; Member since: Nov 25, 2015

That's probably be more like what the 2016 nexus will be like. :)

22. FluffyBled unregistered

Rather the Exynos IMHO ... but well ... let's see what the future holds! And also google is very happy with LG making their Nexus 5, I doubt they would switch to another OEM for it!

27. combatmedic870

Posts: 982; Member since: Sep 02, 2015

I doubt you'll ever see a Exynos in a dev device. The SD's are ALOT more dev friendly. I really wish they would use someone else besides LG. Either Sony, or Samsung IMO.

35. cncrim

Posts: 1571; Member since: Aug 15, 2011

Then you will kiss good buy 500 price tag nor 600.

20. Taters

Posts: 6474; Member since: Jan 28, 2013

Meddling bosses and owners, in this case partner, never works. Touch wiz runs fantastic as is. Don't need any intrusions from Google. Seems like the GS7 is hitting all the wrong notes like the GS5 did.

24. RandyPhill

Posts: 2; Member since: Nov 25, 2015

Don't remove the multi user mode this time Samsung.

25. Odeira

Posts: 300; Member since: Jun 29, 2012

Probably Google will "nudge" Samsung to remove Multi Window. I mean, devices withOUT it have better significantly better RAM management, so to improve it it has to be completely axed, right?
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