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Quad-core Samsung Galaxy S III to score "superlative" benchmarks, but only in the global version

0. phoneArena posted on 19 Apr 2012, 04:26

We've seen the game before - Samsung using different processors for the same phone in different regions. We've seen it from others as well, like HTC with the "global" One X with quad-core Tegra 3, and the "local" with Snapdragon S4 for AT&T...

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posted on 19 Apr 2012, 08:28 1

36. kshell1 (Posts: 1143; Member since: 05 Oct 2011)

yeah the prime definately scores nearly twice as much as other dual core phones because it only supports 2 cores......

posted on 19 Apr 2012, 08:31 7

37. remixfa (Posts: 14604; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

there is no difference between multi core, dual core, and quad core.

once its updated to take care of multi cores, it can generally use any amount of cores you throw at it.

posted on 19 Apr 2012, 10:02 1

46. thelegend6657 (unregistered)

Means that S4 is just as fast as tegra 3 then why people on ATT are whinning about it ?

posted on 19 Apr 2012, 11:25 3

47. Hunt3rj2 (Posts: 396; Member since: 11 Nov 2011)

It can use any amount, except the problem is that a single core with higher per-core performance will still do better.

Supposing you have 2 faster cores and 4 slower cores that even out to have equal performance, you'd always want to have the two faster cores hands down.

Yes, applications can be made multithreaded. No, that doesn't mean that all applications are multithreaded. Programmers are human, and humans are single-core minds that do not multitask.

Exynos 5250 would definitely kick around the MSM8960 like Snapdragon S3 vs Exynos 4210, but the quad core Exynos A9 is much, much more shaky on this. Benchmarks might be worse for the Snapdragon S4, but real life performance will most likely be identical for CPU.

Most likely though, quad core Exynos' GPU will trash both Tegra 3 and MSM8960. Such is life.

posted on 19 Apr 2012, 15:58 3

60. remixfa (Posts: 14604; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

I dont know where you make your assumptions from but they are silly. in real life benchmarks the s4 just BARELY beats out the Note equipped exynos. samsung themselves has promised a nearly 100% power increase with the 4212 quad core. hell the 4212 dual core gets 40%+ more power than the 4210.
the a15 5250 dual core is supposed to be the same power wise as the quad.

either way, if it comes even 60% close to Samsungs claim.. it obliterates the S4.

I realize u love qualcomm but don't lie to yourself. the s4 is fine but it is no exynos.

on a side note I got the OneS in store today. its pretty slick. the s4 showed no signs of stutter even after I loaded every page with Widgets.
my only real annoyance with it is the button configuration.. I use voice commands way too much and the menu button is all over the place. the dedicated multitasking button is a waist of space.

posted on 19 Apr 2012, 18:32

65. Hunt3rj2 (Posts: 396; Member since: 11 Nov 2011)

http://www.theverge.com/2012/1/23/2722302/samsung- galaxy-note-review

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5559/qualcomm-snapdr agon-s4-krait-performance-preview-msm8960-adreno-2 25-benchmarks/2

http://androidcommunity.com/qualcomm-snapdragon-s4 -krait-benchmarks-round-1-20120229/

Sunspider of Note: 3053ms
Sunspider of Krait: 1532ms

Quadrant of Note: 3818
Quadrant of Krait: 5531

I've given my evidence, where is yours? You also have to keep in mind that per-core IPC will always be lower, and that even when programs are multi-threaded, that doesn't mean they will be able to fully load all 4 cores. Fully optimized MSM8960 will be a match for the Exynos 4412.

I'm not even going to bother talking about the Exynos 5250 as it's late to the game and it will most definitely use much more power than Krait as a result of it's incredibly wide pipeline. Yes, the 5250 will probably blow away everything on the market. No, it will not be kind on batteries. There is a reason why ARM is pushing big.LITTLE tech with Cortex A15.

I don't "love" Qualcomm, Snapdragon S3 was an obvious stopgap SoC slapped together to compete with Cortex A9. S4 is clearly Qualcomm getting back into the game.

The dedicated multitasking button is Google's problem, not HTC's. That's just a consequence of their decisions. I do know that it's completely possible to fix this with custom ROMs though, where long-hold home is the multitask, and the original multi-task button is the menu button, and the software button is removed.

posted on 20 Apr 2012, 08:09

73. remixfa (Posts: 14604; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

use reviews from the s4 version of the oneX.. not the preproduction controlled tests on an unrealistic reference device. nice try we've already had that conversation. and when your done.. take out the I/O fluff scores from both.

posted on 20 Apr 2012, 11:07

77. Hunt3rj2 (Posts: 396; Member since: 11 Nov 2011)

The AT&T OneX gets around 4952 in Quadrant with preproduction software(No optimization):http://www.androidauthority.com/htc-one-xl-benchmark-snapdragon-s4-tegra-3-67678/

posted on 19 Apr 2012, 18:37

66. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5713; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)

yeah, i don't much care for the ICS layout either. that's another reason why i like the Droid Razr with ICS than the Galaxy Nexus.

posted on 19 Apr 2012, 06:49

27. GuiltyBystander (Posts: 199; Member since: 05 Mar 2012)

The disagree is from me :).

posted on 19 Apr 2012, 06:50 4

28. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)

"...quad cores will be no better than single core unless someone programs the app to better utilise all 4."

If you are talking about single application utilising multi-core CPU, then yes, you are right, but if we are talking about multitasking, multi-core CPU is still better, because in this case it doesn't matter if application can utilise multi-core CPU, int this case it depends on OS.

posted on 19 Apr 2012, 07:00

29. RaKithAPeiRiZ (Posts: 1488; Member since: 29 Dec 2011)

go back to your Lumia 800

posted on 19 Apr 2012, 09:03

39. GENARAL.LEVY (banned) (Posts: 93; Member since: 17 Apr 2012)

ICS should take care ov that.

posted on 19 Apr 2012, 06:19 2

18. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)

@Cyan - did you click on the wrong thread? This is about the Sammy GSIII, not the xBox.

posted on 19 Apr 2012, 06:20

20. Guest_star (Posts: 231; Member since: 30 Dec 2011)

i highly doubt that it will have 1080p RGB screen although that would be mind blowingly awesome but 720p is good as well as long as it is RGB :D

and one more thing, I think why exynos does so good on benchmarks and real life performance is because it is touchwiz optimised , touchwiz doesnt run so good and fluent on other SoC...

posted on 19 Apr 2012, 07:24 1

32. thelegend6657 (unregistered)

What's wrong with a pentile screen ?
Pentile is brighter and uses less energy
By hd resolution I dont think pentile screen will looks crappy

posted on 19 Apr 2012, 06:27 2

22. medicci37 (Posts: 1331; Member since: 19 Nov 2011)

Hope this rumor isn't true. If so, I will wait for the Note 2.

posted on 19 Apr 2012, 14:16

56. khanmhsn (Posts: 25; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)

thats awesome avatar you have there........

posted on 19 Apr 2012, 06:37 3

24. Jericho (unregistered)

OverRated phone with samsung star ui.

posted on 19 Apr 2012, 16:28

63. Commentator (Posts: 3722; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)

I'll agree on the UI part, but I can't really agree that the number one handset producer in terms of sales over the last year "sucks."

posted on 19 Apr 2012, 07:11

30. idanielx (banned) (Posts: 22; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)

What the bloody hell...

posted on 19 Apr 2012, 07:27

33. jabberwocky (Posts: 89; Member since: 21 Feb 2012)

I guess I don't understand why Samsung would have to do this. My impression was that T3 did not play nice with LTE and therefore they had to swap it out for S4 (with built-in LTE) in order to accommodate our wireless standard.

As far as I can tell, Samsung has always had to pair radios with its solutions, and their current top end processors work fine with it. Why would they get thrown off that for LTE?


posted on 19 Apr 2012, 07:44

34. linas_ltu (Posts: 32; Member since: 19 Apr 2012)

here we come... since i am coming to us and wish to buy a smartphone here, I cant buy a quad-core version!!! The same as last year when i was waiting for galaxy s2 in the us.

posted on 19 Apr 2012, 08:15 3

35. remixfa (Posts: 14604; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

there is no need for 1080p. your eyes wont see a difference. it will just hog up huge amounts of bandwith, so id put that rumor square in the "unlikely" category

i dont know about you guys, but im not so worried about this rumor. the only reason that samsung went with the S3 for the american versions of the SGS2 is because the exynos chip could not do LTE or HSPA+42, which were big things for the american carriers. The 4212 and 5250 chips are set up to do that with ease.

With any luck.. IF there is truth to the rumor, the world edition will be the quad 4212, and the american edition will be the dual 5250 A15. They run at about the same performance, but the 5250 should get better battery life. They've been sampling dual core 5250's for a few months now i think so, it could happen.

posted on 19 Apr 2012, 09:22 3

41. Commentator (Posts: 3722; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)

You're relying on an awful lot of "any luck" there, and if it were the case, we can't expect to see the American SGSIII until at least August. I'd love to get a Samsung Galaxy S III Epic Touch 4G LTE Superstar Unicorn, or whatever it'll be called, but my obliterated Evo 4G has 2 feet in the grave, and rumor has it that the Evo 4G LTE is up for a May 18 release (according to an article on PhoneDog, anyways.) I have half a mind to go out and get a Galaxy Nexus in a couple days when that's released, actually.

posted on 19 Apr 2012, 11:26

48. Hunt3rj2 (Posts: 396; Member since: 11 Nov 2011)

I personally wouldn't expect Cortex A15 in devices until 2013.

posted on 19 Apr 2012, 12:07 2

52. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4888; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)

I am not so sure anymore. Meizu is releasing the world’s first Exynos 4212 quad-core phone. That leads me to believe that the Exynos 5250 dual-core will be saved for their flagship device, the Samsung Galaxy S III.

It would make no sense for Samsung to make their flagship phone just as powerful as Meizu's phone. Samsung wants the best for themselves so that is why I am starting to believe the Samsung Galaxy S III will be the world’s first A-15 powered phone with its 32nm Exynos 5250 dual-core!

posted on 20 Apr 2012, 01:10

70. Hunt3rj2 (Posts: 396; Member since: 11 Nov 2011)

You would be right, except the Meizu MX dual core version had a 1.4 GHz Exynos before the Note.

I really would love to see the Exynos 5250 in the SGS3, but it sounds like everyone is struggling to get it to work. Even Apple is probably not going to have Cortex A15 in their iPhone 5...

posted on 20 Apr 2012, 09:31

76. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4888; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)

Yeah but that was the same Exynos that was on the Samsung Galaxy S II just with a higher clock to 1.4GHz. That is easy to do.

The Meizu is getting the NEW quad-core Exynos 4212 before even Samsung puts it in on any of their devices. That is a totally different thing than what you stated.

I feel like the A-15 dual-core Exynos 5250 will be on the Samsung Galaxy S III because Samsung wants their best on their hardware. Since Samsung gave Meizu the honor of having the Exynos 4212 before Samsung is only pointing to the strong possibility of the Samsung Galaxy S III having the Exynos 5250 A-15 dual-core.

This my opinion, thought I think it to be VERY plausible!

posted on 20 Apr 2012, 11:19

78. remixfa (Posts: 14604; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

that would be awesome but Sammy has said multiple times that the A15 is going to tablets before phones since the GPU is much stronger on the A15. they also said to expect the A15 commercially around Q3.

lets hope they release that tablet the day before the sgs3 so both Can be A15, and Sammy can stick to their word about which came first while surprising us with an early release.. ;)

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