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Photo contest against the Nokia Lumia 920 shows how the Galaxy S III and iPhone 4S shoot in the dark

0. phoneArena posted on 06 Sep 2012, 03:32

The Finns had staged an impromptu studio yesterday, where you try and shoot a barely visible vase, which is just sitting in the dark across a peephole. The Nokia Lumia 920 was used in the video below to snap a photo of the vase, followed by the Samsung Galaxy S III and the iPhone 4S, both of which fared much worse capturing the object at hand...

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posted on 06 Sep 2012, 04:04 1

30. sophara (Posts: 3; Member since: 27 Aug 2012)

dont test with sony?

posted on 06 Sep 2012, 04:14

33. CanYouSeeTheLight (Posts: 1122; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)

PhoneArena you clearly state in the article " whose quality is boosted by many element not present on other phones" and one of the features you said is indeed present on another phone.. The large f/2.0 is also present on the HTC One X.

posted on 06 Sep 2012, 04:19 4

35. RapidCat (Posts: 351; Member since: 12 Jun 2012)

In my opinion . Lumia already take photo when focusing using flash. And bring the light into the final image

posted on 06 Sep 2012, 04:27 3

37. p0rkguy (Posts: 685; Member since: 23 Nov 2010)

Thank you, finally someone who understands.

It's a cheap gimmick where it already has the image saved after the initial flash then another shot without flash to try and cancel out the light.
Pause it at :40 then :43.

posted on 06 Sep 2012, 05:47

53. poddey (Posts: 77; Member since: 22 Mar 2012)

Yeah I think so to. You can tell because the photo from the 920 is nice and bright in the middle (where the LED flash lights up the most) and gradually fades to darkness towards the edges of the photo.

Nokia's "floating lens" would still help to improve the photo by stabilising the shot and allowing more light in through the large aperture but really they should be comparing shots with flash turned on on the other phones to even things up.

Doing the comparison the way they were doing it was sneaky and puts another black mark against them in my book (the first one was where they faked the video of the girl riding the bike).

posted on 06 Sep 2012, 04:25 1

36. rgxVOiD (Posts: 440; Member since: 30 Aug 2012)

Is there's a reason that Sony's Exmor R wasn't tested?

posted on 06 Sep 2012, 04:45

41. yatmiko (Posts: 37; Member since: 13 Dec 2011)

use flash sure can get the good picture lah...
Scroll the video to 0:40 then you will know the trick... :)

posted on 06 Sep 2012, 04:50

42. aokde (Posts: 186; Member since: 09 Jul 2012)

that is pretty awesome nokia! BUT, why not also include sony's phones? with the EXMOR RS sensor??? i know they will produce the same quality (if not better)

posted on 06 Sep 2012, 04:52

43. kamil (Posts: 118; Member since: 07 Feb 2012)

this camera bsi sensor vs sony exmor r sensor

posted on 06 Sep 2012, 04:53

44. lumialove (Posts: 75; Member since: 16 May 2012)

the F/2.0 aperture is the lowest found any smartphone. Think of aperture as how “open” a lens can get—the more open, the more light comes in. That’s crucial as light is what camera’s crave and is the key to getting a good image. You want to buy an expensive lens for your DSLR? Search for one with an F/1.4 aperture—basically the lower the number, the better. Reaching F/2.0 on a camera-phone is a pretty big deal, make no mistake about it. It will also greatly help to make your photos better as the shutter speed can go faster.

back-side illuminated sensors (BSI) —it’s what is found on the iPhone, Titan II and many Samsung phones. It puts the wires behind the sensor, allowing more light to be received and once again, making brighter photos. We’ve wanted Nokia to do this for a very long time and now they have.

The Lumia 900, Lumia 920 and 808 PureView

Sensor size is also crucial. Here, the bigger the better and the fact is, most smartphones have tiny sensors. Why do some “pro” DSLRs cost so much? It’s because they have a giant sensor (it’s also why they’re so big). The Lumia 920 sports a 1/1.4” sensor that beats many phones who roll with a smaller 1/2.5”. That brings us to megapixels…

Photographers hate megapixel discussions because it’s all consumers focus on, instead of all of the above. It’s often the least important aspect as those pixels won’t improve your photo much. It’s good for cropping, yes, but other than that?

Nokia said they could have added more than the 8MP to that 1/1.4” sensor, as some of their competitors have on their devices. But as we mentioned last night, jamming more megapixels on a sensor can have negative consequences, like reduce image quality. The more pixels on a sensor, the more light you need to illuminate them all. In turn, cameras with high megapixel count tend to have worse low-light performance. That’s right folks, putting 16MP or 32MP into a camera can be a bad thing, especially if it’s on a small sensor.

No, Nokia took the good route here—the one that photographers would have preferred: larger, BSI sensor with less megapixels so there is less noise in low light conditions.

Throw in their whole “Floating lens”, which is a mechanical form of image stabilization (aka better than software based) and we’re talking a whole new category of a camera phone. I'VE seen some of the images and so far, I really like what we see. Expect more in the future

posted on 06 Sep 2012, 14:46

71. housecat (Posts: 8; Member since: 06 Sep 2012)

The 920 sports a 1/3" sensor, not 1/1.4". You'll get less blurry low light pics, but they'll still be noisy.

posted on 06 Sep 2012, 05:24

50. Suts_97 (Posts: 124; Member since: 05 May 2012)

Now I dare to say that this would be much better than the LG Optimus G in the camera department, just a guess though.

posted on 06 Sep 2012, 06:20 2

57. groupsacc (Posts: 232; Member since: 28 Feb 2012)

My HTC Nexus and Galaxy S2 can produce this photo with HDR Camera.

posted on 08 Sep 2012, 02:29

79. Suts_97 (Posts: 124; Member since: 05 May 2012)

I don't think so, HDR Camera and the likes of it are just like after effects to a photo that your sensor captures...You can't take a photo like this with the aid of any apps when your sensor is not capable of capturing it with a good quality.

posted on 06 Sep 2012, 06:24 1

58. SamsungFan (Posts: 201; Member since: 16 Apr 2012)

Nokia f**k

posted on 06 Sep 2012, 07:15

61. nadun_SL (Posts: 3; Member since: 05 Sep 2012)

who wont turn the flash on when taking these kind of pictures? its just a small improvement on nokia's auto focusing.

posted on 06 Sep 2012, 07:36

63. RobotMan (Posts: 145; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)

After seeing the video, it more in the software then the hardware. When he focus using preflash, you can see the image become still, that mean the software record the image then when you take the image, it joint together like HDR.

posted on 06 Sep 2012, 07:51

64. cyborg009 (Posts: 115; Member since: 17 Sep 2011)

Amazed !!!

posted on 06 Sep 2012, 08:06 1

65. phitch (Posts: 214; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)

Really, people saying it isn't with a flash, are you blind to the obvious fact that there is a source light in the final picture? It clearly is taking photos during the "focus" part. the way lowlight imaging works is by taking in as much light as possible, it doesn't magically illuminate one spot. Stop pretending that this is some revolutionary new trick, it isn't. It is simply HDR called pure-view.

If you can see the entire image as one general level of brightness -- that is a better exposure. If you see on spot that is well lit, that is the use of a flash. If you don't want to believe it fine, but unless you have some sound explanation as to how the single spot of illumination appears in a circle behind one spot on the photo I would love to hear it.

posted on 06 Sep 2012, 09:26

67. rsiders (Posts: 1099; Member since: 17 Nov 2011)

I just bought the Nikon Coolpix L810 and you have to manually pop up the flash. In low light situations such as this, it does the same thing but with infrared light to focus and take the best picture possible. The people whining about this incredible feature are idiots. And T-Mobile is an idiot if they settle for the 820 instead of stepping up and grabbing the best for once.

posted on 06 Sep 2012, 11:07

68. jamvts (Posts: 14; Member since: 27 Jan 2012)

!! what the FCUK is this ??? what this video is for ..... lumia taking photos with flash on others with flash off????..... and you are doing comparisons? where is s3 taking photo here? its just already done and ready to show. nokia thinks consumers are idiots and will believe them.excuse me !!!!!

how can you cheat again nokia ..... shame on you ! really

posted on 07 Sep 2012, 01:45

72. jshan (Posts: 200; Member since: 25 Dec 2011)

It's a totally mad comparison . Apple is the best in smartphone world. If we having a flasher on our canera then y should v try to take photos without flasher in dark captures ???? And even Nokia using the flash while focusing the scene but iPhone and sgs3 not. Its like searching for something while we closing our eyes. Isn't it ? LOL .. But that lumia phone ,, it looks like its a nice hit by Nokia from a long time.. But not like the apple .. We all should think and know that if there is no apple. We still won't own like these smartphones. May b we are still looking for Nokia N SIERIES or someTHING LIKE THAT.. Sgs3 ...???

posted on 07 Sep 2012, 15:46

75. davor (Posts: 1; Member since: 07 Sep 2012)

We’ve got a mind blowing things to attempt with your iPhone, a large number of which you weren’t savvy to.

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