PhoneArena Awards 2012: Best Innovation

We have to admit it, folks, we aren't that easy to impress. We are a well-trained team of geeks that has laid hands on much more phones than an average Joe can even name. Simply put, we've all been there and we've all done that, as far as phones are concerned. Every once in a while, however, a new product or technology gets announced - something that really make us go "wow". And today, we'll talk about several such solutions: this year's PhoneArena awards begin with the Best Innovation category...
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339 Comments

188. samystic

Posts: 242; Member since: Mar 25, 2012

innovation is bringing something new to masses... evolution is upgrading existing things... that is layman's understanding of these terms... and since 808 not just has 41 MP sensor, it also has other technology which has been never used before... so yes it is an innovation

210. kickgolfer

Posts: 69; Member since: Dec 03, 2012

This Sammy troll rocks the iphone.

34. nerd_of_the_street

Posts: 6; Member since: Dec 03, 2012

for me innovation is: introducing something remarkeble and leaving your competitor far behind. those S-features are mehhhh, nothing special bout it... partly sofware gimmick but a 41mpx is mind blowing comparing to the average 5-8mpx from competitor

74. jroc74

Posts: 6023; Member since: Dec 30, 2010

If thats the case, you would agree with me that the Samsung projector phone shoulda been #1. To me improved camera technology is....meh. Thats called progress. How many other phones have a built in projector?

75. chaoticrazor

Posts: 2347; Member since: Aug 28, 2012

no the projector should be #2 the camera tech your saying meh too is years ahead of the competition.

76. jroc74

Posts: 6023; Member since: Dec 30, 2010

Again, what other phone has a built in projector? How many phones have cameras? If we are talking about innovation, to me a very unique feature out weighs an improved feature. And PA said its done well in that Samsung phone. Like how many ppl felt the Retina Display was sooo innovative. But when Android and Win Mo phones had higher screen res than the iPhone 3G, 3GS, it was no big deal. Thats not innovation, thats progress.

79. chaoticrazor

Posts: 2347; Member since: Aug 28, 2012

how many phones have loseless zoom and oversampling just been unique isnt enough it has to be a leap forward aswell to be #1. pureview takes mobile camera's forward by a big way. why are you pushing so hard for something samsung to be top, the projector never really caught on either its still in its infancy. and before anyone says it i would love a good projector phone but right now there not ready for the mainstream

82. jroc74

Posts: 6023; Member since: Dec 30, 2010

Why am I pushing so hard? Its called an opinion. Why are you pushing hard for something Nokia to be top? Its called an opinion. And in my opinion.....the projector phone was a bigger leap than the camera technology in the Nokia phone. PA even mentioned it was done well. See, just because it didnt catch on doesnt mean it wasnt innovative. Popularity doesnt mean more or less innovative. We just have different opinions of whats innovative.

85. chaoticrazor

Posts: 2347; Member since: Aug 28, 2012

''PA even mentioned it was done well'' well P.A said the 808 was more innovative, so why will you accept they said the projector was done well but wont accept the 808 is more innovative when they say mainly though the 808 was something that pushed boundaries and set the bar for mobile camera's. it amazed alot of people too with the 41mp sensor the projector phone is a great concept but needs more work to be what it undoubtably can be.

103. jroc74

Posts: 6023; Member since: Dec 30, 2010

No, I cant accept it....because I dont think its more innovative than a projector in a phone....lol. I agree with some of the article, not all of it.

292. lolol

Posts: 64; Member since: Nov 14, 2012

lol jroc74 , who uses a projector more than a camera on a phone? you really havent used a pureview camera.. beam might be innovation for you, but i guess a majority loves a good camera like pureview.. even surveys show that 85% of smartphone users use the camera the most.

309. jroc74

Posts: 6023; Member since: Dec 30, 2010

Again, not talking whats used the most. Just what I feel is more innovative. I feel a unique feature is more innovative than an improved one.

312. chaoticrazor

Posts: 2347; Member since: Aug 28, 2012

losless zoom, over sampling and almost noiseless photos not unique? the fact your phone can take full res 34 and 38mp photo's not unique? having a 41mp sensor on your phone not unique? the fact even with that big sensor its still not about the megapixel count its how it uses them. been the best cameraphone and by miles not innovative enough? just accept what many others admit the 808 is innovation and will hopefully pave the way for even more advances in mobile camera tech (started with the 920 already). this isnt just a one off innovation its started a chain of what could be incredible mobile cameras

313. jroc74

Posts: 6023; Member since: Dec 30, 2010

Thats all well n good....but its not more unique than a projector in a phone. Name another phone that has a projector in it. Now name another phone that has a camera in it.

314. chaoticrazor

Posts: 2347; Member since: Aug 28, 2012

yeah there are other projector phones, most been chinese unknown things but they exist. Spice M9000 Popkorn Micromax X40 theres 2 for you, so blows your unique argument out the water. now you name another phone with lossless zoom, and oversampling. or another phone capable of taking full res 34-38mp photo's i shall wait for your response lol

315. jroc74

Posts: 6023; Member since: Dec 30, 2010

Camera vs projector: Better camera specs...evolution 400x800 screen res vs 1080p screen res....evolution single core cpu vs dual core cpu...evolution Projector....unique. We are never gonna see eye to eye on this... You are speaking of improved specs.. . Those phones you listed....have never heard of them. And most ppl havent. The specs you listed for the camera.....never in a phone....but in cameras. Unique. I will stick to the projector shoulda been #1 vs improved camera specs.

319. chaoticrazor

Posts: 2347; Member since: Aug 28, 2012

ok now your just ignoring the fact i proved your precious projector phone isnt unique and been a petty crying fanboy the fact you still think its unique shows you never read my comment, instead you just thumbed me down and repeated yourself. you havent answered anything put to you one more time slowly for your little mind lossless zoom on a phone-unique oversampling on a phone- unique able to take 34-38mp full res photo's on a phone- unique a 41mp sensor on a phone-unique and still pretty unbelievable this is beyond evolution, its unique and as you seem to think unique is key then ive proved the pureview is number 1 on the list and rightly so now your projector phone here are 2 other projector phones: Spice M9000 Popkorn Micromax X40 so your precious phone isnt unique are you getting it now?

322. jroc74

Posts: 6023; Member since: Dec 30, 2010

1080p screen in TV's.... now in phones.....screens were 400x800 in phones.....innovation or evolution Improved camera tech in cameras.... now in phones.....innovation or evolution. Single core, dual core, quad core in PC's...now in phones...phones had single core now are up to quad core....innovation or evolution. Whatever you feel is innovation...you will always pick that.Thats fine. Projector in a phone.....innovation or evolution. I even gave you a legitimate reason why we dont agree on this....and you dont accept that and you opinion just has to be right and resort to name calling...classic. If it wil make you feel better, the projector isnt innovative and PureView is. Happy now? BTW....fanboys resort to name calling....in case you didnt know.

323. jroc74

Posts: 6023; Member since: Dec 30, 2010

What I'm about to do is show you why someone might not agree with this....please pay attention. (I wasnt gonna stoop to your level of name calling and condescending....but whatever, dont care now. Do you even know what condescending means....probably not. ) "one more time slowly for your little mind lossless zoom on a phone-unique oversampling on a phone- unique able to take 34-38mp full res photo's on a phone- unique a 41mp sensor on a phone-unique and still pretty unbelievable this is beyond evolution, its unique and as you seem to think unique is key then ive proved the pureview is number 1 on the list and rightly so" Now watch what happens when someone doesnt agree with this.....slowly for you.... Lossless zoom.....but wasnt...zoom....already in camera phones? A great majority of them? So...introduce lossless and now all of a sudden its a great thing? If thats what you feel, so be it. Oversampling.....isnt that like a camera feature....like zoom, grey scale, white balance, mega pixel size, etc. You obviously didnt read my post that mentioned that. Take a higher resolution picture on a phone and better camera lense...wasnt this done thru the years? On lots of phones? Did it get better from the beginning of phones, smartphones, yes or no? Thats why I call all that evolution, not innovation. Just my opinion, no need for name calling. Projector on a phone......you mention 2 obscure phones. Samsung did it right. Thats why I call that innovation. Learn to understand....ppl that dont agree with you arent fanboys. For the umpteenth time...slowely....I...dont ....even ......like ....Samsung ....phones...Talking strictly about whats more innovative. You feel its the Nokia camera, I feel its the projector in a phone. We can agree to disagree. But you have some very fanboyish ways....look in the mirror before salling someone lese a fanboy or troll.

324. jroc74

Posts: 6023; Member since: Dec 30, 2010

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/03/innovation-or-hype-ars-examines-nokias-41-megapixel-smartphone-camerainnovation-or-hype-ars-examines-nokias-41-megapixel-smartphone-camera/ Please read this article and especially the comment sections. I'm not the only one who feels this way. Its called ....an....opinion..... Key comment: BottledCello wrote: Quote: we believe all camera makers should consider oversampling as an integral part of future camera designs Um, Isn't that what most camera makers already do when you select a lower-than-max resolution? To the best of my knowledge, more or less. What they don't do is design around the idea of capturing at a lower-than-max resolution as the *default use case*. THIS is why I call it evolution.....and not innovation.

316. jroc74

Posts: 6023; Member since: Dec 30, 2010

You are speaking about improved specs...I'm speaking of an entire spec all its own. Zoom exists in camera phones, losses didnt. Oversampling.....might as well lump that in with white balance, cropping, grey scale, etc.

317. jroc74

Posts: 6023; Member since: Dec 30, 2010

I think whats happening....you must value the camera features in a phone. Or you may choose/not choose a phone based on the camera. I dont. The camera is the least used feature on my phones. If thats the case.....this will be a never ending argument.

318. jroc74

Posts: 6023; Member since: Dec 30, 2010

Like I said....do we say single core vs dual core vs quad core is innovative vs a projector in a phone? Do we say 400x800 vs 1080p screen res is innovative vs a projector in a phone? You keep mentioning improved specs....I'm talking about an entire feature. We have different ideas of whats innovative in this case. It is what it is.

320. chaoticrazor

Posts: 2347; Member since: Aug 28, 2012

mate last time as your so dense its unbelievable the projector phone isnt unique so it slams your whole point. you really love the projector phone dont you, even android fans have admitted the 808 wins this. your a seriously bad fanboy if you can just accept it. you cant even put a reasonable case together for your point its just senseless dribble

321. jroc74

Posts: 6023; Member since: Dec 30, 2010

Dude....stop labeling everybody a fanboy because they dont agree with you. The more you post....the more fanboyish you look. You ignore why I think you say the camera in the Nokia is best innovation and why I think the projector is best innovation. I have never used either.....its all opinion. Yours will never change, mine will never change. I dont have to be a fanboy becuse I dont agree with you. Learn what an actual debate is....then we can talk.

325. chaoticrazor

Posts: 2347; Member since: Aug 28, 2012

ok lets end you for good as your just as dense as usual first the innovation ''debate'' that you couldnt hold up in and failed at bringing real basis to your comments. your whole underlining point was its unique. i proved there were other phones that do the same and you ignored this and repeated yourself. you basically then spat your dummy out as you were proved wrong and now are trying to pull something back. your very transparent. second you never stated it as your opinion instead you flooded the comment section stating it was fact the projector phone is more an innovation. if you do this be prepared to be questioned and debated. cant handle it dont state obvious nonsense. in the end i basically showed why the 808 won and your projector phone did not (apart from the fact it was the first). you just couldnt admit you were wrong to say about it been unique. you just ignored the parts that proved you wrong....thats what fanboys do so when you can have a real debate and not throw your dummy out when you are proved wrong please come back with something that has a real basis. until then how about you try and be open minded and give credit where its due

328. jroc74

Posts: 6023; Member since: Dec 30, 2010

You fail to acknoledge why I thin the projector is..... more ........unique..... I have....constantly......stated it was my opinion....what the hell are ytou reading, or not reading??? I see what this is.....you live to be right in the internet....lol. Wow... Have a good day.....I dont indulge fanboys. And right on cue....the name calling and talking down. You win...happy now? I bet you didnt even read that Ars article I posted...lol.

329. chaoticrazor

Posts: 2347; Member since: Aug 28, 2012

No you keep on moving the goal posts, since I proved its not unique your now saying more unique lol tragic mate Your the fan boy and a real bad one at that. And there's no win, did you see this as a competition sad . You still haven't answered anything I put to you. Have a good one try to learn how to answer what's asked of you next time

330. jroc74

Posts: 6023; Member since: Dec 30, 2010

I said you win, you should be happy. You win, you win, you win, give it a rest aleady. Nokia's camera is the best innovation of all time....projectors in a phone suck. You are not a fanboy, you are the best person in the world. You proved me wrong, you proved everything right. See? This is called moving on. You win...this is my cue to unfollow from this article....and I know in the future whenever I see you post....what to do.....

331. jroc74

Posts: 6023; Member since: Dec 30, 2010

For the record...I did answer your questions....you are just turning a blind eye to what I posted....thats what fanboys do. I even gave you evidence why ppl would think the Nokia camera isnt all that innovative vs a projector in a phone. We will never agree on this matter.....but I'm a fanboy because I dont agree with you. .. WOW .You are either real young.....or need to learn what a debate, opinion is. I ...never...called you names....never talked down to you until you did. You are a seriously delusional fanboy. But I know how to handle folks like you. I see why you are acting the way you are now....you have that Nokia phone.....lol I never had that Samsung projector phone. Now....whose the fanboy....lol.

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