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Patently ridiculous: Apple applies for iOS face unlock patent

0. phoneArena posted on 29 Dec 2011, 12:54

This isn't the first time we've seen it from any tech company, let alone Apple, and it probably won't be the last, but Apple has put in an application to patent a technology which some of us are already using: face unlock...

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posted on 29 Dec 2011, 12:59 41

1. israelian (Posts: 12; Member since: 15 Dec 2011)

Apple, stop making s**tty steps! The world'd be fine even if without you.

posted on 29 Dec 2011, 14:59 6

29. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)

I seem to recall a similar function being part of Android ICS. I guess Apple doesn't care if their patent is invalid before it has even been awarded.

posted on 29 Dec 2011, 15:56 7

39. ReturningToNokia (Posts: 130; Member since: 09 Jul 2011)

Umm...Apple applied/filed the patent in June 2010. ICS was just released a few weeks ago.

Besides, if Google doesn't have a patent on it, why shouldn't another company file for their implementation of the technology?

posted on 29 Dec 2011, 16:53 5

43. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)

And I suppose there was zero development time involved with the facial recognition function in ICS? BTW, for Apple's application to not be subject to an invalidity challenge, there must be no publication of algorithms for facial recognition prior to the filing date.... I rather doubt that test will be met.

posted on 29 Dec 2011, 17:22 4

46. ReturningToNokia (Posts: 130; Member since: 09 Jul 2011)

Then Google should have filed for the patent while this was in development, or once their development was completed. What is so difficult about filing a patent? It's seems others do it quite well; why not Google?

posted on 29 Dec 2011, 17:26 7

47. sgogeta4 (Posts: 394; Member since: 02 Feb 2011)

You clearly do not understand anything regarding Google's open source stance. While Apple filed the patent a while ago, none of their products currently use it...

posted on 29 Dec 2011, 22:02 1

64. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)

> And I suppose there was zero development time involved with the facial recognition function in ICS?

This coming from Droid_x_Doug (the same guy who was beating his chest exclaiming that ATT will engage in a hostile takeover of TMobile USA).

The US patent law has changed -- now, the basic rule is first to file versus the the prior doctrine of first to invent.

posted on 30 Dec 2011, 00:24

73. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)

Ah... haven't you requested PA to change your ID to strident1, yet?

BTW, do you know anything about invalidity? Even under first to file, if publication of the underlying principle occurred more than 1 year prior to the filing, the patent's validity is still open to challenge. Facial recognition has been 'out' for way more than a year before 2010.

If you need a referral to competent patent counsel to explain the concept, I can give you one.

posted on 29 Dec 2011, 16:02 4

40. quakan (Posts: 1398; Member since: 02 Mar 2011)

It's the patent office fault. I bet what they do is look through their database and see if something is already patented and if they don't see it, they just award to the first bidder. They should hire some techies in that office so they can actually show them what could actually be patentable. I love apple products but even i agree that these vague patents are ridiculous.

posted on 31 Dec 2011, 00:54

87. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)

apple applied for this patent in june of 2010.. it only recently became public... how is that in violation of android? which recently only came out a month ago? yes they acquired a company before, but if we are being true and just, did google do any of the work that apple did?

posted on 29 Dec 2011, 13:09 11

2. Slammer (Posts: 1515; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)

----"Either way, there is no reasonable way that this patent should be granted, but no one ever said the USPTO was a reasonable organization, and it certainly wouldn't be the first time Apple or any other company were granted a patent for something that already exists."----

I agree totally!

If technology proves anything, it does not like to be stifled. It needs to advance by way of leapfrogging on one great idea and move it forward. It does NOT take kindly to being controlled so no other can capitalize on it.

Touch Gestures, Face recognition etc, are all technological inventions or discoveries that benefit all of society. It should remain open to every single individual regardless what product or company they choose.

Just as Linux has benefit the computer industry. It is imperative that the patent office reviews technological and scientific innovations with care. One controlling entity will provoke a severe slow down, or worse yet, a stale-mate in moving forward.

John B.

posted on 29 Dec 2011, 13:15 25

4. mukrenol (Posts: 92; Member since: 03 Sep 2011)

this proves that apple is not innovative as before
just find competitor's technology and has been using it for a bit then claimed as their own

cheap apple you are just cheap right now

posted on 29 Dec 2011, 13:26 21

5. ZayZay (Posts: 571; Member since: 26 Feb 2011)

Can't teach an old OS new tricks, unless you sue for those new tricks!

posted on 29 Dec 2011, 13:32 20

6. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4888; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)

Apple sees a good thing & does 1 of 2 things.

#1) They try to patent the technology.


#2) If the patent doesn't work then they buy the tech or company outright.

Apple to me seems to have lost its edge. They clearly don't innovate like they once did & are now releasing sub-par products like the HUGELY underwhelming iPhone 4S. This is just a sad state of affairs for Apple. Their magic is fizzling away & soon people will notice. If Apple doesn't shape up, this could be the beginning of a RIM like fall for them.

Apple needs to do more than rest on its laurels.

posted on 29 Dec 2011, 13:37 5

8. ZayZay (Posts: 571; Member since: 26 Feb 2011)

Let me be the first to say this before any iphone lovers say it.

NO NO NO NO you suck, android sucks!

So since everyone read that, this closes the need to input opinions right here from iphone lovers.

Have a good day.

posted on 29 Dec 2011, 13:45 6

16. fost4real (Posts: 27; Member since: 29 Dec 2011)

You are sick in your head.

posted on 29 Dec 2011, 13:35 13

7. hybris (Posts: 56; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)

As ridiculous as this news is, I can't say I'm shocked.

posted on 29 Dec 2011, 13:40 8

9. mikerouche (Posts: 14; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)

are you kidding me? this is a joke right? the almighty innovators at their finest

posted on 29 Dec 2011, 13:40 8

10. Bluesky02 (Posts: 1439; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)

Wow that is so lame of Apple, I have the feeling that this patently will be rejected.

posted on 29 Dec 2011, 15:33 4

34. cheetah2k (Posts: 1746; Member since: 16 Jan 2011)

Stranger things have happened.

I think its time Google actively patents all its inovative ideas, making the wording as vague as possible so as to cover everything from the kitchen sink to the push buttons on the toilet...

Will that be a half or full flush??

posted on 29 Dec 2011, 13:41 8

12. derricob (Posts: 25; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)

This is a bit low for Apple. a face recognition unlock patent? It's funny they didn't apply for this a year ago or so. They chose to do it after Google/Android released their new flagship phone and software that uses it. Also, what happens to the little guys like the devs that made iGotYa and Visidon Applock? Will they be banned or sued if this patent is approved?

posted on 29 Dec 2011, 19:11

51. stealthd (unregistered)

They did apply for it a year or so ago, 18 months to be exact. The patent was just published.

posted on 29 Dec 2011, 13:44 7

14. PhoneCritic (Posts: 946; Member since: 05 Oct 2011)

If this is true then I really have lost all respect for Apple! Tim Cook has to reign in these lawerys. This is absoulutley BS. Aagain I am a tech agnostic I favor neither camp I just like what can get the job done I own a ipad and a Xoom I was a iphone 4 owner but have now moved over to a Samsung Galaxy skyrocket since it provides the LTE performance I need. I love all tech gadgets. However, the recent rash of patent lawsuits that Appl has been launching against other device manufactures is very concerning. And this if it is true is probally what will cause me to really double think purchasing anything else from Apple.

Please say it aint so!!!!

posted on 29 Dec 2011, 13:50 3

19. joseg81 (Posts: 199; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)

honestly if google stepped up and fought back i'd be so happy cuz this is just crap.

and if google would only come out with a dedicated music player and accompanying software, n no i'm not talking about google music, i'd get rid of my ipods. google music is great but i want my music without being tethered to the cloud and i didn't buy my phone to turn it into an ipod.

posted on 29 Dec 2011, 13:52 4

20. PhoneCritic (Posts: 946; Member since: 05 Oct 2011)

Patent office please wake UP!!!! and reject this one out right. This move, The more I think of it, is so Steve Jobs. I hope Tim Cook is not going to carry out his personal vendetta agains Google. No let the old war die with its founder and please move on to new innovative things. This is just to petty.

posted on 29 Dec 2011, 14:02 4

22. SleepingOz (unregistered)

This is called INNOVATION!

posted on 29 Dec 2011, 14:15 2

23. gallitoking (Posts: 4721; Member since: 17 May 2011)

"this will change everything again" .- Siri

posted on 29 Dec 2011, 14:39 6

26. ivanko34 (Posts: 617; Member since: 04 Sep 2011)

shame to rotten apple

posted on 29 Dec 2011, 14:51 3

28. bigdawg23 (Posts: 462; Member since: 25 May 2011)

Apple can file tor this but if they prove there concept is after Google they will never win in court. Apple is the master of invention just look they were the first to add pull down menu with Emails, messages and more, oh wait!!!

posted on 29 Dec 2011, 15:10 8

30. richardyarrell2011 (banned) (Posts: 510; Member since: 16 Mar 2011)

APPLE is the biggest JOKE in the smartphone industry....GOOGLE nor ANDROID has to much to really worry about the GALAXY NEXUS is simply PISSING all over the iphone...

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