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Not will, but should Android ICS beat the iPhone 5 to market?

0. phoneArena posted on 13 Aug 2011, 12:30

There has been a lot of buzz about the next version of Android - Ice Cream Sandwich - between word that Google is trying to rush out the OS update before iPhone 5 hits the market, and some leaked photos allegedly showing ICS, but the real question is: Should Google even be trying to beat the iPhone 5 to market?

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posted on 13 Aug 2011, 14:19 16

1. bobdongface (unregistered)

i agree 100% great article

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 00:18 5

55. cheetah2k (Posts: 1746; Member since: 16 Jan 2011)

I think there are a lot of points in this article that just don't make sense.

1. To say Google didnt want to mandate bigger screens, etc, is simply not true. Google sets the minimum specs for handsets running specific versions of Android. If the manufacturer wants to exceed these specs its a win-win for the end user, simple as that. Examples of manufacturers exceeding the specs include the Atrix and Sensation with qHD screens.

2. Is the iPhone 5 really competing with Android ICS? I mean, has the iPhone 5 changed iOS in such a way that people will be bludgening each other to death to get their hands on one? I don't think so. The people lining up to get one will mostly constitute new users IMO.

3. ICS won't be a revalation, and neither will the iPhone 5 with iOS. So this article is pretty irrevalent...

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 02:00 2

70. E.N. (Posts: 2610; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)

I wouldn't go as far as saying it is irrelevant. Google is planning on speeding up its process to meet up with the iPhone 5. Some people think its a really good idea, some really don't. Good place to discuss. Speeding up the process could be potentially beneficial and harmful to Google and that's basically the whole point.

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 10:52 4

89. Dark4o90 (Posts: 205; Member since: 20 Feb 2011)

I don't like iOS so no matter what i'm with Android

posted on 19 Aug 2011, 17:21 2

144. NeXoS (Posts: 292; Member since: 03 May 2011)

The Samsung Galaxy S II can already out compete the iPhone 5.

Apple staggers its CPU release cycle so that they can stretch the life of the CPU and make more profit. Their newest CPU is the A5 chip in the iPad 2. Since this chip was not in the iPhone 4, you can bet that it will be in the iPhone 5.

However, lots of benchmarks already show Samsung's Exynos chip wiping the floor with the iPhone 4 *AND* the iPad 2! Like this one:


Is it possible that Apple will NOT put the A5 in the iPhone 5? Yes, but highly unlikely. The A6 chip most likely be saved for the iPad 3 and iPhone 6.

posted on 20 Aug 2011, 12:33 2

146. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

as far as I remember, the A6 chip is just starting testing.. its definately not going to be in the i5 if thats true.

apple.. always behind.. magically!

posted on 22 Aug 2011, 10:54 1

149. Dingo Egret (unregistered)

I am not an apple fan boy, but I don't think you know what you're talking about. Iphone O/S is optimized with work efficiently with the hardware. There is too much fragmentation with Andriod for it to work effieciently, hense the need for more powerful CPU's. The Iphone has the smoothest and quickest moving interfaces for any phone on the market.

The real test come when you benchmark accessing email, applications, which of the same appliactions on both platforms start up quicker and without lag, etc. A faster CPU doesn't gurantee you faster performance if the software is not optimized.

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 14:30 10

2. irvinkeith (Posts: 58; Member since: 27 Jan 2010)

Best article I've read on this site, Great job and I Totally agree with what was said

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 18:33

28. asfaafa (unregistered)

What's to agree? It was a question, not a comment or statement.

I bet you two didn't even read the article.

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 19:31 8

33. dandirk (Posts: 187; Member since: 04 Aug 2011)

Did you read it? The title is a question, the content is an editorial. They express their opinions, giving an answer to their own question (As they see it).

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 00:54

63. ayephoner (Posts: 850; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)

and, as i understand it, iphone 5 will hit the market in september, ICS in november. so why even ask this question? all in all nothing is that critical in iOS v android. they are both well established OSs. much, much more critical questions can be asked of the happenings of RIM, HP and windows. they make release mistakes, they die.

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 17:35

104. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2720; Member since: 26 May 2011)

Word is that the iPhone 5 will be announced early September, and released anywhere from then until late October. ICS has been scheduled for November, but there have been rumors that Google would try to rush it out in order to beat the iPhone to market.

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 14:49 3

3. The Gator (unregistered)

You keep knocking the Moto Xoom, I am quite happy with it.

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 15:22 2

10. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

nothing wrong with the xoom. its just a lesson in "how not to launch a new OS/device". There were a dozen little things that if done better would have made the xoom a huge sale success. That doesnt mean its not a great tablet, that just means moto flopped when it should have flipped.

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 18:34 1

29. asfaafa (unregistered)

tablets are a waste of f**king money anyway, just spend half the money and get an i3 dual-core laptop.

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 20:40 3

37. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

i said the same thing until one was placed in my hands..

i use it all the time now

the things that it kills laptops in
-battery.. omg battery is so much better on a tablet. i get 8 hours of movie playback and multiple days on standby. Try that on a laptop.

- quick access to apps and games

-everything is integrated better for a seamless experience when compared to a computer

- multimedia use in general, camera, music, games, ect.

Whats better on a laptop?
-a real keyboard. (of course the Asus Transformer took care of that notch, eh? :) )
- real productivity apps.
-high quality computer games

in the end its preference. But for 90% of what peeps generally use their laptops for tablets can do as well and even sometimes better.
And with tablets getting ever cheaper, the "laptop is cheaper" arguement is slowly eroding away.

Give me civ5, diablo, starcraft, and portal2 on my tablet and ill be a super duper happy camper though. :)

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 10:59

90. Dark4o90 (Posts: 205; Member since: 20 Feb 2011)

Agree, they are not smartphones, don't fit in your pocket, can't easy carry around, not enough powerful and with smaller screens so if i carry a bag for my device i prefer to be a laptop and are at the same price.

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 14:52 4

4. sprint4life (Posts: 11; Member since: 05 Mar 2011)

great article

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 15:05

5. IEatApples (Posts: 66; Member since: 06 Jul 2011)

My question is how is iphone still competition at all when its going to be stuck on 3g when everything else is at least hspa+ . Especially for Verizon I mean who the f**k can stand verizons 3g speeds 500k on a good day? I guess connection speed doesn't matter if your an isheep.

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 15:59

13. superguy (Posts: 309; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)

500k consistently is better than 3mb 1 minute and nothing the next. My speeds were sucking badly on AT&T before I switched recently, so I can't say I notice that much of a difference anyway.

I traveled with my Verizon phone all over the country this past week, thru places I historically didn't have AT&T data service (ironically, in some of the nation's largest airports). Data wasn't the fastest, but it was reliable and I didn't have to worry about it not working.

Can blame it on my old AT&T phone (a Captivate) if you want, but I must say my Captivate worked flawlessly in Europe - much better than it ever did on AT&T. And I'm on an Incredible on VZW until the DC LTE phones come out.

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 15:05 2

6. florian (unregistered)

I agree completely with you. Great article

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 15:09

7. gallitoking (Posts: 4721; Member since: 17 May 2011)

I have always said the rush things..

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 15:10 2

8. bauer lives (unregistered)

Just a note from an extremely loyal Verizon customer:

WE WANT NEXUS PHONES!!!! I like having timely software updates very much, and have sacrificed them as well as a pure Google experience with my Droid Incredible. While I wanted the Nexus One and the Nexus S, I am not willing to leave the carrier with which I have only dropped two calls in the 5 years I have been a customer.

If Verizon releases the Nexus Prime, it will sell. I like Sense UI, but I have had my fair share of issues and would prefer a pure google experience.

Also, Verizon needs to keep pushing 4G. While I would prefer the Nexus Prime or SGS II, I will have to get the Droid Bionic if it comes down to it because LTE is so much faster than Verizon's CMDA 3G network.

In regard to ICS, I think that Apple will dominate the news for at least a month after they announce the iPhone 5, so Google should work to make ICS as perfect as they can, and release it after the iPhone 5 so it can receive some fair media attention.

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 16:09

15. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2720; Member since: 26 May 2011)

Unfortunately, there is almost no chance of Verizon launching a Nexus device, because Nexus is pure, and Verizon would insist on removing the tethering and WiFi hotspot options.

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 17:10

20. bauer lives (unregistered)

I know it is a long shot, which is why it's such a bummer. They probably have the best network because of the restrictions but I am pretty sure it could handle it. Isn't there some precedent for it though because if I remember it correctly, the Palm Pre Plus had free tethering enabled on Verizon's network. They could even charge a little more for the phone if they included the tethering and I would be fine with that (or even make it optional and make people pay [note: even if that is "evil" according to google, I'm willing to accept it to get the best software experience as well as superior hardware]).

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 15:19 9

9. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

Many good points in the article. But I have a few differences with it

- Custom UIs - The ideal that google could create a base android and manufacturers could just skin the UI over it could never work. If it were simply a skin like Launcher Pro, that would be one thing. But skins like Sense and especially MotoBlur are more than just skins. Motoblur fundamentally alters many of android's underlying codes to bring its services as well as add new ones like its advanced Exchange server functionality. I love the ideal of manufacturers getting a base google and having to overlay on top of that so we get timely updates, but that would also mean we end up with the same phone (as that skinning would easily be undone by XDA) If that is good or bad... is up to the buyer.

- 500k sales for the nexus S is great for its launch. Dont forget, it only launched on Tmobile initially AND it was only available at Best Buy. You cant get them in store. So for a 3rd party launch on the smallest of the big 4 carriers.. 500k aint too shabby. If it had launched in store, it would have broken 1 million. If it had launched on VZW it would probably be a sales monster (as the only non VZW bloated android phone..lol)

-we all know that image was fake of ICS.. lol.. no worries there.

-also, pace cars set the lap, but the dont actually race. nexus devices have their purpose, being a sales monster is not one of them. thats up to team samsung, Moto, LG, and HTC to try to win the sales race.

-The GalaxyS-2 is the direct competitor at the moment for iPhone5. Android doesn't need a new OS to compete with iOS5. To say it does would mean that iOS5 has some new stand out features that Gingerbread does not have. Which we all know is not true. If anything its APPLE that needs the new OS to compete with what has been out for a year now on android.. IE Gingerbread. iOS5 is a heavy copy of Android 2.0.. it doesn't even contain all the features of 2.2 much less gingerbread or ICS. Apple has fallen far behind in the features department. iOS5 is and admittance of this as it blatantly copies android 2.0 in an attempt to catch up. But as far as I know, it doesn't offer anything so new or revolutionary that Google and Gingerbread need to worry.

So in closing, no Google needs to take its time with ICS and do it right. It already has every tool it needs to continue dominance over Apple. It has the ideas, the features, the services, the multiple teams all striving to not only outdo each other but other OS's as well, and the broad appeal of devices at every price point.

Apple has dedicated iFanatics, a copied OS5, and... lawyers to scare the competition.

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 20:57 1

39. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

actually, I had a neat braindrizzle just a second ago that could help fragmentation a bit (like manufacturers actually read this..lol)

Google makes money on every android sold that has google apps on it (which is nearly all of them). One thing google could try is to cut its per phone cost to the manufacturers down by saaay.. half if they promise not to skin the phone and just run it with vanilla android. Or give them a bulk discount if they keep a certain % of their phone sales as "vanilla" instead of a custom UI.

This would keep more vanilla phones on the market, which means more would get updated much faster, which would reduce initial and over all fragmentation with each OS release. This could force google to "spruce up" the OS a bit more and make the base version a little more flashy as more people would have it. This would also let manufacturers know if buyers like the brand for the build quality or for the custom UI. For example, HTC can release a Sensation with Sense 3.0 in it, and an alternate version with vanilla android and see how well each sell. (personally, i think that could only help motorola as there are very few that seem excited about MotoBlur but like motorola's build quality)

Just an odd idea that popped into my head. :)

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 23:18 1

53. E.N. (Posts: 2610; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)

wow, now iOS 5 is a heavy copier of Android because of the notification shade or whatever you guys call it. iPhone may have a copied OS5 but Android has a copied OS, Samsung being the best example. And you're basically using Apple as an excuse for ICS and the its sucky features and its lack of innovation.Your main point towards the end sounded like "Oh Apple is so behind so its okay that ICS is bringing absolutely nothing." Now that's the kind of mentality to makes a company #1! Why not always hope for the best and expect the best?

And many users like you are so seriously blind. Apple continuously breaks its sales/predictions, makes the most profit/revenue than any other smartphone manufacturer, has overtaken or will overtake Nokia as the #1 smartphone manufacturer, has attracted the most developers since the app store in 2008, and yet Google "continues dominance over Apple". What an overstatement. Google's Android is in no way at all a slouch, but dominance is a heavy word. You have to take a clear lead before you're able to dominate. Market share is a good indicator but its definitely not the most conclusive. We all know that its not only because of the great Android devices out there, but its also because of the free phones, promotions, and BOGO deals.

iPhone and iOS5 brings a lot of features that ICS won't have. And even if you're not a fan of many of those features, iPhone still has the app store which (in my opinion at least) is better and more important than any amount of personalization/customization. The best new feature I've seen come to Android in a while (and the only feature that I envy now that iPhone has the notification center) is flash capability. But like almost every other developer, they offered it to iPhone first and "politely" moved on to Android months later when declined. Sucks being second place.

And hey, just in case anyone is looking for a new phone, get a haircut from Supercuts and get a free Android smartphone. Now that's how to dominate the market. Way to go google, you're totally killing the competition.

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 01:04 1

65. p0rkguy (Posts: 685; Member since: 23 Nov 2010)

You're clearly not understanding this article and your fanboyism kicked in once you saw Google is dominating..

"iPhone may have a copied OS5 but Android has a copied OS, Samsung being the best example."
Shows that you've never even used an Android device, or you're just not savy when it comes technology. Samsung being the best example of a copied OS? What? Samsung's TouchWiz is a UI, not an OS. Android phones can be made to look like any OS.

I have the HTC Evo running on CM7 and an iPod Touch 4th gen JB'd.
The apps are the only thing the iPod Touch has to offer.

posted on 14 Aug 2011, 01:31 1

67. E.N. (Posts: 2610; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)

I definitely was not planning on commenting at all in this thread (since it's mainly about ICS and Android) but I think iPhone has been brought up enough times for it to be okay. Did you read remixfa's entire comment? It was BEGGING for a reply from an iPhone user. If people addressed the article I would have just been a reader, but people are using this opportunity to draw comparisons so hey, why not participate.

If you weren't biased yourself, maybe you should have replied to remixfa too and address his fanboyism? But you didn't so you're no better.

And please you're more tech savy than I'll ever be. iPod Touch? Really? If you have to purchase a separate device just for applications then that's bad news for Android.

But I do feel like Google should take their time for whatever features (lame or not) that they have planned for Ice Cream Sandwich. But just not for the Apple-related reasons that remixfa believes.

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