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Nokia complaint against HTC could lead to a exclusion order in the U.S. against the HTC One

0. phoneArena posted on 21 Jun 2013, 15:43

Nokia has filed a complaint against rival HTC with the ITC which could result in a sales ban against two popular models produced by the Taiwan based manufacturer; the Verizon exclusive HTC DROID DNA and the HTC One could both face ITC exclusion orders in the country if the commission finds that Nokia patents have been infringed on...

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posted on 21 Jun 2013, 15:44 10

1. natesvlogs (Posts: 40; Member since: 15 May 2012)

I hope not. I was waiting for the HTC One Google Edition.

posted on 21 Jun 2013, 16:40 1

15. Potato. (banned) (Posts: 607; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)

It is coming for sure.

posted on 21 Jun 2013, 18:22 5

19. james004 (Posts: 486; Member since: 15 May 2013)

For once HTC started doing well and then other start getting Jealous.
Piss off Nokia. first make Android Phone then come to challenge HTC One.

posted on 21 Jun 2013, 22:34 1

32. Alex123 (Posts: 241; Member since: 17 Oct 2012)

If Nokia make Android phone, do you think still have space for HTC??? HTC get popurity on HTC one only.

posted on 22 Jun 2013, 02:53 4

45. pulkit.tyagi (banned) (Posts: 35; Member since: 15 Nov 2012)

HTC has been making great hardware since 1998 , do a google search .

posted on 22 Jun 2013, 15:45

54. hms2407 (Posts: 94; Member since: 25 Apr 2013)

you should check out the sale records of htc g1,htc hd2,htc desire,nexus one ,htc one v,htc 0ne S,htc explorer,htc one x,htc hd7,htc widfire s and htc 8s if you think that htc wasnt popular before htc one....faggot

even if nokia comes to the android market,they will never be as big as htc,sony and samsung

posted on 22 Jun 2013, 16:49

57. Potato. (banned) (Posts: 607; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)

In your dreams. I bet it can easily come to 2nd place beating LG, SONY, HTC, HUAWEI.
There may be a war between Samsung and Nokia,

posted on 22 Jun 2013, 17:10

58. hms2407 (Posts: 94; Member since: 25 Apr 2013)

2nd place?? are u nuts?? they can never outsell the htc..htc's smartphones already beat nokia to the core,htc products have their own grace and about that competition sony has managed to sell more midrange units than nokia...if you think that lumnia 520 has done some good sales go and ask the retailers about xperia sp and xperia L !

posted on 22 Jun 2013, 17:13

59. hms2407 (Posts: 94; Member since: 25 Apr 2013)

and if i tell you that htc explorer and wildfre s alone have manged more sales than the entire lumnia series !

posted on 23 Jun 2013, 08:19 1

65. Potato. (banned) (Posts: 607; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)

I would like to remind you that Nokia is still on # 2 without even Android. HTC is too far from Nokia even with Android and WP.

posted on 23 Jun 2013, 08:53

66. hms2407 (Posts: 94; Member since: 25 Apr 2013)

oh #2 huh?? 85% smartphone market is occupied by ios and android,wp8 only shares 7.5% and this only includes 4.5 percent total nokia phones sold...

posted on 23 Jun 2013, 09:48

67. Potato. (banned) (Posts: 607; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)

So what?
I am talking about mobile manufacturer.
Stop going off the topic.
Nokia is on #2 do some research please.

posted on 23 Jun 2013, 09:49

68. Potato. (banned) (Posts: 607; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)


Scroll down to Mobile manufacturers link.

posted on 21 Jun 2013, 15:45 11

2. Potato. (banned) (Posts: 607; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)

For God's Sake! Please stop fighting and improve your products.
Both Nokia and HTC are just going down and down.

posted on 21 Jun 2013, 15:46 11

3. Birds (Posts: 1171; Member since: 21 Nov 2011)

I kind of don't know what to say. I love HTC though and barely like Nokia so I hope this case can get solved without bans.

posted on 21 Jun 2013, 15:57 7

4. waterninja21 (Posts: 28; Member since: 03 May 2013)

what's next? Kodak going to sue all smart phone manufactures because they use camera. All this I sue you, You sue me bulls**t does not mean anything to us the consumers. All we care about is quality of product. I mean hell Microsoft Windows was a stolen idea. get over it and start amazing people.

posted on 21 Jun 2013, 16:01 13

5. ar2730 (Posts: 42; Member since: 24 May 2012)

Nokia ='s new Apple. Shame on you!

posted on 21 Jun 2013, 16:05 18

6. Stoli89 (Posts: 333; Member since: 28 Jun 2010)

In the last 9 years Nokia has spent 9x the money on R&D vs Apple. NINE TIMES. In 2012, it spent more on R&D than IBM. Sorry, but if a competitor, which has spent a small fraction of that money, ends up using a patent without permission & royalty payments, then it is up to the governing bodies (ITC, various courts) to figure it out.

HTC also used Nokia designed HAAC microphones in its HTC One, which it heavily marketed as offering DISTORTION FREE RECORDING. It also claimed it had no knowledge these HAAC's were Nokia's since it bought them from STM, a reputable supplier to both companies. What HTC did not state was that Nokia was very public in its patents, a white paper explaining the HAAC's and how they are critical to its own Rich Recording technology. HTC claims its engineers, product developers and patent lawyers were completely unaware of a competing technology when the company marketed DISTORTION FREE RECORDING over a year AFTER Rich Recording was marketed and commerically available (first on the 808, then on most Lumia devices). For HTC to claim ignorance is bliss is truly incredible.

IMO, if they get penalized for this behavior it's none too soon. Theft of IP that goes unchecked hurts true innovation. We shall see what the ITC rules on this and many other areas of contention between the company's.

posted on 21 Jun 2013, 18:38 3

20. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)

Well said+1

posted on 21 Jun 2013, 20:07 6

25. sprockkets (Posts: 1611; Member since: 16 Jan 2012)

Nokia may have spent 9x the R&D but that includes their software as well. Past 2008 Nokia has nothing to show for that R&D except for a camera.

posted on 21 Jun 2013, 22:10 6

30. ngo2dd (Posts: 896; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)

So why did HTC won the case then with the Mic. When you boy something you buy it in good Faith. STM told HTC and the court that the agreement was for 6 month which was pass by the time HTC source out the Mic. But STM was wrong about that. Your ignorance is bliss. Read the story about it, not very hard

posted on 22 Jun 2013, 00:11 2

39. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)

The microphone case went the way it did because the court decided HTC was not at fault, the microphone manufacturer was. Read the story about it, it's not that hard.

posted on 21 Jun 2013, 16:05 17

7. axbog (Posts: 21; Member since: 03 Jun 2013)

Nokia is becoming more and more like Apple. But without the profits.

posted on 22 Jun 2013, 22:01

62. flynfree (Posts: 374; Member since: 09 Jun 2013)

For sure nokia have a profit from MS, 1 billion a yr, but from their products. .. the consumer will decide!

posted on 21 Jun 2013, 16:05 4

8. DigitalJedi_X2 (banned) (Posts: 346; Member since: 30 Jan 2012)

Quite honestly, I believe this is one of the only ways Nokia can slow down it's competitors nowadays is by going the Apple route. Sue everyone in sight. HTC was slowly starting to change around its misfortunes and on the path to a real comeback with the One. A phone, in all ways, superior to any Lumia device. So what does Nokia decide to do to stop one of its competitors? Sue of course. I've been disgusted with Nokia's direction ever since Elop was planted in the company by M$ and the billion dollar payment to the Nokia board. This just adds more reason for me to be disgusted with Nokia.

posted on 22 Jun 2013, 00:18 1

40. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)

There are several ways the one is lacking superiority, camera and microphones, just to name two. Your bias is showing. Better look to that.

Nokia darn near created the consumer cell phone industry (not to minimize Motorola and Siemens' contributions of course), and have thousands, yes, THOUSANDS more patents than their rivals, and the insanely good R&D department and budget to keep that lead strong. If they wanted to (if they didn't have royalty agreements in place of course), they could shut down every other cell phone line on the planet. HTC, Samsung, apple, Sony, etc etc would not even have cell phone lines without Nokia. Show some respect.

posted on 22 Jun 2013, 06:13 1

46. DigitalJedi_X2 (banned) (Posts: 346; Member since: 30 Jan 2012)

I think you should look into the "bias is showing" part dude. Your skirt is waaaaaaaaay up there. That said, I know all about Nokia. I used to be an avid user of their symbian products. For years. And the old Nokia management went to the table and worked out patent deals with competitors almost all of the time. But the new MicroKia(or Noksoft) goes in for the "kill" with Balmers boy Elop in charge. Perhaps it's you who should brush up on their Nokia history.

posted on 21 Jun 2013, 16:12 4

9. amats69 (Posts: 1523; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)

I Like Nokia and HTC but Nokia nowadays is following apples steps which is so sad....

posted on 21 Jun 2013, 16:22 1

10. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)

See i wouldnt say its following apple and samsung with there petty fights but agree the patent system needs clearing out

hope there isnt a sales ban on any HTC products, and there some resolution. ofcourse we dont know what all there patents are for etc and how detailed but lets hope we dont see another company joining the likes of samsung and apple spending more time into court then on there products

nokia needs to reapply focus away from patents, be even better if both HTC and Nokia could work along side each other

posted on 21 Jun 2013, 16:26 7

11. clevername (Posts: 1436; Member since: 11 Jul 2008)

Nokia feels their patents are infringed upon and they're the new apple? Maybe they had a round table with HTC and HTC didn't bend, or maybe they didn't. Either way, this is what the patent system is for. You noticed it said over 50 patents. This isn't like 3 or four things like scroll bounce that apple is mad at. IF HTC is wrong here then they should innovate and not copy. If... I know if I worked hard on something and Jim down the block makes something that does the same thing as mine in the same way, I'm gonna sue as well. That's what patents are for. Not that they're right, but that's the way it is.

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