No LTE LG Nexus 4 brings Google back to its roots

One of the first things that people may notice about the new LG Nexus 4 is that despite its suite of powerhouse features, there is not LTE model. At first, we thought this could be just because Google was only announcing the version that was going to launch in the Google Play Store, and not the variant for certain carriers...
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19. Non_Sequitur

Posts: 1111; Member since: Mar 16, 2012

I don't normally say this, but it's the most asinine, inane, and downright retarded thing I've ever seen Google do. Good Lord. This about ruins the entire announcement for me. Google can't succeed with this. Internet speed is CRUCIAL. However, I do agree that HSPA+ on AT&T is pretty good and can get about15 mbps down, which is close to the average household internet speed in the US. It won't compare to the iPhone in advertising, though. All in all, bad, bad move, Goog. Galaxy Note 2.

21. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

Why? If it's 42mb/s capable, that's as fast as LTE, without the battery drain issue. Other than saying "LTE" on it, what advantage does it specifically have? Like the nice article mentions, it doesnt open it up to new markets or even new people by having LTE. In order to have new markets they would have to bend to VZW's stupidity of slow updates again. Considering the Nexus is for its core power users and people that are smart enough to not want to be caught by expensive subsidy plans and carrier BS, LTE has little real world benefit to those customers.

24. Non_Sequitur

Posts: 1111; Member since: Mar 16, 2012

Every time I've tried Tmo's 4G, my Sprint Wimax has beaten it. That says a lot. Google should have put a bigger battery in, LTE, and pimp slapped the carriers (including Verizon) so that they stop f**king around. Just my two cents.

35. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

then you've never tried TMo's 42mb/s 4G. I've never seen it lose to WiMax its not even close. test after test shows wimax in the 2-6mb/s area.. maybe you get lucky with a spike here or there. But Tmob's 42mb/s HSPA+ its 20's and 30s in testing. Wimax maxes at 12 "theoretical" and never sees higher than like 8. Even metro beat sprint in the last national test, and Metros "LTE" barely broke 4mb/s.

48. Non_Sequitur

Posts: 1111; Member since: Mar 16, 2012

Tried it on the Galaxy Note 2 yesterday with almost full coverage. Full coverage on my Epic 4G Touch as well. WiMax destroyed HSPA, there was about a second more of delay pulling up Google. And that says a lot. Oh, also, the Galaxy Note 2 is really awesome. :D

45. dmckay12

Posts: 243; Member since: Feb 25, 2012

LTE is 100 mb/s capable. Using my phone, I can get 30 mb/s download without going outside. There have been times where I have gotten more than 42 mb/s download speeds. AT&T and T-Mobile dont get service at my house. AT&T works outside, but to use T-mobile, I would have to drive over a mile down the road. Sprint is even worse.

65. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

NO LTE currently offered is 100mb's capable. That is LTE-A. Yea, you will see bumps in the 30s and 40s but they wont sustain under load, just like any other tech. The funny thing is that the first company to LTE-A might actually be TMobile. They do this "last to the tech, first to the upgrade" bit all the time. They wait till its cheaper by letting everyone else roll it out, then they roll out after the upgraded version of the tech is availible... at less cost than the original roll out. They are loading up LTE-10 on the new LTE build out which is the tech precursor to LTE-A. That automatically makes them more advanced than VZW, and with a simple software upgrade to LTE-A, they will be twice as fast. The same trick they pulled with HSPA. Last one to expand GSM 3G but they waited till HSPA+ was available while ATT rolled out HSDPA (7.2mb). Tmo went right for 21mb/s HSPA+ with a quick software upgrade to HSPA+ 42 at a much cheaper cost. Last in the race, first to 2nd base. If it doesnt work for you, then that sucks, but if your in a Tmobile area like most actually are, your silly for sticking with VZW.

46. dmckay12

Posts: 243; Member since: Feb 25, 2012

I would say it is more like 2010. By the end of 2011, I could drive from hove to Dallas on LTE, while streaming music and downloading movies.

8. khanrehan99

Posts: 13; Member since: Jul 30, 2012

Oh nooo, I was really hoping for a LTE Nexus 4 :-(. Guess gota wait linger than anticipated.

9. paulyyd

Posts: 340; Member since: Jan 08, 2011


11. Kjayhawk

Posts: 294; Member since: Oct 07, 2010

HSPA+ is 3 times faster than 3g and provides plenty of speed for an average user and coverage! But unfortunately by the end of 2013 verizon stated that almost all of its 3g map will have 4g. Making 4g the industry standard by next year, so this phone i would say is not future proof. Android really hasn't been able to nail 4g anyways on my galaxy nexus it kills the battery too fast and drops a lot. I don't know about the iPhone 5 and if it can keep a solid connection or not. At first I thought verizon would release another version of the device but that is not looking likely at all. Unfortunately the lack of space is a killer for me, but overall the phone is a great and solid phone. Quick note and a lot of us are guilty of it, but how android fans are suddenly back peddling on LTE, how we use to make fun of the iPhone 4s for lacking it and now were in the same position making the same exact arguments.

15. wumberpeb

Posts: 453; Member since: Mar 14, 2011

I don't believe anyone is back peddling. Anyone looking forward to this device is extremely disappointed not to see LTE capability, and its just unacceptable at the end of 2012. 4G (Wimax) first showed up around June 2010 with the Evo 4G! And the iPhone 4S was especially disappointing to not see LTE a year ago.

69. bigstrudel

Posts: 584; Member since: Aug 20, 2012

Dont worry about it. LTE may become the standard over the next couple years; but HSPA+ will be the fall-back and still will be around. And it will still be fast enough for anything on the web.

72. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

HSPA+ is going nowhere in the next 10 years. What future are you worried about? VZW may have more LTE markets next year, but they are still far from turning off CDMA and going LTE only. It's quite future proof. And at only $350 off contract, you can afford to get another phone next year with LTE. Win now, win later.

12. wumberpeb

Posts: 453; Member since: Mar 14, 2011

If Sprint gets this model, and there is no LTE, I'm not getting it. Whether I have LTE or not in my neck of the woods, it will eventually make it my way and I'd like to be ready. I applaud Google for wanting to create a "Pure Nexus" experience, but having SOME carrier restrictions for Nexus devices is better than not having access to the device at all. Awesome deal for GSM carriers, but CDMA gets screwed. Truly a disappointment...

14. majid_pf

Posts: 7; Member since: Oct 29, 2012

it,s ok for my country. Because we have still 2g !!! :(

18. Jyakotu

Posts: 867; Member since: Dec 12, 2008

I guess that's all fine and dandy for those buying the T-Mobile variant or those who are buying this unlocked, but for those on Sprint and Verizon, a non-LTE model of the Nexus 4 doesn't seem like the best idea. Still, the GNex is a very capable device and I'm sure it can run Android 4.2 no problem if the update comes to the Verizon and Sprint models in the near future.

22. BadAssAbe

Posts: 507; Member since: Apr 22, 2011

LTE Does not matter for me at least No Coverage where i live No Coverage most places When i do use 3G its for important stuff not HD YouTube videos and HD Maps Carriers Data cost is too high AT&T and Verizon use different networks so you need different phones (even the iphones) Raises Phone cost 400$ is cheap enough to buy and then sell next year when the new nexus comes out (must have in case to keep Like New) :-) :-)

26. therealestmc

Posts: 679; Member since: Jul 23, 2012

I am cool with that. I don't really care about LTE, as long as I can get at least 5Mb Down and 1MB up on HPA+. I have the S3 LTE and honestly do not the different in actual use between my wife's Nexux on T- mobile. Yea, Speed test will reveal that LTE is faster and that's about it. I don't care about bragging rights.

32. Owlet

Posts: 450; Member since: Feb 21, 2011

Well, that's a disappointment. Does it have to be this difficult to have the most advanced device with all the latest features available to the public? Why is it like this? Either pure Android, fast updates, no bloatware, NO HIGH SPEED, NO AVAILABILITY for the biggest carrier. Or, available to everybody with LTE speeds, with crapload of s**t impossible for some people to get rid of, slowed down by them, with half the battery life, frustrating update schedule and removed awesome features? Bad, bad, bad. I don't think this Nexus phone can succeed either way. So unfortunate.

40. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

1) it has the strongest hardware, even stronger than my personal favorite, the Exynos quad. 2) it has all the latest features 3) its not available on VZW presumably because Goog is pissed at VZW for their treatment of the G-Nex updates. U want to be mad at someone, be mad at VZW. 4) HSPA+ is JUST AS FAST AS LTE IN TESTING... so I dont know why people keep crying that its not going to be "fast" on the internet. Who cares what the tech is as long as it get the job done 5) HSPA+ is available in more markets around the world than LTE by a long shot. GSM/HSPA+ coverage far exceeds LTE coverage in the US. The best way to stop all the carrier BS is to make phones like the nexus "successful". If they think they are losing money because peeps are tired of their shyt, then they will tone it down. As long as they keep charging more and you keep paying, they are not listening to a damn thing your saying.

42. protozeloz

Posts: 5396; Member since: Sep 16, 2010

6 the device is dam cheap, you can get it of contract 50 buxs more than the Galaxy Note ON contract (600-800 off contract) This is the cheapest most powerful device on the market right now no matter how you look at it, yeah they could have added LTE chips and more battery but a what cost? 500 unlocked? Lazy ass Verizon update shedule and all the blame on the Big G, hell no HSPA for the masses fast updates and reasonable pricing for a superphone

64. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

Im officially over its plain jane ugly factor. 350 for massive specs is all I need to know.

66. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

well, thats weird.. half my comment disappeared. hmm. Anyways - - - - - - - - This snobby tech geek is finally going to upgrade. As much as I dig deep into each devices tech and talk smack for missing this and that, the Nexus 4 has the holy trifecta of super power + cost + feature list. It's not perfect, but no phone is... but it's as close to perfect as we're probably gonna see for a while. And look, it even has a Krait Quad and not an Exynos (that was hard for me lol) And I think I'll take one of those shiney new N10 tablets too (Exynos 5 and super dense screen!). For the money I was gonna put aside for the Note2 unlocked, I can have both the N4 and N10.

58. Owlet

Posts: 450; Member since: Feb 21, 2011

I don't think you understood my comment completely. I just said it's frustrating that there has to be a compromise of this sort. I'm not looking to blame somebody. I understand why it's happening. It's just sad that it has to be this way. I, too, want this phone to succeed. But afraid it won't with this kind of compromise.

34. gabe92

Posts: 27; Member since: Oct 25, 2012

i cant wait to get this phone treated myself this holiday season :)

38. gallitoking

Posts: 4721; Member since: May 17, 2011

when Apple was doing this last year how dare Apple released a non LTE device I heard all the excuses that once you go LTE you don't came back.. I would love to see this people now?.. and Verizon stated will not sell any none LTE device in 2012... like I predicted if is not on every major carrier it will not sell.

43. xray174

Posts: 85; Member since: Nov 21, 2011

first it has been confirm second android has tons of 4g lte phones - meaning other option third this phone is going to be 300 - 350 compare to and idevice 650 4 apple sucks

44. gallitoking

Posts: 4721; Member since: May 17, 2011

cheers.. kepp drinking the Google juice.. next thing they will come in ziplock bags to save on cost..

47. xray174

Posts: 85; Member since: Nov 21, 2011

like the ipad mini ahah
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