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NY Post: Apple offers royalties to labels and publishers that are half of what Pandora pays

0. phoneArena posted on 07 Mar 2013, 16:50

With the word that Apple's streaming music service is being delayed by slow negotiations between Apple and the record labels, it is easy to see why according to a story that surfaced in the New York Post that claims that Apple is asking for what the labels feel is a ridiculously low royalty rate to pay for each 100 songs streamed...

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posted on 07 Mar 2013, 16:52 15

1. Droiddoes (unregistered)

apple being a bunch of greedy, entitled, unreasonable d***bags that do NOT play well with others? Breaking news.

posted on 07 Mar 2013, 17:04 14

5. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10457; Member since: 14 May 2012)

Pity. The standard is 22 cents, and Pandora pays 12. Apple has $136 billion and they want to offer 6 cents. What greedy bas----- they are.

posted on 07 Mar 2013, 17:14 15

7. timtimity (Posts: 196; Member since: 13 Aug 2012)

Record label: The offer you've made is far too low.
Apple: You should be grateful. Dealing with Apple is an honor.
Record label: Get out of my office.

posted on 07 Mar 2013, 18:16 4

10. JeffdaBeat (unregistered)

Here's the twist. Apple (and Amazon and Google) pay artists far more than Spotify and Pandora. My band gets 70% of what we sell on iTunes (same with Amazon and Google), but only get a cent or two from Spotify or Pandora.

Now, what do you think your average label pays their artists for CD sales?

posted on 07 Mar 2013, 19:36 5

15. Slammer (Posts: 1515; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)

Well Jeff,

If Apple gets their way, you should expect even less in your pocket. As a musician myself, I consider this a major insult to us. This will drive down the payout even more. The record labels are already the evil dealer. Now you have Apple bargaining down to placate their bank. Guess who is going to get the shaft? I'm no fan of how the labels work but I'm certainly not a fan of being a low paid prostitute either.

John B.

posted on 07 Mar 2013, 21:28 1

23. JeffdaBeat (unregistered)

Alrighty, so here's the deal. I don't often rag on labels. The reason why labels pay their artist almost nothing per album sold is because the label is the one that fronts the money for the recording. Indie labels will pay upward of $50k while majors can pay upward of $200k (probably more). They front that money and the artist has to pay it back, hopefully through sales.

Now you say if Apple gets their way, we should expect less. Maybe Apple from a few years ago when iTunes was the only successful place to download music (legally). Nowadays with Amazon and Google in the mix, they can't break the rule they created. Otherwise, bands will take their music off of iTunes and direct them to other online stores.

You say that Apple taking royalties from labels is an insult? Remember back in the day when labels had to pay to get their music into Best Buy, Tower, or Virgin? I pay pay a company called TuneCore $50 a year to put my music on iTunes. I'm sure Best Buy was charging labels far more than that to put music in their store...yet this is an insult? For $50 my unsigned band can have our music hypothetically downloaded by anyone in the world and Apple is insulting us? Folks can say what they want about Apple, but iTunes is probably the BEST thing that could happen for independent and unsigned artist. It gives you a store front that reaches across nations.

If you're a signed musician, more power to you. If you're signed to a major label, even more power to you. You were going to get f**ked regardless of Apple paying royalties to your label. Your label wants their money back and will do what they can to recover it through your sells. The only way you make money is touring or merch. But for artists like me who have a great following, but aren't signed, iTunes is amazing and we even make a good amount of money even with Apple taking 30%. Some successful artists are getting so tired of dealing with labels, they are going unsigned. They control their music. Control their costs. And don't have to deal with paying everyone. If you're tired of your label, but you have a huge following, stop paying the middle man.

On the flip side...go with Pandora. Enjoy the few cents they pay you per song.

posted on 08 Mar 2013, 16:58

31. Slammer (Posts: 1515; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)


I gave you a thumbs up because your comment was genuine and candid. However, I question the value you have placed on the 70/30 relationship.

30 percent to Apple seems steep when you factor in that they aren't contributing to YOUR hard work. You could easily place your art on Facebook or YouTube for a lot less and potentially have the same results.

You are doing all the booking of gigs, providing merchandising, sound, lights, recording and cutting of CDs, legal tender of rights and protection, PR events, contractual requirements, marketing and promo shots Etc. Yet, Apple gets 30%? And, if you are paying others to do what I've listed, then that makes it worse dude.

No label deal here due to the nature of direction. My band is a cover act. Add to the fact that my age kills all dreams of going any further. But, I have spent countless hours in studios over the years and have shared the stage with some well known artists. Artists where their music is still heard today thanks to well written material and subsequently, the power of the labels.

You should be very afraid of the music industry right now. It's in bad shape and in chaos. While I do have reservations of the label companies, I will be perfectly frank here. I can't really blame them. They don't have anything to sell long term. There is no way in hell that my Nieces and Nephews are going to be listening to current billboard songs 20, 10, or even possibly 5 years from now. So, while eliminating the middle man is an option, your 30% contribution to a company that is doing nothing in promoting and supporting your act in the essentials I pointed out, is equally paying a middle man that many of my artist friends have acheived for much less.

My friend is touring with Daughtry as Guitarist, Keyboardist and co-writing. Amazing opportunity. Done through YouTube and networking through American Idol. Never would've happened through itunes. Itunes is great for post notoriety. But, the labels have the power and control to push the acts to mass market. Apple isn't going to stop what they're doing and push Jeffdabeat. They just want their 30%.

However, I do wish you well. Enjoy gigging while you can.

John B.

posted on 07 Mar 2013, 18:23

12. Droiddoes (unregistered)


posted on 07 Mar 2013, 16:55 9

2. appleDOESNT.com (banned) (Posts: 456; Member since: 19 Nov 2011)

lol! Evil apple strikes again. what punks, really... lol The only people that make money off apple is apple, greediest company in the universe bar none...

posted on 07 Mar 2013, 17:02 7

3. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10457; Member since: 14 May 2012)

6 cents for every 100 songs? Apple is basically flicking the middle finger to everyone with their "negotiation."

posted on 07 Mar 2013, 17:03 8

4. _Bone_ (Posts: 2155; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)

There's an incredible stock-saving lobby going on with all the Apple news upon the reduced verdict and Samsung's kick-off campaign. But even with that I predict Apple stock going under 400 come May. You may save this post.

posted on 07 Mar 2013, 19:56 2

16. Aeires (unregistered)

AAPL hit a 52 week low a few days ago. Where are the analysts who swore it would be over $1k at the beginning of this year?

posted on 08 Mar 2013, 02:59

27. _Bone_ (Posts: 2155; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)

Jumping on the Google bandwagon it seems.

posted on 07 Mar 2013, 17:11 8

6. PhoneAddiction (Posts: 79; Member since: 07 Nov 2012)

Does Apple want people to hate them? What's crazy is how people back up Apple's arrogance by saying, "It's cool or it's bc they know they're the best." Terrible

posted on 07 Mar 2013, 17:20 2

8. Joshing4fun (Posts: 1237; Member since: 13 Aug 2010)

While I don't like Apple at all, I think it's hilarious when people call Apple greedy. Its business in a capitalistic society. They're only doing what every other business would if they could. While its not "fair", its perfectly acceptable.

posted on 07 Mar 2013, 18:00 3

9. joey_sfb (Posts: 6600; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)

Hogging all the wealth in one place is greed. They don't spend the money in advertising, in research, like their competitor which will result in money being pass back to consumer.

Smaller companies earn less each day when dealing with mega corporate like apple till they can't sustain themselve, they eventually fold and mom and dad is back on the street.

This is the result of an unbalanced economy. Powerful Mega Corp that require regulation to set things right.

Can you still be their Fanboy if you don't have money to buy their products?

posted on 07 Mar 2013, 18:27 1

13. Droiddoes (unregistered)

I have to disagree with you on apple not spending money on advertising. I am constantly seeing ads by them advertising "new" features that have been Android standards for years (noise cancelling mic, panorama shot etc).

posted on 07 Mar 2013, 21:05 1

21. joey_sfb (Posts: 6600; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)

Recently they did advertise. When they are doing well in 2008 to 2010. They are a snob and believe in free product endorsement.

138 billions hogged up in one place not benefiting anyone!

posted on 07 Mar 2013, 20:00 1

17. Aeires (unregistered)

Greed is never acceptable. While there's sound business practices, hoarding money and grossly over charging for products is never the right way of doing things.

If you knew anything about how capitalist societies function, you'd know that the money needs to continue flowing, not sitting in off shore banking accounts, waiting for the end of days or whatever other crazy reason Apple insists on saving it for.

posted on 07 Mar 2013, 18:22 1

11. nikenturd (unregistered)

I guess Apple learned a lot from the Chinese huh....

posted on 07 Mar 2013, 18:29 1

14. Joshing4fun (Posts: 1237; Member since: 13 Aug 2010)

Haha I'm not a fanboy. I hate Apple products. And always have. I even stated that.
I'm just saying don't hate the player, hate the game. And I do hate the game and player but I don't hold this against them.
Why is everyone a fanboy if they're not hating on Apple 24/7?

posted on 07 Mar 2013, 21:16

22. wumberpeb (Posts: 453; Member since: 14 Mar 2011)

Agreed. Easy to hate them but they're probably just low balling it to start, all part of the bargaining process...

...but it's still Apple. Someone's going to cave, and it likely won't be them

posted on 07 Mar 2013, 20:25 1

18. gallitoking (Posts: 4721; Member since: 17 May 2011)

is this attitude by Apple that got no carrier crap on the iphone.. Apple is a proven winner and guaranteed results..

posted on 08 Mar 2013, 05:28

28. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10457; Member since: 14 May 2012)

Gallito, please stop.

posted on 07 Mar 2013, 20:25

19. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)

Who gives a damn how rich they are. Pandora just ask a billion more dollars if they want your service

posted on 07 Mar 2013, 20:53 1

20. Hemlocke (unregistered)

Businesses aren't people. They are collections of people, but its not the same. Apple is not greedy, they are prudent. They don't answer to the labels and the RIAA, they answer to their customers who buy their products (Google's customers are ad agencies, not you) and their shareholders. They have a fiscal responsibility to get the best deal possible. Why can they ask for better terms than Pandora? They make the labels more money and they have a MUCH larger installed user base. This is just basic economics.

posted on 07 Mar 2013, 23:37

25. Taters (banned) (Posts: 6474; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)

Um Apple made their 100 billion from bucking economic rules. Why do other companies have to follow them when Apple doesn't. Apple has money and the comoanies should ask for more.

posted on 08 Mar 2013, 05:38 1

29. Hemlocke (unregistered)

Sorry, economics just doesn't work that way. Greater economies of scale = less dollars spent. That's why the SGSIII costs roughly what the iPhone 5 does to produce, even though the 5 should cost much more to build. Reversing the situation, Apple could build the SGSIII for less than what Samsung can because of Apple's economies of scale.

posted on 07 Mar 2013, 23:35 1

24. Taters (banned) (Posts: 6474; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)

Damn Apple and their greed.

posted on 08 Mar 2013, 02:24

26. lyndon420 (Posts: 5000; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)

"But...you can't become rich by spending money" - (apple's business model)

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