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Motorola DROID RAZR gets a version with HD display and 13MP camera for China

0. phoneArena posted on 14 Nov 2011, 09:39

The TD-SCDMA version of the DROID RAZR leaked with a 4.5" 720p display and a 13MP camera on the back, destined for China Mobile...

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posted on 14 Nov 2011, 09:47 7

1. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

lol, wonder if they used ardent's link from the other thread.

600 million subscribers eh? not too shabby. Im sure we will find this one in the states in 6 months. We are generally behind Asia when it comes to phone tech. Always have been.
If only we had a giant huge profit american company that would push tech instead of use old tech to keep their margins insane.. hmmm..

posted on 14 Nov 2011, 17:39 2

38. SuperEd (Posts: 132; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)

i'm no Driod fan at all. I'm married to WP7. but dang! These specs are impressive!!!! we always get the short end of the stick here in the US of A. Oh well. Always can dream. :-)

posted on 14 Nov 2011, 09:50 7

2. vishu9 (Posts: 252; Member since: 03 Mar 2011)

Get that HD+ 13MP RAZR to the States ASAP...drool..Me wants it!!

posted on 14 Nov 2011, 09:50 5

3. roldefol (Posts: 4365; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)

I've said it once and I'll say it again - NOBODY here needs a 13 MP camera. Waste. Of. Storage.

The screen sounds pretty sweet, though.

posted on 14 Nov 2011, 10:00 5

5. omarc26 (Posts: 360; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)

Just cuz u said it doesn't mean anything. I used to work in at&t and Verizon before and trust me most people only want the latest stuff. The average joe just walks in and first thing they look at is how many megapixels the cameras on the phones have they think the more the better I've seen it happen many times..because I'm Guessing they like to show off to there friends that there phones have more megapixels than there friends phones? Idk I nvr really understood that. Also another thing I noticed they look at screen resolutions they dnt care if its qhd, amoled or retina display they just look at like 3 different phones and which ever one they think looks better they buy it. They dnt know the difference between qhd, amoled and retina. They just buy the one they like the most. ..

posted on 14 Nov 2011, 10:17 2

8. roldefol (Posts: 4365; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)

I get that there's a wicked bragging rights streak in the phone world, but where do we draw the line? The OMAP 4 is capable of a 20 MP camera, but that doesn't mean we need 20 MP cameras. The additional megapixels don't add anything to the image quality unless they're matched with a stellar lens and aperture. Inevitably we will see 12, 13, 16 MP cameras on phones, and buyers may wonder why the images don't look any better than the 6 MP point-and-shoot they bought in 2004.

posted on 14 Nov 2011, 10:17 7

7. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

u know what i love.. when someone tells me what i need.. oh wait.. i dont.. which is why i dont buy apple products.

choice is key. the free market will decide what we do and dont need. many digital cameras are 13mpx and up now. why should a phone camera be any different? I would be happier if they announced a real camera lens and aperture over a bigger mpx number though.

posted on 14 Nov 2011, 10:23 3

9. roldefol (Posts: 4365; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)

We don't need $200 13 MP digital cameras either. It's just the inevitable "bigger is better" phenomenon. It made sense when things were actually _getting_ better, like processor speeds, screen resolutions, HDTVs, etc. But I think (non-professional) cameras are one area where they maxed out at 8 MP and now they're just playing the buying public. My dad upgraded from a 6 MP to 12 MP camera, and the only noticeable difference is that the pictures take up more drive space. Hooray for progress.

posted on 14 Nov 2011, 10:36 5

11. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

again, the camera improvements that you look for are parts and software, not megapixels. higher MPX is nice, but its not the most important thing. if your dad didnt buy a top end camera, more than likely he got what he already had+a larger file size.

its the parts where you say "we dont need" that get me. u are generalizing everyone based on your needs. u have no idea what i need or what bob down the street needs. let them put it out, and if the free market wants it, it will be a success.

posted on 14 Nov 2011, 10:50 2

12. roldefol (Posts: 4365; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)

I think it sets a bad precedent though. Suppose the Droid Razr had included the 13 MP camera. It then goes on to sell phenomenally well, but not because of the size of its megapixels, because of the rest of the phone. But now the market looks at it and says "well, people must want a super-thin phone with a 13 MP camera". Because we don't yet have phone-sized lenses and apertures to produce good 13 MP pictures - especially in low-light - the next generation of high-end phones has mediocre photo quality.

This is a case where I think Apple has the right idea. They didn't push out an 8 MP camera until they were confident the rest of the camera hardware would support it. They may not give us everything we need, but they generally don't give us things we DON'T need.

posted on 14 Nov 2011, 11:36 3

19. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

the tech is there, the phone companys dont use it. Nokia has consistently stellar phone cameras for their high end because they use higher end parts. zeiss lens and bigger apertures. Which nokia uses a 12mpx camera with high end equipment? the N8?
The i4s has an improvement in camera parts, but its quality is only marginally better at best compared to the sgs2 and others.

posted on 14 Nov 2011, 11:37 5

22. ayephoner (Posts: 850; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)

remix, like so many things, i think you just dont get it.

we dont need it because it offers no actual improvement. its actually a step back, because for the same image quality, the files take up more space. unless the sensors improve vastly, there is absolutely no need for anything over 8mp (or even over 5mp) on a phone. you could really only tell the difference if you PRINTED a poster of the image, in which case the quality of any phone camera would not look good.

posted on 14 Nov 2011, 11:55 2

23. saffant (Posts: 274; Member since: 04 Jul 2011)

The Galaxy Nexus' 5mp snapper blows compared to the 8mp in the GS2; sometimes upping the mp brings forth changes/improvements to the lenses/color prod'n etc which u normally wudn't see until an "upgrade" ie 8mp -> 13mp.

No one's gonna bother changing their 5mp camera just to please a few enthusiasts, but they will bring forth new camera tech in order to attract newer customers.

posted on 14 Nov 2011, 13:47 4

28. sgogeta4 (Posts: 394; Member since: 02 Feb 2011)

And you know the Nexus' camera sucks from experience or are you just talking crap?

posted on 14 Nov 2011, 12:14 4

24. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

you do realize, you just agreed with me.. right?? lol. maybe u should reread my statement.

the ONLY part i took issue with is the "we dont need" part. and i will always take issue with that as the free market decides what we need, not some arbitrary person's PoV. Let them put it out to market and then we shall see. if the camera quality isnt improved, then the market will not buy it. If the market sees an improvement then it will.

posted on 14 Nov 2011, 13:04 2

26. roldefol (Posts: 4365; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)

Has the market seen improvement in the move from 5 MP to 8 MP? In general I mean, not one particular phone vs. another. I've seen many reviews on PA and Cnet where the image quality is pretty much the same. The industry didn't shift to the current 8 MP standard because people saw improvement. The shift may have been *despite* no improvement.

My original comment is my knee-jerk reaction to people clamoring for 13 MP without caring if it's a good camera. I don't want to see 13 MP phones become the new standard when the 8 MP phone still hasn't been perfected.

posted on 14 Nov 2011, 13:21 4

27. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

there has been moderate improvement. the biggest improvements come in the form of better compression, higher FPS when doing video and the switch to 1080p capability, for most of them. Nokia pushed that while using superior camera parts at the same time, which is why people swear by the N8.

posted on 14 Nov 2011, 13:55

29. roldefol (Posts: 4365; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)

None of those improvements you listed have anything to do with the number of MP in the sensor. Good image compression and the ability to record 1080p video at 60 fps are software/CPU functions. It's only with the current crop of dual-core phones that we finally have the processing power to record HD video. A really good 2-3 MP sensor would be enough, but you won't find a dual core phone with less than 5 MP.

posted on 14 Nov 2011, 14:00 1

30. roldefol (Posts: 4365; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)

I challenge you to give me examples wherein someone NEEDS a 13 MP camera in their phone.

posted on 14 Nov 2011, 14:28 3

31. jackhammeR (Posts: 1548; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)

what\'s you problem? if someone need it, let it be. I need it. Not your business.
I\'m happy like hell with my 12 mpx N8 because I use his camera a lot.
If Nokia, samsung, Motorola, htc or the others have a technology and proper camera modules...why shouldn\'t they use them?

posted on 14 Nov 2011, 14:34 1

32. roldefol (Posts: 4365; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)

Because the other manufacturers *don\'t* have proper camera modules. They seem to think they can slap in a high-pixel density sensor and market it as an improvement. I see review after review where photos have poor low-light quality, washed out colors, etc. I understand that your N8 is different. (Here in the US, Nokia smartphones haven\'t been available, so I tend to ignore Nokia.) I just don\'t understand this constant drive for higher # MP when in the case of most phones, it contributes nothing to image quality and may actually makes it worse.

posted on 14 Nov 2011, 19:32 2

41. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

I dont have an N8, i have an SGS1 which uses a 5mpx camera. I havent owned a nokia phone in quite a while since i live in FL. That doesnt mean we cant give credit where credit is due.

posted on 14 Nov 2011, 19:29 2

39. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

i challenge you to tell my why i would never ever ever need it. you keep telling me what I need.. that is my issue.
if i feel i need a 30mpx camera, who are you to say I dont? Its my money. I earned it. I can spend it however i want.

Most of us dont NEED a lot of things.. cable TV, 2 cars, a car thats stronger than a Geo metro... a car at all.. .cell phones that do more than call, nice clothes, hair cuts..

We dont NEED any of that. But we have the CHOICE to get it. Thats the point.

posted on 14 Nov 2011, 16:18 1

37. ayephoner (Posts: 850; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)

youre just being contrary.

consumers dont voice their 'needs' with their purchases. especially when we are talking about one spec of one part of a smartphone. its not as if there are several galaxy nexus devices with different MP cameras coming out.

i have a droid X, but dont at all need an 8MP camera. it just doesnt work like that.

posted on 14 Nov 2011, 19:31 1

40. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

lol aye,
the only reason you are in this fight is because u have been trying to find a reason to contradict me on multiple threads.. congrats, here ya go. your still wrong.

people very much voice their needs with purchases. that is the whole concept of the free market. what the market wants, will survive, what the market doesnt want gets thrown by the wayside. maybe take an economics class?

posted on 14 Nov 2011, 20:39 1

44. ayephoner (Posts: 850; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)

people want high end smart phones (and most dont need them), so they buy them. they tend to have absurdly high megapixel counts on their cameras.
drawing a direct correlation between those purchases and need for high megapixel count would surely get you a failing grade in any econ class.

manufacturers throw the higher mp cameras on as a selling point. it is widely documented how absurd the public's misunderstanding of megapixel count and how it effects picture quality. again, misunderstanding does not convey need.

and, a vast majority of pictures and video taken on a cell phone will never reach any format larger than maybe a 23" monitor. like i said in my first post, the NEED for 8MP over 5 would only be seen in printing a poster sized image (the difference in 13MP would take you to the size of a door).

so, please, mr. econ, explain how any of that points to need.

posted on 15 Nov 2011, 16:08

52. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

umm.. you do realize that to view a picture on a 23 inch monitor full screen without any jaggies your going to need an 8mpx camera or bigger.. :)

posted on 22 Nov 2011, 06:41

57. ayephoner (Posts: 850; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)

a 1080p resolution is 1,920x1,080, which is just over 2 million pixels.

do you know of some 23 inch monitor with a higher res than 1080p?

how would you need 8 million pixels or more?

posted on 14 Nov 2011, 11:35 6

18. biophone (Posts: 1994; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)

Ikingtrust we just got rid of taco dont try and fill in his shoes.

posted on 14 Nov 2011, 11:36 4

21. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

yet, im not the one trolling threads trying to find negative things to say. burn any ants with a magnifying glass lately? geesh.

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