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Mobile Competition Part 2: Great Artists Steal

0. phoneArena posted on 03 Oct 2011, 11:24

We've already looked at the strengths and weaknesses of each mobile platform, so now it's time to examine the overall competition in the market and what each company is aiming for...

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posted on 03 Oct 2011, 16:27

117. vette21man (Posts: 351; Member since: 06 Apr 2011)

Excellent article Michael!!

However, I feel like I am missing something when I read all the comments. It seems most arguments of "Apple's lagging in innovation" deal with widgets and home-screen wallpapers.

I agree that iPhones are missing the following:
- flash, LTE, integrated 3/4-view navigation, widgets, live wallpapers, auto-format text when zoomed into web page, many device choices, expandable flash mem

What about Apple’s innovations that haven't been topped yet? (things that would be hard for me to give up)
- Web browsing: pinch-zoom and move simultaneously, Retina display, Dead simple AirPlay, Stereo Dock compatibility, Battery management, iCloud iTunes matching (replace all my bad, old CD rips), build quality of device, rich-quality app store

I didn’t touch on any of iOS5’s new advances, but it seems where they lag in some areas, they lead in others. Is it really fair to say they are lagging? Isn’t it fair to say that where iOS leads, Android lags? Obviously, this is coming from someone who is an Apple user, and not an impartial third-party observer, but I really haven’t been sold on arguments stating that “Apple doesn’t innovate, they sue.” I get that they are in the news lately for all their law suits, but does that over shadow the fact they are still churning out marketable, innovative products in both hardware and software? I guess the true answer comes out tomorrow.

posted on 03 Oct 2011, 20:02 2

121. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

apple didnt invent P2Z or web browsing,

LG invented the retina display

No idea what Dead simple Airplay is.. if its an app, apple didnt invent it.

Stereo doc capability is an accessory, and one that is matched by certain android phones like the Atrix and bionic with their not only music doc, but full computer doc.

battery is easier to manage if its not allowed to do more than 1 thing at a time, so thats a misnomer.

icloud itunes matching is not free. Google music is 100% free and u can upload music from any place, not just from iTunes.

build quality is subjective. I dont feel that an all glass phone is a high build quality as i drop my device alot. Yet, my plastic galaxyS has been put through the ringer and doesnt even have a scratch on it. The iphone would never survive my ownership.

95% of the apps that people actually use are the same on both android and iOS. Of course iOS has some of the better game makers like Epic, but I would happily trade that for Google's library of uber duber functional apps like 3d google maps, voice, ect ect ect, which i will use for a much longer time than any mobile game.

posted on 03 Oct 2011, 20:51

123. Ivan6479 (Posts: 250; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)

Very well said!! I had to definitely give a thumbs up to that.

posted on 03 Oct 2011, 22:32

124. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2720; Member since: 26 May 2011)

Of course Apple didn't invent those things, we've covered that argument already. The point is that Apple pushed those things to become standard features in the market. Apple didn't "invent" pinch-to-zoom, but it made it a mass market success. Same with the Retina Display.

Google Music is nowhere near the same as iTunes matching. There's no uploading with iTunes. It took me 26 hours on a very fast connection to upload 7,000 tracks with Google Music. That's a big difference, free or not.

I haven't played with AirPlay or Google TV (not even sure GTV has the analagous feature yet) so I can't comment on that.

I'm willing to bet that when Apple introduces voice control tomorrow, it will come with far more languages, and will be better quality (because Nuance is better than Google at voice recognition). And, if Apple announces NFC, it will be more fully baked than Google Wallet.

Apple does lead in some features. No one is saying Apple invented this stuff, just that Apple is either leading the pack in some respects, or that Apple was the driving force behind making certain features become main stream. Apple didn't invent the mouse, but it made the mouse a commercial success and a ubiquitous part of computing. I love my Android, and I'm not going anywhere near an iPhone, but give credit where it's due, man.

posted on 03 Oct 2011, 22:43 2

126. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

i uploaded 2000 tracks on craptastic DSL over night while I slept, so maybe they have a bandwith limiter on google music for uploads. "Free" and "i can get music from anywhere and put it in the central list" is well worth the initial upload banter. I burned a double CD to the computer the other day then let Google auto-upload it in minutes.

Making users pay a fee to listen to their music that they have already bought (but not from iTunes) is a sign of brilliance in brand strength to be able to do that, arrogance to think they could do it, and a sign of stupidity from the customers that do it. If google/itunes charged a yearly holding fee for the music, I wouldnt mind, as long as i can get the music from anywhere without limitations. iTunes match doesnt let you store your own music, it just matches your non itunes music to its alternative in the store. How does that help me with all my live recorded music?

I rarely ever have issues with google voice. I havent ever seen a "perfect" voice recognition software yet.

And i think that dude was saying apple invented all that stuff, much like taco constantly tries to say apple invented a very similar list of things.. that we all know they didnt invent.

Let Apple have their day tomorrow. lets get it over with. Let them have their keyboard free Droid1 software. Not too long after we will be looking at real ICS, and then we can do a tit for tat feature comparison.

posted on 03 Oct 2011, 23:34

127. ngo2dd (Posts: 896; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)

There you go again. To be honesty what company is really that innovation? Let look at your favorite band Samsung. What is really inventive about their phones? Having a faster CPU is not innovation. Don't say their screen because you can say the same about Apple iPhone. If you going to say Apple is not innovative (which they are not) then you can say the same about Samsung, HTC, and others.
And I think you are wrong about iCloud. You can store your own music but it will cost you.
Dude you are sometime as bad as Taco.

posted on 04 Oct 2011, 06:57 2

130. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

samsung's only real innovation comes from technology. They are pushing our phone tech forward more than any other player in the game. There are some neat things about touchwiz but not enough to make a party out of it. Of course, technology is the main reason I buy samsung phones since I want the strongest hardware to run my OS on. Samsung and Apple are total opposites in the phone world. Samsung makes the best hardware and depends on google to supply killer software. Apple makes their software and depends on everyone else for the hardware.

And no, I can definatly say the screen for samsung, because Super Amoled is a samsung invention. Apple didnt invent the "retina" screen. It is supplied by LG. Much like the insides of an iphone are all samsung. Samsung is years ahead of every other manufacturer when it comes to screens.

And I could NEVER be as bad as taco. You may not like my opinions all the time but I am definately not an uneducated blind fanboy.

posted on 04 Oct 2011, 08:35

131. dmakun (Posts: 334; Member since: 06 Jun 2011)

Kudos to you!
You continue to impress me with your objective opinion and first-hand experience on these subjects. I have read quite a few of your posts on here and I reckon you are actually an objective member who is unapologetic to state things clearly (@Micheal I know you have to sit on the fence on the matter of which mobile OS is better. I can't blame you). Anyone reading my credits to Remixfa will judge me and say "of course he is a android user" (or fanboy as they say) but believe it or not I'm not a follower of any particular platform but I have used the lot and android has offered by far the best experience. I am just enjoying the development of mobile OS's and YES android is better than IOS "usability wise". There is no basis of comparing them. And Micheal, you seem to be apologizing to apple fanboys and IOS for being rather neutral on the matter as your article suggests but you really shouldn't be.

posted on 04 Oct 2011, 08:56

132. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

thanks :) its nice to be appreciated once and a while lol.

cake for everyone! :)

posted on 04 Oct 2011, 11:46

134. ngo2dd (Posts: 896; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)

Putting a faster CPU is innovative, every year technology is getting better so it make sense to put a better CPU in your phone. You can say the say the same for Apple because they were to first to use the highest resolution in cell phone at the time. And no Amoled is not a Samsung invention. Please show me an article that show Samsung was the inventor of AMOLED. They just invested a lot in the technology, not the inventor.

posted on 04 Oct 2011, 11:50 1

135. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2720; Member since: 26 May 2011)

Apple isn't charging people to listen to their own music. Apple is charging for cloud storage (something everyone except Google does) and Apple is also charging a "piracy tax" because you can just as easily use iTunes match on music you've pirated as on tracks you've purchased, and Apple would never know the difference.

I'm not saying Nuance voice recognition is perfect, but it is definitely better than Google. I don't have much issue with Google's voice control, but the dictation accuracy with FlexT9 is way better than Google's alternative in my experience. Besides which, as I mentioned, Google voice actions just recently hit 6 languages supported, so you have to assume that everything other than US English is still essentially beta voice recognition, whereas Nuance has built databases for 20+ languages already, and all are likely going to be in Apple's product.

All I'm saying is credit where it's due.

posted on 04 Oct 2011, 01:42

129. dmakun (Posts: 334; Member since: 06 Jun 2011)

Another great article Micheal. I'm a big fan of phonearena since I read one of your piece. There has been endless wars and debates on this site about which mobile OS is 'best' and i don't intend creating another debate on the matter but I dare to say that there is (at least currently) a best mobile OS and it is indisputably the green robot. Having used most of 'the best' mobile platforms I agree my view is subjective, still, there is a yardstick from which all users of a device can judge a device's 'usability'. Uniqueness (which in this case is customization) is something every human being naturally have and/or desire to have.

Everyone likes to stand out of the crowd which is really the selling point of android. You've also pointed out freedom as another feature of Google and android. Hence FREEDOM + CUSTOMIZATION makes android the outright best mobile OS out there. (Ok, maybe I'm a lil bit emotional here)

posted on 19 Oct 2011, 07:41

137. henrickrw (Posts: 408; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)

Excellent article. Keep up the good job dude

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