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Mobile Competition Part 2: Great Artists Steal

0. phoneArena posted on 03 Oct 2011, 11:24

We've already looked at the strengths and weaknesses of each mobile platform, so now it's time to examine the overall competition in the market and what each company is aiming for...

This is a discussion for a news. To read the whole news, click here

posted on 01 Oct 2011, 10:53

76. ngo2dd (Posts: 896; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)

Ya your the one to talk taco, you troll all the time on android story saying the same thing all the time. You already stated that you don't even own and Android device, you only "use" them.

posted on 01 Oct 2011, 13:20

85. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

Not true I very rarely post on android articles and even posters on here who dislike me will agree with that.

I have used android phones in the past and am familiar with what they can do. For me I prefer iOS.

Android has advantages and disadvantages. I can tell you things I like about android.

Integration of google services
Google navigation
Voice controls are nice
A 4" screen would be nice, but for me not bigger than that

So I understand the positives and negatives on both OS's. For me I don't want to tinker with my phone all the time. iPhone still does everything I want it to do and is stable.

posted on 01 Oct 2011, 16:49

90. remixfa (Posts: 14604; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

you post all over the place.

posted on 30 Sep 2011, 18:23

54. dionddc (Posts: 129; Member since: 19 Jul 2011)

Good write up. :)

posted on 30 Sep 2011, 20:59 1

56. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

Michael how can you say remix and sniggly are logical and impartial. Look at their comments.

27. remixfa posted on 7 hours ago 0 0

Apple is the king of stealing, which is why they have to share their gargantuan profits with everyone else. They keep losing patent infringement lawsuits.

26. Sniggly posted on 7 hours ago 0 0
Because that's a strategy that a fascist regime uses, not a business.

posted on 01 Oct 2011, 01:07

64. biophone (Posts: 1994; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)

Apple does steal taco steve jobs said it. As michael said though its ok.
A a side not when apple steals its not blatent and they do add their own innovations as sj explained in the video.

And yeah i rarely do this but i dont agree with snigs about calling apple a facist regime. They are no where close that statement was a bit to much.

posted on 01 Oct 2011, 06:48

72. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)

I like to use the word "borrow " companies borrow ideas from Eachother and add improvements to what they had. Like I say android was not a copy of ios but rather an evolution its why sharing ideas is awesome. And certain patents aren't so. Good

posted on 01 Oct 2011, 16:50 1

91. remixfa (Posts: 14604; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

obviously its not OK if the other companies that hold the patent keep wining chunks of Apple's profits in lawsuits.

posted on 01 Oct 2011, 04:29

68. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)

Lol, because trying to force people to deal with NO ONE ELSE but you IS something a fascist regime would do. I'm not saying Apple IS a fascist regime. I'm saying that to them the free market has little meaning unless it's serving them. They only want the market to be free for them. The other businesses in the tech market understand what Michael has said in this article however and don't actively seek to force their competitors out of market with a zillion lawsuits.

And while it was flattering that Michael called me impartial and logical (or at least not rabid/totally fanboyish) I'm not going to self censor my opinions on what Apple does wrong just to suit YOUR opinion of what impartial is.


It's simple. Your version of impartial is to act like Apple does nothing wrong ever and to s**t all over Android every chance you get.

Here, let's test you, Taco: is Android a good operating system?

Your answer would probably be a big, fat NO!

Sniggly, is iOS a good operating system?

YES. It doesn't fit my needs by a long shot, but I understand its value and I also understand that it consistently accomplishes what it was designed to accomplish for its users. The only operating system I would not consider "good" which is on the market currently, in fact, is Blackberry OS, but I'm reserving judgment for 2012 and QNX.

This would be the logic and impartiality that Michael is talking about. I may see Apple doing things and dislike them more than the average consumer, and I lean toward Android and away from Apple due to my ethical code, but I can still recognize that Apple generally makes quality products that work for consumers, and in the phone world their products even manage to not be horrifically overpriced.

You, however, refuse to recognize this simply because I deign to find things I don't like about Apple in the first place.

But why bother explaining this to you? You never listen anyway.

posted on 30 Sep 2011, 21:00 1

57. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

And even your comment is over the top

"There's no law stating that Apple be an abusive husband with its customers"

Apple treats it's customers great or they wouldn't keep coming back. If you don't like what they offer you don't buy. It's simple.

posted on 01 Oct 2011, 00:45 1

63. biophone (Posts: 1994; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)

Lol if providing a great phone at competitive prices with excellent support is abussive then abuse me whenever you want. :)

posted on 01 Oct 2011, 01:22

65. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2707; Member since: 26 May 2011)

I was just giving illa crap. That seems to be the main argument is that Apple is abusive to customers by withholding features and forcing obsolescence on older devices. And that Apple is a bully to other manufacturers. It's just silly because if Apple was that bad people wouldn't buy the products, no matter how good they are.

posted on 01 Oct 2011, 11:01 2

78. ngo2dd (Posts: 896; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)

You will be surprise with the myths that Apple product has. Apple does a great job in marketing itself and have an image of greatness. That is why so many people think Mac can't get malware or spyware. But little do people know Mac are always the first to be hack in the PWN to Own competition. Apple product sell great partly due to it image, not because their product is always great.

posted on 01 Oct 2011, 13:21

86. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

Sorry I took it literally. I obviously misunderstood the context.

posted on 01 Oct 2011, 06:43

71. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)

You where not reading in the context those words were used

posted on 01 Oct 2011, 06:01

69. XiphiasGladius (Posts: 813; Member since: 21 Aug 2011)

Nice follow-up article, well it does expound my understanding so thanks Michael. . .

posted on 01 Oct 2011, 17:31

92. RandomVerizonGuy (unregistered)

First off, Great follow up article Michael!

Now to get into the fun stuff. Apple is definitely acting like a Fascist regime with all their lawsuits. they are impeding inovation and hurting the industry as a whole. what I dont understand is why the Gov't is letting Apple get away with all these rediculous lawsuits. Apple has plenty of money, so why do they spend so much time trying to stifle their competition instead of actually releasing a product that isnt already behind the curve? Iphone 4S.. whoopty doo! no one cares but apple fanboys, because they are the only ones who dont realize, or choose to ignore that Apple isnt even inovative anymore. They just bump up the specs slightly then advertise the s**t out of it til every unintelligent, fashion hungry, popularity whore, drools at the mouth for one of these "new" iphones.

Surprisingly I actually use to have an iphone 3G, at the time it was the best web browsing smartphone and that main reason led me to my purchase. then when i realized how restrictive iphones were, I Jail broke that POS and that improved it til i had a chance to escape the concentration camp also known as "apple iphone"

So i work at a Verizon store, now i get to spend alot of my time convincing idiots out of apple and into the better android OS. Rant over/

posted on 02 Oct 2011, 11:29 1

98. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2707; Member since: 26 May 2011)

As I've said in other comments, my theory is that Apple plays the bully (not fascist) because it wants to control the pace of innovation. Apple has to be very careful that it doesn't get left behind with its once-a-year update schedule. It has to push itself to innovate as fast as possible through forced obsolescence of older models. On the other side, it needs to slow down the update rate of competition, even if it's through frivolous lawsuits that take resources away from hardware. Additionally, Apple tends to have the media on its side (I work at an NBC local news affiliate, and see the Apple-bias all the time,) and when most people hear that Apple is suing another company for patent infringement, people assume Apple has been stolen from. Apple is the king of marketing for a reason. It knows how to make others (fanboys, non-tech fans, and media) do its work.

posted on 02 Oct 2011, 16:15

103. snowgator (Posts: 3604; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)

As a tech novice, I tend to stay out of the big guns way when the iOS/Android wars are at the peak. But the one thing I will stick to and voice an opinion on: The whole idea of keeping an ecosystem of both software and hardware in this day and age of mobile is near impossible, and may prove to be Apple's own undoing down the road. Apple's iPhone updates are getting longer and longer between devices. They are trying to keep up with software innovation (cloud services, widgets, ect) and hardware innovations (LTE, the desire for larger screens and more form factors, ect) AND distribution in the world economy. While some of those factors Apple will always be a master at, others start to pose problems as their competition only has to be good in parts. Google doesn't care about hardware. There isn't a handset manufacturer that doesn't put out Android devices except Nokia and Blackberry. Nokia is trimming it's expenses by adopting WP. That leaves Blackberry, which is falling way behind in profit levels, and Apple trying to do it all. Apple HAS to slow things down, and litigation makes sense.

posted on 03 Oct 2011, 11:16

108. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2707; Member since: 26 May 2011)

This year was the first year that the next gen iPhone didn't come out in early summer (likely because Apple didn't want to have nothing for the holiday season.) I'd bet that this will be the only aberration in Apple's strict yearly cycle for updates.

posted on 02 Oct 2011, 11:06 2

96. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)

apple fans will stick up for apple and android fans will stick up for android...anyone neutral does not know what they are saying....its hard to get your point through to a super fanboy as anything that you say that doesn't go with there fanboyism belief just goes right past them...

posted on 02 Oct 2011, 11:31 1

99. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2707; Member since: 26 May 2011)

Sorry, I don't understand the phrase "anyone neutral does not know what they are saying". I feel like you mean "fanboys don't understand anyone who is neutral", but I'm not sure. Can you explain?

posted on 02 Oct 2011, 12:21

101. remixfa (Posts: 14604; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

i think he means "anyone neutral...." as in from a fanboys eyes. No matter how neutral my arguement is, I always have iFans calling me a fandroid simply because it doesnt fit in their narrow scope of thinking. You either agree, or your a fanboy of the other side. No room for grey.

Amazing though that its always the iBots calling me a fandroid no matter how neutral my arguement is, unless im praising apple for something... but yet you never hear the fandroids never calling me an ibot when i make a neutral arguement, or even when i say i think one of them is wrong in their statements.. hmmmm.

posted on 03 Oct 2011, 10:24

107. snowgator (Posts: 3604; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)

I think that is because the Android supporters know you enjoy Android products, so they see your arguments for "the other side" for what they are- objective. But the Apple supporters here seem to be suspicious of your every move.

posted on 03 Oct 2011, 11:19

109. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2707; Member since: 26 May 2011)

I assumed that's what he meant, but the phrasing was very odd.

As yet, I think I've only been called an iSheep once since joining PA, and that was because I had the gall to point out that Apple's huge year-on-year increase in "brand value" was a more interesting story than Google staying number 1.

posted on 02 Oct 2011, 11:47

100. RandIzzo (unregistered)

Micheal, thanx for the great article. One thing though, you seem to defend apple and it frivolous lawsuits. Apple may have its reasons, slow down the competition so you dont get left behind!? Thats playing dirty and there is nothing too it. Its wrong. If apple wants to do things right, maybe they need to speed up their update schedule. Dont keep the rest of the world waiting becoz you cant do your stuff fast enough.

posted on 03 Oct 2011, 11:21

110. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2707; Member since: 26 May 2011)

As I've said, I don't like Apple's tactics, and because of that, I won't buy an iPhone. But, I will defend Apple's right to play it that way. There's nothing illegal about being a bully or withholding features, and if Apple thinks its reputation can take the hit, then it's up to Apple to decide if that's the best path.

posted on 03 Oct 2011, 07:29

106. Cyd07 (Posts: 83; Member since: 03 Oct 2011)

Great article. Part 1 was great too.

First article I read from this site : I've put phonearena in my favourites.

posted on 03 Oct 2011, 11:22

111. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2707; Member since: 26 May 2011)

Awesome! Looking forward to seeing you in the comments.

posted on 03 Oct 2011, 13:37

113. iKingTrust (banned) (Posts: 716; Member since: 27 Jul 2011)

Banksy is the man

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