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Judge allows Motorola to use Steve Jobs' quotes vowing Android's destruction

0. phoneArena posted on 02 Jun 2012, 21:30

Federal Judge Richard Posner has ruled against Apple, saying that Motorola can use Steve Jobs' violent, anti-Android comments in court; the smartphone patent infringement trial begins later this month and the Judge has made it clear that the jury should not make the case a popularity contest...

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posted on 03 Jun 2012, 00:14 9

17. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)

So the attitude of the CEO of a company which was largely regarded as an extension of his ego is irrelevant?

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 02:35 9

39. belovedson (Posts: 1052; Member since: 30 Nov 2010)

using words like thermonuclear or destroy are not common words used by the american people. its pretty much sn assault and pretty fragrant.

i am pretty sure even some editors and maybe staff from apple asked steve to not quote such expletive bull crap because it will bite him in the arse.

but guess what the fact that steve allowed those types of things to be said in his own book is not only stupid, and reckless.

the man needed some psychological and obvious spiritual help but there's really no excuse for the type of language he was using.

does anyone see where this is headed i can see apple getting into all sorts of trouble. it's unfortunate that some greedy hands and the exploitation of patents was the cause of all this.

you would have thought the stupid patent office or people in charge of patents would have modified it so it cant be exploited when years ago the camera was the technological marvel at its time

if i were samsung or moto or any of the android partners i would work together to countersue apple.

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 07:30 2

49. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

it shows intent and motivation. things that are very relevant to the case.

the fact that apple was trying to be allowed to sway the jury based on their personal feelings of the companies and not on fact speaks volumes about how flimsy apple's case is.

this is a nation of laws, apple. it is not a democracy and it is not a popularity contest.

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 12:31 1

75. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)

all you care for is that Apple is always right. which in this case Apple is not

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 00:07 9

16. Whateverman (Posts: 3285; Member since: 17 May 2009)

Do you think it was fair for Apple to ask for all Samsung emails that mention anything Apple? If Apple can use Samsung's words against them, then it's only fair that Motorola be allowed to do the same thing to Apple. If he didn't want it be known, he shouldn't have allowed it to be in a book.

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 01:23 2

27. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

I'm saying it has nothing to do with the facts of the case. If Samsung has incriminating emails then yes those are relevant.

The supposed Mac user anti Apple as always.

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 01:40 11

29. Whateverman (Posts: 3285; Member since: 17 May 2009)

The man basically says he will do anything to distort Android...how is that not relevant in a case where they are trying to destroy Android?

Owning a Mac doesn't make me feel the need to kneel and bob. Im more anti a$$hole if anything, and let's face it, Steve was an a$$hole. Your anti Google no matter what they do. I've never seen a comment from you about Google that wasn't negative.

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 01:45

31. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

I've never sen
En a comment from you tha pt wasn't anti Apple.

Being and "asshole" has no relevance on the facts. Samsung is trying to stay away from facts and make this personal. They also claim Apple's witnesses are biased because they admire Apple.

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 02:14 8

37. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)

*chuckles* Only you, Taco, only you could take the declaration of war by Apple's CEO and say it's completely irrelevant in a case where part of the defendant's claim is that Apple is waging a vindictive war on them.

Why is it that you insist on being such a dumbass? What is it about you that makes you so combative here, and forces you to make increasingly inane claims that make less and less sense?

I am genuinely curious, Taco.

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 10:05 2

65. LionStone (Posts: 852; Member since: 10 Dec 2010)

Ah Sniggles, always so logical...but you should know by now that immaturity does not understand logic. Poor, poor Taco....

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 04:00 6

45. Whateverman (Posts: 3285; Member since: 17 May 2009)

Lol! I've complimented Apple's products on many occasions, but you would remember that because you have selective memory. You seem to forget you lost a bet to remixfa earlier this year too.

I brought up the fact that I'm anti a$$hole, to correct your comment about me being anti Apple, not as material for the case. Apple wants to introduce the emails as proof of Samsung's intentions, and Motorola thinks Steve's words proves Apple's intentions. Motorola has every right to defend themselves from companies who would rather sue their competition than to innovate. :)

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 07:31 2

50. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

taco, it shows intent and it shows motivation. 2 things that are VERY relevant to any case when trying to show guilt.

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 07:28 3

47. duckymomo26 (Posts: 19; Member since: 01 Jun 2012)

So when Apple uses Samsung's words against them its relevant. But when Motorola uses Apples words against them. These words that could be found inside Steve Jobs books. Words that Steve Jobs said him self. In his book. That he Wrote. Its irrelevant? Really man? Really? FLIPPING Really?

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 07:38

53. joaolx (Posts: 364; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)

How will that be good for Motorola? They want to use his words and that's ok but how can that make them win? They're just words, how will that help them?
Do words mean that he did something? Android was never a stolen product but it's a little stupid to use his quotes.
I'm not trying to be stupid, I'm just trying to understand.

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 11:34

68. Whateverman (Posts: 3285; Member since: 17 May 2009)

At the surface, it doesn't seem to have any value. But when you think about it you have to wonder why Apple wants it blocked in the first place?

Well, my theory is that Apple may not want the statement to be entered because hearing that their true motive is simply to destroy Android would set a horrible tone. Not only for this case, but for all future cases against Android as well. It would bring into question the merits of every case Apple brings against Android. If they can proove that the destruction of Android is the only reason for every lawsuit against Google, they're gonna start loosing these cases.

posted on 02 Jun 2012, 23:55 2

13. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

I think the fact android stole from Apple is beyond debate. The only question is the punishment. Apple's goal of banning is ultimately unrealistic so we'll have to see how this plays out.

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 00:25 8

19. Mark.J.Linskiy (unregistered)

Are you mentally ill? I only ask because nearly every statement, that is mostly false, you make tends to support that observation.

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 09:20 5

61. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)

he is a troll, I've said it a million times.

1. he lives inside a distortion field
2. he has a sad live which only moment to discharge his anger is going though posts and bashing on Google and android
3. he claims android stole but also claims apple has not stolen anything at all
4. he lost a bet he is not willing to take responsibility for
5. I've show him post with proof with documentations videos and other stuff to prove him wrong and yet he continues to prove my fart has more relevant content than his posts.

my recommendation don't go go trying to prove anything to him, because he wont listen. he is like a broken LP playing the same broken song over and over again.

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 13:59 1

82. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10457; Member since: 14 May 2012)

What was the bet Taco made with remixfa?

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 15:23

91. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)

Samsung vs Apple in smartphone sales. Remix lost and won't get off the site.

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 17:34 2

96. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)

Bulls**t. If anything, it was a draw, because one source said Samsung blasted the s**t out of Apple, and one said they just barely fell behind. The initial report was the one that said you lost. And like a crybaby, you wouldn't leave. Your ass was saved by that second source.

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 15:40

94. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)

Read comments here: http://goo.gl/eegiy

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 00:26 8

20. Hunt3rj2 (Posts: 396; Member since: 11 Nov 2011)

I think the fact that Apple stole from Android is beyond debate. The only question is the punishment. Google's goal of doing absolutely nothing is ultimately unrealistic so we'll have to see how this plays out.

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 00:28 7

21. Mark.J.Linskiy (unregistered)

Seems about right. It's interesting that he only mentions Android stealing so much from Apple, but fails to ever mention how Apple steals from Android or anything/anyone else.

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 00:51 6

26. kach22 (Posts: 153; Member since: 04 Nov 2011)

What have you smoked recently? Apple stole ideas from not only androids but also from symbian and webOS. Just because they came up with a capacitive display doesn't prove they are all so "Innovative".

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 14:58

85. jroc74 (Posts: 6019; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)

The iPhone isnt even the first phone with a capacitive display on a phone....that honor goes to the LG Prada....IIRC. Put it like this....the Prada had it before the iPhone.

Apples claim to fame? Wait for it....Multi Touch capacitive display on a phone...how all of a sudden that became to mean they invented capacitive displays or the first to use it is beyond me.

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 12:32

76. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)

we should punish you for trolling and talking trash bout Android/Google.

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 14:55

84. jroc74 (Posts: 6019; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)

If thats the case....why hasnt Apple challenged Google directly...like Oracle just tried to do?

And when you say stole..where do you think the iPhone would be if it tried to re invent the wheel with ....everything....about the iPhone...? The way you keep bringing up stole and overlooking the iPhone and where it got its inspirations from is odd...

iPhone wasnt the first touch screen phone, wasnt the first to have an app store, wasnt the first to have a full mobile OS, etc....it wasnt the first at alot of things. But I guess thats ok for the iPhone and Apple, right?

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 00:19 6

18. kg4icg (Posts: 77; Member since: 18 May 2008)

Hey taco50, how many ideas have Apple stolen and claimed that they envisioned it and claimed they invented it, or gave that impression for instance, Thunderbolt, which is a name Apple threw on it but they didn't invent it. That 1 goes to the people at Intel in which Apple was just the 1st to use it.

posted on 03 Jun 2012, 12:33 2

78. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)

I can name one XEROX

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