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It's one of those days when having an Android phone with manufacturer UI feels particularly bad

0. phoneArena posted on 24 Jul 2013, 14:50

Today turned out to be a very happy day for the not so many users sporting a Google-experience Android device, and a particularly bad day for the numerous users owning an Android device with some kind of a manufacturer skin on top...

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posted on 24 Jul 2013, 14:56 5

1. ZeroCide (Posts: 785; Member since: 09 Jan 2013)


posted on 24 Jul 2013, 15:21 24

16. Dr.Phil (Posts: 1642; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)

What people fail to realize is that when you have an open source system there is always going to be some degree of fragmentation. Take for instance Ubuntu for the desktop. While the latest build, 13.04, has been available for some time, there are people who still choose to install the old 12.04 build instead. When the end user has a choice, the possibilities are endless. That is why "rooting a phone" has become so common because it allows the user to customize his or her own experience.

I find it funny that the same person who wrote about his realization of how much better windows phone is and how he didn't like Android after trying it for a few days is able to comment on how Android owners feel about software updates.

posted on 24 Jul 2013, 15:58 1

26. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)

M$ has been known to gift items to bloggers so that "other article" wasn't a surprise at all to me. In past M$ has donated laptops to bloggers to blog good things about M$ ... bloggers/reviewers get sudden and short-lived enlightenment on getting gifts from M$ ... nothing uncommon there.

posted on 24 Jul 2013, 17:16 1

51. dednikko (Posts: 2; Member since: 24 Jul 2013)

That's not the problem you represent it as. 12.04 is a LTS (Long Term Support) release for enterprise users. The next comes out as 14.04 (April 2014).

Users wanting to effectively beta test all the roadmapped developments between the two LTS releases can use 12.10, 13.04 and 13.10. These releases tend to be more experimental and feature filled, though less polished than the LTS releases.

posted on 24 Jul 2013, 17:29 1

53. Dr.Phil (Posts: 1642; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)

Yes but my point still stands. I know people who have a device with Android 4.1 and waited a very long time before updating to the next Android build because the applications they used had not yet updated to be used with the latest build. Not to mention they felt there was no real need to upgrade to have the features that were built into Android 4.2. The same goes for people who use any other open-source operating system and decide whether they want the latest and greatest or if they are just fine with the operating system that seems to run the smoothest on their device. I just used Ubuntu as a simple example but there are other Linux based operating systems that people use the older builds of instead of the latest ones because they may not like the way the new one is over the old one. Another example:some people still prefer Windows 7 over Windows 8. Even though Windows 8 has all of these great features, there are people out there that still prefer the old OS over the new one. Again, it goes back to this idea of choice. Some people may be happy with Android 4.1 and others may be clamoring to get the latest and greatest Android 4.3.

I've used devices that had the option of upgrading to the next Android build and for some reason they always seem to have a little bit of problems that weren't there before. The manufacturer then realizes their mistake and tries to send out more updates and more updates to fix the problems, but sometimes it's just easier to stick with the Android build that worked fine to begin with.

posted on 24 Jul 2013, 23:53

69. rdeleonp (Posts: 44; Member since: 21 Jan 2012)

That's just a lousy job by the manufacturer. But hey, they are a business and only care about moving as many units as possible. Screw updates entirely or provide unstable updates. Never again.

posted on 25 Jul 2013, 03:27

74. Mittal (Posts: 494; Member since: 14 Dec 2011)

Regarding your last line Dr.
Firstly, I dont find any relation between Ray's comments in the other article where he justified his personal opinioin (Android did not cut it from him) and in this article where he is highlighting the software delay issues (which are true)
Secondly, for now, there is no inconsistency that i find in the two articles
Please enlighten

posted on 24 Jul 2013, 15:28 6

17. Birds (Posts: 1171; Member since: 21 Nov 2011)

Not really so much fragmentation... More so a very fast market.... I personally find it to be a bit a swift now, considering that android really doesn't need all that quadcore and octacore power. A specs race is ultimately pointless when developers are barely able to catch of for software optimization. That is one area I'll admit that iOS beats android (the only area). Now that android optimization has reached such a significant point, I just want android devices to slow their role and for developers to make already great apps utterly godly.

posted on 24 Jul 2013, 17:02 1

49. darkkjedii (Posts: 25052; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)

Good post. Good points.

posted on 24 Jul 2013, 19:32 1

59. reddevilv7 (Posts: 1; Member since: 29 Aug 2011)

You read my mind!

posted on 24 Jul 2013, 15:59

29. Mxyzptlk (unregistered)

Yes, fragmentation.

posted on 24 Jul 2013, 16:06 9

33. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4888; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)

Why feel bad? I don't because I root. With root you are always on the MOST current Android with ROMs that increase performance, battery life & with WAY more features that STOCK.

Everything that Android 4.3 has features wise I have HAD in Android 4.2.2 & then some more. Really the only new thing Android 4.3 brings to the root community is improved performance & battery life.

Once the developers get their hands on Android 4.3 they will improve on the STOCK Android 4.3. Man my HTC Droid DNA is going to be EVEN more epic than it is once Root-Box ROM gets updated to Android 4.3.

I say in less than a week I will be all over Android 4.3.

People PLEASE root your Android devices.

posted on 24 Jul 2013, 16:14

37. roldefol (Posts: 4365; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)

I'll root my Android device when the manufacturer tells me it's perfectly acceptable and not an instant warranty void.

posted on 24 Jul 2013, 16:35 6

45. Zeus.k (unregistered)

If you can root you can also undo it. I mean You unroot a rooted device and get the full warranty. Manufacturer can never figure it out. That's the beauty of android.

posted on 24 Jul 2013, 19:06 1

56. darkkjedii (Posts: 25052; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)

Zeus is that jay cutler

posted on 24 Jul 2013, 19:16

57. Zeus.k (unregistered)

Yeah bro. Big fan of him. Would like to see him winning Mr O But that's unlikely to happen lol.

posted on 25 Jul 2013, 07:01

78. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4888; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)

Thank you. You said it BEST!

Rooting Android is a choice that EVERYONE should make. The benefits of root are countless.


posted on 25 Jul 2013, 07:03

79. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4888; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)

You know that root is a benefit & can actually make your device way better that it is out of the box right?

The warranty issue is NOT a good reason not to root.

posted on 25 Jul 2013, 10:24

80. roldefol (Posts: 4365; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)

I agree that a rooted device *may* be better than the way it is right out of the box, but that doesn't make it "a choice that EVERYONE should make". If it's best for everyone, why are so few manufacturers open to it? Why are they so protective of their custom UIs? They feel it's what's best for the consumer (read: non-power user).

If Android phones are not optimized out of the box, and require a tech-savvy user to "fix", that's an indictment of the ecosystem.

posted on 24 Jul 2013, 16:17 5

39. Commentator (Posts: 3722; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)

I don't root and I don't feel bad. I'm honestly fine with JB 4.1.

posted on 24 Jul 2013, 16:26 1

42. Zeus.k (unregistered)

I don't see the point of complaining. People choose to buy a certain manufacturers product. If you want a stock experience and fastest updates you can buy nexus. You can always root.

posted on 24 Jul 2013, 16:27

43. PAPINYC (banned) (Posts: 2315; Member since: 30 Jul 2011)

Most people don't know how to or are too afraid to root, especially the ones coming from iOS.

posted on 24 Jul 2013, 16:29

44. Commentator (Posts: 3722; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)

It's not really a matter of not knowing how to; the instructions are there, plain as day. It's a matter of not knowing what rooting is and, more importantly, not caring in the slightest. Why should the average customer care that they don't have the latest and greatest version?

posted on 24 Jul 2013, 16:57 1

47. McLTE (Posts: 922; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)

Lets face it.. the average consumer doesn't know the difference between Android 4.0 and 4.3. They don't know, and don't care.

They want a phone that works and that's about it.

posted on 24 Jul 2013, 17:08

50. Zeus.k (unregistered)

Exactly . Updates are not a problem for majority it's just a choice.

posted on 24 Jul 2013, 14:57

2. roldefol (Posts: 4365; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)

Hopefully Motorola can start bucking this trend, but seeing how the Droid HD line is still running 4.1, it looks doubtful. Given how light the Moto custom UI is, I don't understand, unless they simply didn't see any end-user advantage to the 4.1 to 4.2 upgrade.

posted on 24 Jul 2013, 14:58 2

3. hypergreatthing (Posts: 43; Member since: 13 Jun 2012)

Fairly sure the custom roms on xda will be all over this in no time.
Everyday is a good day with a rooted device and a custom rom with features the carrier will never implement .

posted on 24 Jul 2013, 15:38

20. roldefol (Posts: 4365; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)

So now you've covered the Nexus line, GA, and the 1% of Android users who root.

posted on 24 Jul 2013, 15:55

23. NexusPhan (Posts: 632; Member since: 11 Jul 2013)

Those 1% must buy a whole ton of apps considering 6 of the top 10 paid apps require root. I think a lot more people root than we know.

posted on 24 Jul 2013, 16:07

34. roldefol (Posts: 4365; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)

Not a lot of top-selling Android apps are paid to begin with. I know about 2 dozen Android users and only one who rooted. We like to believe we here in the comments are the Android end-user, but we're only a tiny fraction.

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