It's not that Snapdragon 810 overheats, Galaxy S6 might just be unleashing a chipset war with Qualcomm

The use of Samsung's own Exynos line of chipsets instead of Snapdragon 810 in the Galaxy S6 might not be because of the purported overheating issues the TSMC foundry allegedly has with Qualcomm's newest retail SoC, but because Samsung actually wants to go to war with the world's most famous mobile chip maker, and take it head on with its superior 14nm manufacturing process...
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19. AsimSiddiq

Posts: 52; Member since: Jan 20, 2015

Don't worry Qualcomm will always be the leaders, who needs Samsung, one of the most overrated companes on earth, the s820 will be too powerful for anything Samsung can make, I shall be deciding on whether to use the s810 or s820, sorry exynos chips are second rate, full stop.

23. alex3run

Posts: 715; Member since: May 18, 2014

Qualcomm fanboy? :D You haven't even seen Snapdragon 820 in action. It will be funny if new Taipan supercores will loose once again compared to ARM Cortex cores.

36. ngo2dd

Posts: 896; Member since: Jul 08, 2011

The krait core is better then the A15. The Krauthammer is slightly weaker but but better in the battery to power ratio and in mobile that is the most important. You are an idiot

42. alex3run

Posts: 715; Member since: May 18, 2014

Have I offended you by something? You're just childish. Cortex A15 r3p3 is better in both performance and power consumption.

43. ngo2dd

Posts: 896; Member since: Jul 08, 2011

You offended very one by being so dumb. The reason why arm has the big.little configuration is because the A15 has horrible power consumption. That is a fact.

45. alex3run

Posts: 715; Member since: May 18, 2014

Nah. You call me dump despite being incompetent in the field of mobile sustems on a crystall. When switching cores in ASMP architecture CPU cores actually spend some time doing nothing which causes freezes and lags. Big.little architecture hasn't got this disadvantage that's why it is widely used now by almost every mobile SoC maker. And not to mention about the fact that in HMP mode efficient "little" cores help the whole SoC to reach maximum performance per Watt => maximum performance before thermal throttling starts.

24. mostafawael.1998

Posts: 241; Member since: Oct 01, 2014

yeah i like the QC chips, but they are too lazy remember when was the S810 and S808 were announced ? and now they are still going to be released.... so expect S820 to be released at Q1/2 2016 not late 2015

49. g2a5b0e unregistered

This. QC is quickly falling behind. They can't keep up with their own schedules & time frames & as a result, they will be left in the dust unless they can get their act together. +1

32. AfterShock

Posts: 4146; Member since: Nov 02, 2012

My prediction, is you're going to be annoyed all year by how things are going to pan out for Qualcomm..Even Intel has stumbled. QC has mud on its face still, hasn't admitted they fell, so they won't wash mud off yet. Only blind can't see that.

28. AfterShock

Posts: 4146; Member since: Nov 02, 2012

Seems out of place now that LG is considering suing over this Samsung created rumor. Writing is on wall, word is out that QC fooked up this year an its either reduced performance or go with better soc, Grats Samsung. I'm not a fan by Anny means, but I give Samsung a gold star for not kissing QC back end an pishing through with faulty wares.

37. j2001m

Posts: 3061; Member since: Apr 28, 2014

The 810 100% as problems, just going by the m9 and lg phones geekbenth scores so Samsung are right to say they got problmes, that or the cpu is crap

44. ngo2dd

Posts: 896; Member since: Jul 08, 2011

There is no geekbench score for the M9. The only score for the S810 is from a reference device that have a 4k screen.

29. seven7dust unregistered

Funny how people feel so strongly about processors but forget whats importatnt are the softaware optimizations , APIs like metal mean iPhone will always run games better for the near future ,google hasnt figured out app development yet, processors can only take you so far All the games come to iPhone first , android later. for example infinity blade 1/2 or 3 with the famous unreal engine are still not available on android. street fighter iv my favorite game on iO.S is not avaible as well I prefer exynos over snapdragons for its audio capabilities and javascript performance.

31. AfterShock

Posts: 4146; Member since: Nov 02, 2012

So I was playing portal an Half Life on my Android thinking about your post. That's not ability, that's financially driven.

38. j2001m

Posts: 3061; Member since: Apr 28, 2014

I think you find Apple pay infinity blade not to show up, the payment I be thinking was live on stage as 5s was on show

34. a_tumiwa

Posts: 393; Member since: Mar 16, 2012

Qualcomm+TSMC vs Samsung+Apple vs MediaTek vs Nvidia and the winner is....

39. tokuzumi

Posts: 1843; Member since: Aug 27, 2009

First MediaTek, and now Samsung? Looks like the chip market is the next frontier.

47. DnB925Art

Posts: 1167; Member since: May 23, 2013

Give me the Exynos as it was the superior Wolfson DAC. I still keep my old Note 2, Nexus S 4G and Epic 4G around because of the DAC.

50. strudelz100

Posts: 646; Member since: Aug 20, 2014

14nm > 20nm given both chipsets are virtually the same. Both are stock ARM off-the-shelf 4x A53, 4x A57 configuration. Qualcomm has a slight edge in GPU's, as if that matters. The only reason GPU's are even getting better right now is the needless resolution of new flagships. Game titles are laughably within the capabilities of all flagship GPU's at 1080P. Its a meaningless advantage. And trying to play this angle in marketing is going to fail miserably. Samsung actually has an advantage with 14nm if their fabs can keep up with demand.

51. Somebody995

Posts: 33; Member since: Jan 28, 2015

I see a lot of misinformation and assumption in the comments here. Lets see if I can clear it out a bit.... First off, the Snapdragon 810 is a BONE STOCK ARM Cortex-A53/57 BIG.little design. This is basically the same as the Exynos that Samsung is using. The major thing to think about here, is why would Samsung use a competitor's SoC when they can make the same thing themselves? That is why Samsung is using Exynos. Now some of you are going to argue that they could and have use Qualcomm SoC's in the past when they could make their own... the answer to that is NOT REALLY. Remember that in the past Qualcomm SoC's that Samsung used, you would find things like the Qualcomm Krait CPU cores. Not just reference Cortex-A9/15's. The Krait cores accomplish a lot more work per clock than Cortex-A9, and consume VASTLY less power than Cortex-A15, yet achieve the same "performance class" as Cortex-A15 (win some benchmarks, lose some..), but the point being that they achieve similar performance much more EFFICIENTLY. But they aren't doing that with the Snapdragon 810! Fact is that Snapdragon 810 is a product that is rushed to market JUST TO SAY "SIXTY-FOUR BITZ NAOW!!!" Like the Cortex-A15, the Cortex-A57 is really not a "phone" chip. It sucks more power and generates more heat than you want in a phone chip. This fact is something that *contributed* to the rumors that the SD810 was "overheating". In fact, the only issue is that it went into thermal THROTTLING sooner than they would like (i.e., sooner than a Krait). Thermal throttling does not mean overheating. ALL high performance phone chips (including Apple's) will go into thermal throttling when you run them hard for a long period of time. This is because you don't have the option of using an ACTIVE COOLING system (i.e., a FAN). The heat generated by the SoC will build up in the phone until it is forced to slow down **TO PREVENT** overheating. With the NEXT round of Qualcomm 64bit SoC's, they go back to their own in-house designs, called Taipan. This is where the BIG.little design goes obsolete, because LIKE the Krait is sufficiently efficient that it doesn't need BIG.little arrangement (as Cortex-A7/A15 designs do...), the Taipan cores allow them to jam 8 FULL high performance cores into a single package without running into thermal or power consumption problems. Now if you all will notice... Samsung is NOT known for developing their own custom core designs. They have exclusively used ARM reference designs. Since the SD810 does not HAVE that, they really don't benefit from using it over their own equivalent SoC's. When Qualcomm has the Taipan ready for market late this year, you can expect Samsung to go back to Snapdragon.
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