Is Apple unable to dream up a killer new product because it no longer attracts young talent?

Got some engineering work under your belt and eyeing a job at Apple? The Guardian has a rather acerbic article that could make you reconsider depositing that CV to One Infinite Loop, Cupertino...
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55 Comments

36. darkkjedii

Posts: 31072; Member since: Feb 05, 2011

Call Tim and ask him. Let us know how the convo goes.

42. marorun

Posts: 5029; Member since: Mar 30, 2015

You got is cellphone number?

52. Tizo101

Posts: 543; Member since: Jun 05, 2015

you've got attitude, like a Mitch.

16. frustyak

Posts: 248; Member since: Mar 08, 2010

Maybe Apple can't dream up a killer new product because Steve Jobs is no longer around to do it.

27. tedkord

Posts: 17357; Member since: Jun 17, 2009

One man can't be responsible for all that. I suspect Steve dreamed up very little, but rather weeded through and picked the best ideas and refined them. Looking at the iPhone 6, I think that is supported. It's by far the best functioning iPhone everever, but also the ugliest design.

55. j2001m

Posts: 3061; Member since: Apr 28, 2014

Last time I looked there was an I interviewe where bill gates and Steve jobs was being interviewed at the same time just before bill gates gave up or had gave up, not 100% and bill gates gives Steve jobs all the iPad/iPhone ideas, no joke I.e. They ask bill what will happen in tech or what he thinks will happen, and job rubs is hands

17. submar

Posts: 713; Member since: Sep 19, 2014

arrogance

18. Unordinary unregistered

LMAO:

29. willard12 unregistered

I envy your life. You are in a constant state of laughter.

31. Unordinary unregistered

Hahah

37. tedkord

Posts: 17357; Member since: Jun 17, 2009

So is the Joker...

21. Tizo101

Posts: 543; Member since: Jun 05, 2015

I can only wonder if Apple will be relevant in 10 years. They can still ride the iPhone for decade but will they be like Microsoft (still used but not epic anymore) or like Nokia (not relevant anymore). Nokia used to be huge... everyone had a Nokia and BlackBerry did the same. I hope I don't die because this will be interesting.

51. mixedfish

Posts: 1556; Member since: Nov 17, 2013

If you think about it, 10 yrs ago at around 2006/2007, Nokia was still kicking around as the biggest phone manufacturer. In 10 years time I have no doubts about the game changing once again.

26. jsjammu

Posts: 169; Member since: Nov 13, 2014

I had predicted their demise in 5 year after the great Steve Jobs is gone. I guess it would a little longer but will happen for sure. It has nothing to do with Apple not hiring younger people. It's just that there was only one Steve Job's and He was the only one who can take an old idea like portable music player and make it what ipod became or take good old computer and make it iMac's of today. It's not what Steve Jobs was selling it's how he was selling. People should really watch the man in the machine Steve Jobs documentary on CNN. You used a lot of phrases that began with imagine what you could do with computer or any product. He also made people think how to imagine the devices are an extension of themselves. Until the next Steve Jobs comes along. Good luck Apple, you are going to need it going forward.

28. cncrim

Posts: 1588; Member since: Aug 15, 2011

Without out Job they lost thier touch. However they still gave great team at apple

33. ibend

Posts: 6747; Member since: Sep 30, 2014

step 1 : fire Cook step 2 : fire Ive and start from there...

34. cnour

Posts: 2305; Member since: Sep 11, 2014

iPhone and iPad is not enough in 10 years!!!!

45. TechieXP1969

Posts: 14967; Member since: Sep 25, 2013

5 more.

35. Mfa901

Posts: 291; Member since: Jul 14, 2012

next big step will be 'IOS Open Source Project' one team of IOS don't stand anywhere around android community.... this community feeds android with sh** load of ideas and suggestions... everyone can see how android have evolved and how ios is still almost same

39. alumoyo

Posts: 391; Member since: Aug 26, 2013

Well from what I've read, Tim Cooks culture is A LOT friendlier that Job's style ever was. So maybe the ones complaining are just mediocre performers who could never hack it and come up with the next big thing anyway. I mean seriously - you can't have much ambition when you work for one of the most important tech companies in the world and one of your biggest concerns is A FREE LUNCH! All the real talent launch their own startups anyway. Those people going to Alphabet, Facebook etc. WHAT GREAT THINGS HAVE THEY DONE OVER THERE LATELY??? Apple has buckets of money, so if they see what they feel is the next big thing being done by a small startup, all they have to do is but the startup - PROBLEM SOLVED.

40. kryme

Posts: 469; Member since: Oct 24, 2013

Google AI... Phones and tablet is not everything that Google does

44. TechieXP1969

Posts: 14967; Member since: Sep 25, 2013

This to me is a touch one on so many levels. A company full of old farts, even if they had young talent, still may not come up with a good idea. Because old people are set in their ways, and will just think the youing person is crazy. Microsoft for example did get somewhat young talent in that Belfore guy. But Windows phone at first which looked good, still had Windows Mobile underneath because the old people just didnt want to give it up. Young talent made the Windows 8 UI, but old farts didn't like in, inside and outside of Microsoft. Apple has brought to the tablet ideas and concepts that manufacturing capabilities woudl have made expensive years ago. If today's smartphone, tablet and similar devices were released in year 2000 when Bill Gates spoke of them, they would have costed 3 times or more. After 2007, this wasn't an issue. However what technology could we really move to next? What is the next big iPad? The next big idea can come from even an old fart. All we need is a person who can take 2 things from today's tech and spin it off into something new. The Surface has potential of spinning off a Windows PC into a modern tablet form factor and I think it is the start of a new idea and concept that could be taken a step further. Surface-Phone be it. They already have a phone that can run desktop-like apps on a screen, which Moto tried and failed and MS did better because Windows is more usable. But right now, there isn't an available product where we could combine them and create a nice revolution. You know and old fart took the concept of a phone, a printer and a fax and made a modern unit that houses all 3. Intel has found a way to shove a full PC into a little box you can plug into any TV and make it a PC. Google has shoved streaming services into a small dongle.Android was inspired by a group of young people who had talent. Apple is goign to have a hard time beating their own iPhone without "borrowing" some ideas from someone. Example the Surface. Apple has mocked it, yet they released the ipad pro which tries to mimic it albeit very poorly when they could have just made it run OSX and made it x86. They missed a shot yet again. When the first iPad was rumor, people were making concepts of an iPad running OSX. Apple is stupid for not doing that first and allowing YET AGAIN, for a rival to beat them to the punch. Apple should have had the first big smartphone. It's evolution. The iPad should have been running OSX as soon as Intel made the ATOM. Old people can't improvise. If Ballmer was younger, he would have seen the iPhone as a threat and tried to shoot for better with a real Windows Phone. Instead his old fart butt laugh first and Apple got the last laugh. Now who is in 2rd place when they probably could have been 2nd? Talent has nothing to do with age, it has to do with inspiration, and the balls to do what others won't or might..but do it sooner vs later. Timing is everything.

47. Baracus

Posts: 223; Member since: Sep 15, 2012

Apple hasn't innovated in years and now they're more about just polishing up the same IOS and the only talent they care about is in their legal department.

56. TechieXP1969

Posts: 14967; Member since: Sep 25, 2013

You don't need talented lawyers when you have Judge Koh.

60. JumpinJackROMFlash

Posts: 464; Member since: Dec 10, 2014

And they also don't need talented lawyers when they have the Apple money behind them. They can crush anyone with drawn out legal processes just from the cost.
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