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ITC rules that HTC is violating two Apple patents, threatens all of Android

0. phoneArena posted on 15 Jul 2011, 19:47

Apple had filed a lawsuit claiming that HTC infringed on 10 patents, and the ITC has ruled that HTC is indeed in violation of two of those patents, which could cause trouble for HTC in importing devices into the USA...

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posted on 15 Jul 2011, 20:56 5

16. clevername (Posts: 1436; Member since: 11 Jul 2008)

Apple isn't beating android in sales, but they're ahead HTC.

posted on 16 Jul 2011, 01:03 2

60. E.N. (Posts: 2610; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)

yeah and even though Android has more marketshare, that means nothing when iPhone commands 50% of all smartphone profits.

posted on 16 Jul 2011, 06:42 1

75. hepresearch (unregistered)

It's all about following the money...

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 20:52 1

14. clevername (Posts: 1436; Member since: 11 Jul 2008)

I think the worst thing that will actually happen, not can happen, will be HTC paying Apple $5-$15 per unit sold like they do to Microsoft. Which will still hurt. Either that or a lump sum settlement. But this just the worst case scenario.

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 21:24 1

28. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)

I would prefer if HTC where to pay a fee rather than being banned from the market, even tho they may not like to pay royalties per phone but currently Android is the one giving them money in lots, hopefully this won't make so many consider other plaform

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 21:07 6

19. spliffstarr528 (unregistered)

I find this ridiculous. If Apple wants to play "If I invented it, then I sue," then Motorola should sue Apple for making cell phones, being that they first invented the cell phone. Apple hasnt been entirely innovative and original (their introduction of iOS 5) and they need to get their s**t together and find a way to appeal to the masses, rather than eliminating the choices of the consumer.

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 22:22 3

38. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)

Americans are lemmings, a few people have awakened to find that iphones are not the best phones. People just sleepwalk through expecting everything to be handed to them and to keep up with the Joneses.

posted on 16 Jul 2011, 00:01

54. luis_lopez_351 (Posts: 951; Member since: 18 Nov 2010)

Where you from? Americans mean everyone from the Americas (including North central* and south america) i doubt your calling all of us lemmings. the only lemmings in out hemisphere are rotten Cubans.

posted on 17 Jul 2011, 13:02

160. jbash (Posts: 345; Member since: 07 Feb 2011)

no it doesn't, we dont call our selves united stateans, And ppl from brazil dont call themselves american they are brazilian. ask anyone in any country where americans are from, they will say from the us, united states, or america.

posted on 16 Jul 2011, 00:36 1

58. spliffstarr528 (unregistered)

lol really? as an american, i find that comment very ignorant and discriminative.

posted on 17 Jul 2011, 10:23 1

157. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)

To say Americans are lemmings is not ignorant - in fact it is very truthful. Look at the politicians we elect to serve us, or rather themselves. Look at the tech in America, or lack of, when it comes to rest of the world. An iphone is a smartphone for dummies, to quote a good friend of mine, an iphone user.

posted on 17 Jul 2011, 10:21 1

156. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)

Android OS is an open ecosystem and stands for choice, for freedom. I can go to any carrier and get an ANDROID phone. If I like something on a different model of android, chances are I can take that bit of programming and install it on my android phone. That is one huge appeal of android phones.

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 21:10 3

20. Laurynas (unregistered)

People, remember that all this is business, ain't technical or software challenge, it is BUSINESS and MONEY MAAKING!

Company is like a big war machine and this war always goes in many levels, for example:
Software level (Soldiers: programmers)
Hardware level (Soldiers: engineers)
Judicial level (Soldiers: lawyers)
Marketing level;
And so on...

It's all about a business and money talks...

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 21:15

23. hepresearch (unregistered)

Such is life... I mean, business...

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 21:13 1

22. Rawrzellers (Posts: 224; Member since: 22 Aug 2010)

Later on it'll be released that apple had paid off certain members to rule in their favor. The bigger they are the harder they fall.

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 21:16

24. hepresearch (unregistered)

well, the bigger they are, the better they tend to be at re-writing the history books...

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 22:35 1

40. vvelez5 (Posts: 623; Member since: 29 Jan 2011)

and later on some random person will give me 1 million dollars. See I can make outrageous claims too.

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 21:21 3

26. Android Metalpoet (unregistered)

Dear Steve Jobs, I hope u trip on a windows phone and ur head gets cracked open by a blackberry and finally and android fan throws an iphone at u and u finally realize that ur pissing the entire cell phone world off, u cant win! Stop being such a wuss and realize that ur not god and u didnt invent the cell phone, u didnt invent computers, u didnt invent s**t! u took everyones ideas and slightly improved it and when google did the same thing u became threatened that someone out smarted u! Let it be a competitive market and see who wins by wat the ppl want! if you force ppl they wont buy, dont u realize americans are way too rebelious to comform to ur ideal world!

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 22:20 3

36. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)

Apple feels threatened by Samsung and HTC - this whole lawsuit issue is no surprise. This is why I will never purchase APPLE products. I went from WINDOWS 6.5 to ANDROID and I am not looking back. Apple is not about innovation, it is about re-invention of the 'wheel'. To each his/her own, I guess. Even if Apple does get HTC blocked from imports in the U.S., there will be other way to get their Android phones.

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 22:41 2

41. vvelez5 (Posts: 623; Member since: 29 Jan 2011)

I'm just glad I'm not a blind fanboy. I'm happy that I can look at different manufactures and different OS' and see which one is better for which task. It's funny when someone calls a group of people lemmings early on but later down the thread admits that they put on blinders and refuse to look at the other options that keep coming out. Sad really.

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 23:09 3

44. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)

Even the *blindest* Android fanboys on here have been able to admit that iOS itself is pretty good and that the iPhone is a good product; same with the iPad. What we take issue with are Apple's practices as a company which demonstrate constantly that Apple is not interested in operating in a truly free market, but one dominated by force and fear, and the creation of a religious devotion to their products.

However, the iFanboys...Gemini, stealthd, Taco...I've never seen them say anything truly positive about Android. They exaggerate issues that some Android phones have, they declare that Android users are all jealous of iPhone users, and in no uncertain terms show hatred for anything not made by Apple. It's religious fanaticism of the worst kind. It's like atheists vs. fundamentalists; sure, you have some assholes on the atheist side, but they mostly pale in comparison to the bulls**t that comes from the fundamentalists.

posted on 16 Jul 2011, 01:14 1

63. E.N. (Posts: 2610; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)

The blindest Android fanboys can't admit that iOS is a good product. If Android users could accept that, we wouldn't have a huge parade of Android users rushing into every single iPhone post and causing havoc leading to articles with 100+ comments.

I agree with what you say about the iFanboys, but how can you blame them when the iOS users are outnumbered on this site. On almost every single iphone post we have to deal with negative comments from Android users about Apple/iPhone and listen to them glorify Android and its freedom.

posted on 16 Jul 2011, 06:51 3

76. hepresearch (unregistered)

I am a religious person, but I sure must say that religious fanaticism sucks... the Apple-worshipping is super-annoying at the least. There are some Android-worshippers out there, but not near as many it would seem, and not nearly so closed-minded.

+1 to Sniggly for the scarily-relevant analogy...

posted on 16 Jul 2011, 08:42 1

85. snowgator (Posts: 3604; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)

The last part of that statement hits kinda close to home for me, as I am Born Again-style Christian, and I believe fundamentalists push away people, not include them. I go to Church at the Salvation Army, and we spen nearly every dime on our food pantry, helping with utility bills, clothing (through thrift stores), school supplies and even medical perscriptions. I do not believe in the Rapture, the exclusion of women from leadership, predestination, or putting my morality into law. (I sure do not want someone else morality pushed on me.) It is tough that the news focus is always on the negative, so when some idiot who has declared himself a Pastor does something stupid it makes all the news. Fundamentalists are not evil, just often fall to that one sin that Christ talked about more than any other: Pride.

Okay, off my soapbox. Forgive me, and about those cell phones....

posted on 16 Jul 2011, 09:13 1

86. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)

I hope I didn't offend you. By fundamentalists I was mainly referring to pieces of s**t like the Westboro Baptist Church, Kent Hovind, Ray Comfort, Ken Hamm, faith healers and the people who run Jesus Camp. People who do try to legislate morality, abuse children with threats of hell, spread misinformation about science, and let their children die of curable ailments rather than give up on their tenets that faith alone gets you through life.

All right, now I'll get off of MY soapbox. :)

posted on 17 Jul 2011, 10:25 2

158. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)

Not true, as I said, I used to have WIN 6.5 phones. For now, it is Android, due to its ease of use and mutliple phones on multiple carriers options. Technologically speaking, the best Android models are easily better than iphone 4,

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 22:45 3

42. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)

The article does make a good point: this will probably only result in a settlement, and HTC and Android will survive.

You know, all of you who say "Apple is just trying to protect its intellectual property, neer neer," you ignore the actions Apple is taking. Other companies, like Microsoft, are content to come to agreements where they get money for Android phones sold. In cases like those, everyone wins. However, Apple doesn't want anyone else to benefit but them. This is not a capitalistic ideal, but the ideal of a mobster, a fascist, a monster corrupted by greed and drunk with power. Apple isn't content with making its billions. It wants to be the only successful business in the market.

So fight fire with fire. I say to all of the other companies: cancel any patent deals you have with Apple, then SUE THE LIVING s**t OUT OF THEM. MAKE APPLE CRAWL. MAKE THEM BEG FOR MERCY BEFORE THE END.

Okay, I'm done. Is anyone up for a spot of tea?

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 23:07 2

43. stealthd (unregistered)

Lol, you're smoking rocks bro.

Apples suing companies that started making Android phones after they released (and saw much success with) the iPhone. It doesn't get much simpler than that. HTC was nearly unheard of in the wireless industry before they started making Android phones; they didn't even have a Wikipedia page. Samsung was known for cheap dumb phones and appliances. Motorola was known for the Razr. They all dived in head first into the smart phone game after they saw what Apple did. When you build the mountain everyone else is trying to climb, you'd be stupid not to watch out for companies that slip up and release a product that violates one or more of your patents.

Could you at least try for once to sound objective and not like a raging fanboy?

posted on 15 Jul 2011, 23:18 3

45. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)

HTC was nearly unheard of? Dude, just because they weren't friggin huge in the American market doesn't mean they didn't have a good standing. They were a major Windows Mobile manufacturer before they started their partnership with Google. You only need to look at that formerly nonexistent Wikipedia page in order to find that out. Samsung was not only known for its "dumb" phones (some of which were quite novel, like the Alias) but also for their Windows Mobile phones. Motorola was known not only for the Razr, but also for the Q, another mainstay of Windows Mobile.

They dove headfirst into Android once they saw what it offered. After HTC showed that Android was a viable product, Motorola and Samsung got involved. This is corroborated by articles here on Phonearena. Android is a similar concept to iOS, but in many ways has more in common with Windows Mobile and BREW. Seriously, think about it; on a BREW, Windows or Blackberry device you have a home screen which may have some functions or program access on it. Then you hit a menu/start/blackberry key and you get a list of programs and functions. This is basically the user interface for Android. It's just simplified like a feature phone while keeping the depth of function of Windows and Blackberry, and throwing in deep integration with Google's services.

So it's not really an issue of Apple not wanting others to climb its mountain; it's pissed off that another mountain grew up next to it and a lot of people decided to climb it instead. It wants to be the only mountain on the skyline.

Or, for another analogy, it's like the Empire State Building hiring a couple of airplanes to take out the Twin Towers and the Chrysler Building because it wants to be the most iconic tower in New York City. It doesn't want any other tall buildings around to take up its view. It wants everyone to stand in awe of it and no one else.

Or, instead of going crazy with analogies, stealthd, you could try just getting your facts straight for once.

posted on 16 Jul 2011, 15:21

117. stealthd (unregistered)

My facts are straight thanks: WinMo was terrible and no one gave a crap about it, and no one was sad to see it disappear. My analogies are concise, yours are convoluted.

Btw, what did android offer developers? Oh yeah, an easy way out. Since they were all so utterly incompetent when it comes to software, using someone else's was their only way. How innovative!

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