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How is Apple Maps any different from the Android G1?

0. phoneArena posted on 06 Oct 2012, 09:55

Apple Maps may be a bad product now, and it may not have lived up to the flowery language that Apple used to launch it, but aside from the big announcement, how is it any different from Android 1.5?...

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posted on 06 Oct 2012, 12:55 7

79. rcl4444 (Posts: 40; Member since: 06 Oct 2012)

Though I agree with the core message, that Apple doesn't always get given a 'fair go' that Google (or others) seem to get, I the article is very biased, one sided (there is a difference) & missed what is the biggest driver of iHaters.

Firstly, the view portrayed is Apple is almost 'innocent' of any wrong doing, or more accurately innocent of doing anything worse than others. However, calling your product "the most exciting in history" is a far cry from "the most beautiful and powerful ever". The first is tantalising but vague at best and refers to products to date...the second makes a definitive claim & one that covers products for all time ('ever' means past, present & future)

'It takes two to tango'. iFans tend to be An(droid)Haters. The article failed to acknowledge this exists, & more importantly the impact on against Apple through sheer backlash.

The biggest causes (drivers) of iHate is triggered by Apple themselves:
- they should 've released iMaps as a Beta, & there's no justification to support doing otherwise...ask any serious programmer!
- as the article says Apple continue to make the same claims that are not always accurate...even knowing they've been wrong before, & must've had some idea iMaps wasn't yet 100%.
- Apple has used the same marketing language for years. It inflames iHaters partly because they continue to do this, however what's more frustrating is iFans constantly believe it...almost blindly!

Need proof? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMsLArefSOw

- iFans tend to tout Apple marketing as fact, almost as gospel; often refusing to accept any proof (links to reviews or stats & facts) otherwise.

- Anfans are generally more objective. Though mostly claiming Android as by far the best OS, they rarely call it perfect & ususally openly admit where it has shortcomings, which iFans don't often, or blatantly refuse to do.

- iFans are often disrepute Android based on misinformation, or worse on no information. Many trash Android with little or no experience or understanding of it.

Lastly, Apple's continual lawsuits, monopolistic and 'bully' behaviour leaves many with less than objective and generous views for the company - creating iMaps and shutting out Google is just one more example of this. You don't see Google exhibiting the same behaviour or these continual extremes.

In summary, Apple's detractors are fuelled not only Apple's but also by it's fans behaviour.

I don't support the actions of either fan bases. However I find the unwavering behaviour of many Apple fans disturbing. I would NEVER unquestioningly accept the views of ANY company, especially one that is making the biggest profit margins of any in the world (by charging more per product sold) is certainly not looking out after my better interests!!

I appreciate what this article was trying to do, and fully agree with sentiment. However it totally missed the mark.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 15:20 3

99. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)

excellent post - sums up G-King, Mxy, and Taco very well....spreading misinformation is a talent that the U.S. gov't looks for when hiring, so maybe these three have a future.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 17:43 1

106. jroc74 (Posts: 6019; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)

Amazing post....lol.

One thing this article did do....is stir up some good ole fashioned debate, dialogue.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 13:08 2

82. myclevername (Posts: 94; Member since: 07 Jun 2010)

It's called "false advertising" and it was used to sell the new iPhone and the new OS6. Apple should expect a class action lawsuit.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 13:17 2

85. mcart123 (Posts: 9; Member since: 03 Aug 2012)

Someone once said "Its better to be silent and thought a fool, then open your mouth and remove all doubt"

Michael H the author just removed all doubt.

Thank you for that clarification, just added him to the list of idiots

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 18:35 1

114. Droiddoes (unregistered)

LOL. Too true, I can't believe iPhonearena still posts his drivel. Oh wait, IPHONEARENA, now it makes sense...

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 13:43 1

88. busa03 (Posts: 11; Member since: 12 Jan 2012)

Michael your an isheep.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 13:46 2

89. xfire99 (Posts: 940; Member since: 14 Mar 2012)

LOL, again Michael H shows hes Apple fan and keeping finding excuses for Apples failures. Im sure he got paid from Apple to write for theirs favour. Comparing Android G1 with Apple Maps is just a joke and worst excuse of all he been writing at recent for Apple.
G1/Android 1.5 is a hardware/OS and not a app. Also in others article, u said u self that Apple begun at 2009 working on Apple maps and that is 3 years ago. Still they released a catastophic maps app and never a single word its a Alpha release.
If u wanna compare, then compare it with iphone 1 and was iphone 1 much better then G1/android 1.5?

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 13:47 2

90. Nadr1212 (Posts: 741; Member since: 22 Sep 2012)

They should've worked on their maps a LOT longer than they Originally did

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 14:16 1

94. lyndon420 (Posts: 5008; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)

I still have my HTC Dream (G1) running 1.6 and it never failed with navigation, and is still just as accurate as my One X running ICS.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 15:16 3

97. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)

I thought the read: How is APPLE any different than Android G1...meaning iphone 5 on par with G1...lol

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 15:17 4

98. EclipseGSX (Posts: 1743; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)

Comparing Apple to a 4 year old device and OS, sounds about right.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 15:25 2

100. Aeires (unregistered)

Q. How is Apple Maps any different from the Android G1?

A. The G1 wasn't a replacement for something that worked perfectly fine.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 16:39 5

102. tedkord (Posts: 14151; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)

Do you really need to ask this question, Michael?

The cause of this phenomenon is all the Apple fans claiming that their Apple products are the premium end of the spectrum, while everything else (particularly Android) is low end, buggy crap.

How many times have we heard one of them proclaim that the difference between Apple and Android is user experience, and that while Android releases buggy beta software, Apple only releases polished, finished product?

Now, we have Siri, which a year after release is still a buggy, beta mess that is under threat of lawsuit from users because it doesn't behave in any way like the commercials portray. And on top of that, Apple Maps, which is more like an apha release than beta. It's so bad that Apple themselves are recommending their users go to other apps.

Sorry, but when you're that high and mighty arrogant about your device, you've set yourself up for ridicule when it falls flat. A self proclaimed (and user proclaimed) device that is the penultimate user experience shouldn't have these sort of rough edges and flubs.

Of course, there's the alternate explanation - that it never really was any better than competing top line products, and in fact falls behind the uppermost offering from other companies...Nah, that can't be it.

posted on 07 Oct 2012, 00:44

133. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2720; Member since: 26 May 2011)

Who cares what Apple claims?

Red Bull claims to give you wings, do you really expect that when you drink a can?

Marketing claims don't mean anything. Do your own research. You obviously have and you aren't buying Apple's BS. If other people do, that's there problem. It's not like we didn't give out the warning multiple times that the product wasn't up to par.

posted on 07 Oct 2012, 05:13 2

153. ilia1986 (unregistered)

No, but if millions of people will buy Red Bull just because they wanna fly - people will judge Red Bull by whether or not it actually gives people wings. Yes, people are that Stupid. Especially when it comes to consumer electronics, when they believe that the products are "magical and revolutionary"

posted on 07 Oct 2012, 11:30 2

164. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

its not what they claim, its the constant high bar of expectation that they have set... and continue to try to set for their products. They could claim it makes monkeys fly, that wouldnt matter. But when you say "its the best" or "its the most powerful", most people will go "hey, its probably the best and most powerful", as generally claims like those are backed up by some kind of study or award. When Honda comes out and says "our coupe is the most reliable", there is a study of some sort to back it up.

There is a difference between claiming to "give you wings", and claiming to be better than everything else on the field. One is obviously bunk, the other is expected to be provable.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 17:49 3

107. downphoenix (Posts: 3165; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)

The difference between the T-Mobile G1 and Apple Maps?

I can think of a few.

1) If G1 was advertised like you said it was, its literally the first time I, or most everyone here, has heard of it. That phone was so minimally advertised that many people incorrectly think the Motorola Droid or HTC Hero was the 1st Android phone.

2) The G1 is the first Android product, ever. Apple Maps may be Apple's first Mapping app, but is not remotely their first iOS app product.

3) The G1 was the first smartphone based on open sourced code. Apple Maps is late to the party when it comes to map based application. Basically there are a lot of other programs to compare it to, where as the G1 was a pioneer in its territory, so misteps are natural.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 20:39 1

122. jroc74 (Posts: 6019; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


Yea, many ppl think the original Motorola Droid was the first Android phone, mainly do to the popularity of it. And this is the first time I ever heard about the advertizing for it.

When you think about it.....the marketing for the G1 was accurate. Seeing as how open source, Linux never really took off on desktop OS's. I was hoping to see it getting more popular with all the success Android is having.

posted on 07 Oct 2012, 00:47

134. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2720; Member since: 26 May 2011)

All I see is that the G1 was "the first", which is exactly my point. First gen products by Google don't get graded as hard as those by Apple. Siri was a first gen product last year, and what did we hear from anti-Apple people? That it was a complete failure, regardless of the good things it could do.

Who cares if Apple has made iOS apps before? That doesn't make any difference. It's not like making iTunes prepared Apple for mapping the entire world. iMaps isn't an app that crashes, or runs badly. It's the data inside that sucks, because Apple has never done this before.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 17:58 1

108. ltdan1790 (Posts: 1; Member since: 06 Oct 2012)

Google Maps is a complete software that has been tried and tested millions of times. No one had a problem with it but Apple. When all of these pointless lawsuit get thrown around and it becomes a mud fight between companies thats were Apple is at fault. They took it out because they dont want Google or anyone to get any of their glory. Its all about making the other team look bad and Apples been doing that since day one. Always saying they are the best and most advanced but They dont have to try very because they dont worry about inovation for their products. Its all the same except for small differences here and there. When a company like Samsung does something right and makes a product more advanced they try to play dirty by sueing them. Thats why I lost my love for apple. Its not even about the more advanced device any more, its just about the name..

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 18:14 9

109. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

I think you came close to, but ultimately missed a valid point about the difference between the two. You got really close to it when talking about superlatives and fan expectations but didnt quite hit it.

There is a big difference between expectations from the main customer base for Goog and Apple. The Apple base pays a massive premium on their products and expects them to be fully matured at launch (even if that is not as true as they would like to think). Apple is known for taking something and churning and churning it until its super smooth and homogeneous and no releases until it is. The fans are drawn by the "it just works", "its magical", and "it may not have 2000 features, but the XX features it has work perfectly" type of thinking. Apple users dont mind waiting for a feature as long as it "just works". That is what they have been trained by Apple to expect.
Google's crowd on the other hand is very familiar with Goog's propensity to go "hey, we had a neat idea for something.. here's an App that's still rough around the edges, but see what you think users" as they slap the "beta" tag on it and crowd source it for reactions, ideas, and then update it with fixes and even more "rough idea options" than before. Goog's fan base is accustomed to that. They love having new features at a very constant pace, even if things dont always go as planned. That is the driving force between 2 fanboys yelling back n forth about "lack of features and innovation vs lack of polish and stability".

With that in mind, that mindset of each's base is what drives the comments about Apple Maps. Basically Apple is starting to act more like Google (tossing incomplete/imperfect apps with hopes that crowd sourcing will improve it) while still trying to maintain that Apple air of supposed "superiority". They fell flat on their face, and they got called on it.

Had Cook come out and said "This is Apple Maps. I'm going to be honest, its not perfect. There is just too much information about the world for it to be perfect on the first try. But we are going to listen to our users that use it and make improvements as we go. We want YOU to be part of our development team", or something similar, and none of the massive frenzy of Apple's failure would have happened. Instead he acted like all was normal and said it was the "most powerful maps ever". Cook might as well have held up a sign that said "COME AT ME BRO". He invited the feeding frenzy to the blood in the water with how he announced it.

There is no one to blame but Apple for the current mess. There is no need to ask users to be rational when the original sales pitch was anything but.

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 19:01 5

116. tedkord (Posts: 14151; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)

Now, the more interesting point is, why are Apple releasing non polished betas that don't "just work?"

That answer is really simple. Android, and not only is dominance in market share, but the fact that in 4 short years it has caught up to, and surpassed iOS in many respects.

Apple know, from experience, that their business model can't keep up with the pace set by multiple manufacturers. It happened with the PC, it's already happening with smartphones, it will happen with tablets. They've seen this all before.

That's why the sudden purchase of Siri, and throwing it into the device half baked. They saw the voice commands on Android, knew of Project Majel, and needed a shortcut to market, to maintain the illusion that they were innovating the talking assistant voice command.

My buddy at work came down today to play around with my GS3. He's seriously considering switching. He knows he'll lose his apps and games, but figures he can move his music collection over, and maybe even movies. He told me, "Your phone can do so much more, and the iPhone 5 just isn't enough of an upgrade." And he had the iPhone 4, not even the 4s.

I actually kind if talked him away from switching, just because of the huge investment he has in games and apps (he buys all kinds). I'm not sure what he'll decide.

posted on 07 Oct 2012, 11:27 2

163. remixfa (Posts: 14605; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

Most apps can be had on android for free in the market that are paid on iOS market, so the investment is not always linear.. hell, most of the time its not. Before deciding, he needs to check out the android market for the apps he uses and see if he would be buying them again, or if they are free. He might be pleasantly surprised.

Apple is in a bit of a bind. They have to start producing at a faster rate as they are on the verge of irrelevancy. The only thing keeping them a float is their name. Judging by Android's ever growing market expansion while iOS slowly shrinks, thats not going to hold them for too much longer.

And its fine if they want to release beta's and half baked apps just to get them out and crowd sourced in the name of spurring innovation. But they need to be honest about it. Less "Apple like" about describing them. They are in this mess because they cant stop pretending everything they do is pure platinum. A bit of honesty would have kept the whole fiasco from happening.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 18:16 2

110. Stuntman (Posts: 839; Member since: 01 Aug 2011)

Apple and its fans have always described the iPhone as a device that "just works." The standard that Apple is judged is based partly on this well known saying. When Apple releases a product that does not meet this high expectation, you can expect such harsh criticism.

The Android G1 did not have a history of a line of products that set the same high standards that the iPhone 5, iOS6 and iMap had. Also, there was no G0 that had some good features where the G1 was considered a downgrade. If the G1 had some issues, there was no expectation that it was going to be flawless anyway.

If the next Nexus device removed Google Maps and something as poor as iMap replaced it, Google would get the same amount of criticism as Apple is getting now.

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 18:29

111. Droiddoes (unregistered)

Hm, praising apple and slamming Android/Google. Came in expecting a typically BIASED micheal h article, was not dissapointed.
How does this "journalist" keep getting work?

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 18:37

115. paulyyd (Posts: 339; Member since: 08 Jan 2011)

lol so many fanboys here its ridiculous

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 19:31

117. suneeboy (Posts: 201; Member since: 02 Oct 2012)

Stupid Apple and Android fanboys. Just purchase as use what you enjoy, who cares which is "better", you make not a red cent off of either of them, you're just a consumer. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Why complain on the internet under an anonymous identity?

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 20:24

120. someones4 (Posts: 625; Member since: 16 Sep 2012)

haha... they said "unbelievable prices"

posted on 06 Oct 2012, 20:27 6

121. someones4 (Posts: 625; Member since: 16 Sep 2012)

owhh.. i didn't notice everyone bashing michael until now. It's kind of unfair that you guys rail him for writing an unbiased opinion. You can't honestly expect him to write about android all the time. If apple screws up, he'll write about it. If apple is patching up their screw-up, he'll write about it.
No big deal

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