Here's how an iPhone 7 Pro optical zoom would work (Apple patent)

Way back in 2005, when the tiny Konica Minolta DiMAGE Xg point-and-shoot was all the rage (we know as we had one), it featured optical zoom in an impossibly compact body with no protruding lens. How did the camera maker do it? Well, it employed a periscope-style system that was housed inside the camera, and an ingenious kit of refraction lenses brought light to the sensor all the while the so-called "folded optics" were moving up and down the camera's body to achieve the equivalent of 3x optical zoom in a totally flat and pocketable camera chassis...
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1. MrHate

Posts: 317; Member since: Feb 09, 2015

Android had this 20 years ago. Welcome to the 21th century Apple.

3. ibend

Posts: 6747; Member since: Sep 30, 2014

yeah right.... wait, what? 20 years ago is 21th century?

7. MrHate

Posts: 317; Member since: Feb 09, 2015

I'm just a brainless hater. Don't mind me.

13. BradyCrack

Posts: 835; Member since: Dec 29, 2015

Yeah brainless haters are so stupid.

15. 2.5GHz

Posts: 270; Member since: Apr 03, 2016

MrHate, You describe yourself as a "brainless hater". People like you make the Android community look retarded... Just stop.

27. MrHate

Posts: 317; Member since: Feb 09, 2015

I'm just trying to represent the average Android sheep here on PhoneArena. I think I'm doing a pretty good job if I say so myself.

28. aegislash

Posts: 1465; Member since: Jan 27, 2015

99.9% sure his original comment was sarcasm. And very much accurate sarcasm, at that.

31. sgtdisturbed47

Posts: 965; Member since: Feb 02, 2012

Plus it's a huge waste of time to post ridiculous comments just for sake of entertainment. As for the article, if Apple decides to do dual cameras, might as well have it provide something the others haven't yet. Optical zoom is extremely useful, since digital zoom destroys image quality.

8. MSi_Cubi unregistered

Problem is when something releases in android nobody cheering up .. but as soon as something releases on apple crap everybody celebrates.. Ppl are stupid unfortunately

10. MrHate

Posts: 317; Member since: Feb 09, 2015

But on the bright sight every other phone in 2017/18 will also implement that future because Apple did it = better for everyone

34. MSi_Cubi unregistered

better pche.. such looser step .. even child can speculate do things better when base the main idea is founded discovered.. Aplle ar bunch of loosers doing ''better'' from who invented orginal.. in apple is nothing original..

29. nctx77

Posts: 2540; Member since: Sep 03, 2013

Android is software and it wasn't around 20 years ago. Exactly how is this even possible?

2. ibend

Posts: 6747; Member since: Sep 30, 2014

it work just like the one inside zenfone zoom.. innovation...

5. deewinc

Posts: 455; Member since: Feb 21, 2013

Exactly. copied from Zenfone Zoom

4. deewinc

Posts: 455; Member since: Feb 21, 2013

Copying Asus's concept, but utilizing different types of lenses and not prisms.

36. kent-gaga

Posts: 609; Member since: Apr 10, 2012

Sony' been using this kind of camera setup on many of their old cybershot camera so this is nothing actually new

6. aznhachi

Posts: 212; Member since: Apr 12, 2016

ggwp , apple

11. BradyCrack

Posts: 835; Member since: Dec 29, 2015

Ok, optical zoom is cool, nothing new, but good. This is quite out of subject, but I'm annoyed that we have to wait until 2017 to get features most samsung phones have. Wireless charging? Got that. OLED display? Got that. Curved display? Got that. Apple introduces something cool and unique every two years in the "s" series that most other companies haven't wrapped their heads around. Yet they can't add stuff that everyone else has? Jeez Apple where's quick-charge? I'd rather that then a pressure-sensitive display

30. nctx77

Posts: 2540; Member since: Sep 03, 2013

The wireless charging is long range so it's different. As for the curved display, let's see how Apple implement it first, but I'll give you that. Also, there are tumors that the home button will be embedded in the screen. Combine that with this new camera tech and a new design possibly all glass, they will have a winner.

14. Arch_Fiend

Posts: 3948; Member since: Oct 03, 2015

Apple really doesn't deal in half assed features, just saying.

17. BradyCrack

Posts: 835; Member since: Dec 29, 2015

They don't, but quick charging, OLED screens and wireless charging have been in their prime for a few years. I'm not hating one Apple, Like I still wonder for the lack of innovation in the S6 and S7 yet are alway over praised.

22. MrElectrifyer

Posts: 3960; Member since: Oct 21, 2014

So you're saying, the following are complete features? - Bluetooth that can't send nor receive files from a wide range of devices? - NFC that can't utilize NFC tags, additional buttons, and data transfer? - Maps that direct you off a bridge? Or what exactly is your definition of half-assed?

26. Arch_Fiend

Posts: 3948; Member since: Oct 03, 2015

Nope, just saying that Apple comes up with a lot of great features, for example, fingerprint scanner, and 3D touch. I know they didn't create the tech behind such features but those features belong to the iPhone 5s and 6s and set them apart from other phones when they launched. Apple's take on dual cameras seems like it could be one such feature. Apple has a lot of work to do on the features that they don't see as super important. Like you mentioned, Apple's map,nfc, and bluetooth capabilities on the iPhone are severely lacking compared to Android. And as brady mentioned the iPhone needs quick charging and wireless charging as well.

16. pureviewuser

Posts: 501; Member since: Nov 11, 2012

Love my Nokia 808

18. Macready

Posts: 1813; Member since: Dec 08, 2014

Correction, the Minolta Dimage X (2002) was the first to employ such folded optics, Sony followed in 2003 with the T1 (and following Tx models). The issue with phones is the thickness (or lack of...) of the device, which limits both the size (width) of the sensor and the size of the physical aperture. Both in turn limiting the low light and dynamic range capabilities.

19. aelliott

Posts: 32; Member since: Oct 01, 2010

"...then gets refracted by the mirror element towards the secondary lens elements..." Surely a mirror reflects - a lens refracts!

24. ibend

Posts: 6747; Member since: Sep 30, 2014

no.. its the magical apple's mirror.. the light will refract whenever apple want it

20. Macready

Posts: 1813; Member since: Dec 08, 2014

Oh and the Apple patent that describes the prism or mirror (to establish the folded optics) doubling as a stabilizer (by moving/tilting), is a total rip off from an existing Rouvinen/Kauhanen (Nokia) 2006 patent. Apple patent and explanation: 2006 Rouvinen/Kauhanen (Nokia) patent:

25. ibend

Posts: 6747; Member since: Sep 30, 2014

thats the power of USPTO.. apple can patent whatever they want, even if they didnt know how to built one.. or even if other company already make similar feature based on other patent, they still can sue them later

21. AlikMalix unregistered

Once again the case of where everyone looks at pictures and not the actual patent!!! The patent is mostly for manufacturing process of such a small component with a few changes to the lens and design. Apple isn't patenting the folded optics - that has been around since the 70's just not in that size and for fitting into space specifically. I'm more worried of the mirrors as they're typically the number one cause of losing light - hopefully Apple will figure it out. Also how do you fit the sensor now that it has to fit in the phone within its width?
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